Historical Novels of Faerun....

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#1

Caolin

May 24, 2009 15:00:32
So the purpose of this thread is to draw possible attention to the desire for WoTC to produce an FR novel line that is completely set in Faerun's past. This was done in before with the Netheril trilogy which I really loved.

I'm not assuming that everyone out there wants this, so I am posing theese questions:

Do you want to see novels set in Faerun's past?

What time in history would you like to see and what part of the world would it be set?

I personally would like to read stories based in Jhaamdath or maybe some ancient stories before the Sundering. Either way I would eat up any novel based in Faerun's past.

Let's discuss.
#2

markustay63

May 24, 2009 18:31:59
We've done this before.

A Crown Wars trilogy (with a novel focused on each of the main players)
An Imaskari trilogy (one for each 'Age')
A Mulhorand-Unther War trilogy (starting where that last trilogy left-off)
A Lands of Intrigue trilogy (one novel for each land)

One shots for other countries, like Dambrath, Luiren, and Impiltur.
#3

Caolin

May 24, 2009 22:33:28
We've done this before.

A Crown Wars trilogy (with a novel focused on each of the main players)
An Imaskari trilogy (one for each 'Age')
A Mulhorand-Unther War trilogy (starting where that last trilogy left-off)
A Lands of Intrigue trilogy (one novel for each land)

One shots for other countries, like Dambrath, Luiren, and Impiltur.

My bad, I don't make a habit of digging through the history of this board so I wouldn't know that this was already covered.
#4

markustay63

May 24, 2009 23:08:57
No problem... its worth doing again. Maybe they'll actually listen to us this time...
#5

nightseer

May 25, 2009 0:10:32
Sure I would love some "Old School" Realmslore. Will we get it? No, they want to produce a dumbed down, core compatible setting to sell their new shiny books. Ed Greenwood and a few others are the only saving grace the Forgotten Realms has going for it now.
#6

JudgeDookie

May 25, 2009 1:02:33
I would personally like a series concerning the Creator Races and the uprising/overthrow of the races we have today. History there is extremely sparse, pretty much anything could take place, and who doesn't like to see the underdogs (who we all love so much more than the lizards) triumph?

Done right, it could be a very cool thing.

I do state though, that with everything in the past, there must be a good tie to the present. So it might actually work best if incorporating a fundamental of 4e in with it.

Hmmm...I may just volunteer for that gig.
#7

Zireael

May 25, 2009 10:31:27
We've done this before.

A Crown Wars trilogy (with a novel focused on each of the main players)
An Imaskari trilogy (one for each 'Age')
A Mulhorand-Unther War trilogy (starting where that last trilogy left-off)
A Lands of Intrigue trilogy (one novel for each land)

One shots for other countries, like Dambrath, Luiren, and Impiltur.

That's a really good idea. Crown Wars and Dambrath...:D
#8

markustay63

May 25, 2009 10:54:14
Well, for the Crown Wars, I was thinking the first novel would be about the Rise of the Aryvandar, the second about the Revenge of the Ilythiir, and the third about The Plight of Keltormir, so we can see the entire war(s) from each side's point-of-view. All the major events should be covered by the series, and it should end with the Descent of the Drow (perhaps leading into yet-another trilogy).

Ideally, they should be written by Elaine Cunningham, Ed Greenwood, and Steven Schend (in that order).

In fact, each 'historic' series could be done the same way; for instance, books about Mulhorand, Unther, and Chessenta in the Old Empires trilogy

I would personally like a series concerning the Creator Races and the uprising/overthrow of the races we have today. History there is extremely sparse, pretty much anything could take place, and who doesn't like to see the underdogs (who we all love so much more than the lizards) triumph?

Done right, it could be a very cool thing.

Just go to see Land of the Lost and pretend the Sleestak are Sarrukh... its all good. :D

In fact, Enik the Altrusian = The Terraseer. :P
#9

Caolin

May 25, 2009 11:37:48
Maybe WoTC will continue to feed us short stories through the website like they have recently been doing. This would be a good place to write stories based in Faerun's past. I would still like to see a full blown novel series, but short stories would be a good start.
#10

keveras

May 26, 2009 5:36:22
Well, for the Crown Wars, I was thinking the first novel would be about the Rise of the Aryvandar, the second about the Revenge of the Ilythiir, and the third about The Plight of Keltormir, so we can see the entire war(s) from each side's point-of-view. All the major events should be covered by the series, and it should end with the Descent of the Drow (perhaps leading into yet-another trilogy).

I second this, although they should make sure to include most of the main personalities, like Coronal Ynloeth or Tethir the Dragon-Slayer.

In fact, each 'historic' series could be done the same way; for instance, books about Mulhorand, Unther, and Chessenta in the Old Empires trilogy

Again, seconded. And again featuring a few cool Old Empire characters like Shuruppak or Hamsetis.
#11

lord_karsus

May 26, 2009 10:17:01
Do you want to see novels set in Faerun's past?

-Yes, and no. The yes part is easy, and obvious. The no part is a bit more complicated, and for two reasons.

-The first, and easier of the two, is that I don't want to see WotC butcher an era/region that I like. Anything written at this point is going to be written with the 4e Forgotten Realms in mind. I don't want to see parts of history altered/changed/used in a way to drive a 4e Forgotten Realms idea/story/whatever else. For example, I don't want to see (to borrow MTs oft-used theory) a story about the Sundering, whose main goal is to explain and validate information about "Abeir", altering/adding to established, pre-4e Forgotten Realms information to do so.

-The second reason is because highlighting information on certain people/places/things takes away the mystique and allure of certain places. Aryvandaar, for example, a very important and powerful Elven nation, that had a massive impact on the world. Despite all of that, we know virtually nothing about it. Same thing with Ilythiir, or Miyeritar, or plenty of other nations. I like the notion that, with old things like the Crown Wars, it happened so long ago, and has been so thoroughly "hidden", as not to have to think about it, that there simply isn't any information about it, allowing us our imaginations to make whatever of it that we want.

What time in history would you like to see and what part of the world would it be set?

-Anywhere, really.
#12

Zireael

May 26, 2009 10:45:51
I second this, although they should make sure to include most of the main personalities, like Coronal Ynloeth or Tethir the Dragon-Slayer.

Tethir is not from the Crown Wars.
As for the titles and writers, I second it too.
#13

Astromath

May 26, 2009 11:09:33
I would like to see novels based in the world of Abeir.
#14

zsych

May 26, 2009 11:21:31
I'd like to see a less lame redoing of the Netheril novels. I was seriously just shocked that novels about Netheril wasted their time on half-elves and shamans and what not that weren't really part of Netheril, instead of actual Netheril. They were also seriously suffering from the 'power automatically drives people mad and only losers can be worthwhile people' mentality.

I'd prefer to see Ioulaum's rise, and how he led his people to prosperity. As I've said before.. with a guy like Ioulaum, you would know that he was going to actually achieve great things, rather than accidentally defeat some great evil that he has no real reason to be able to defeat.

I'd like to see a decently done version of the war with the Phaerimm. Not some random idiocy like 'yeah, nobody but Karsus knows what's happening, our lands are dying for no good reason', as it was in the Netheril novels.
#15

lord_karsus

May 26, 2009 11:34:18
I'd like to see a less lame redoing of the Netheril novels. I was seriously just shocked that novels about Netheril wasted their time on half-elves and shamans and what not that weren't really part of Netheril, instead of actual Netheril. They were also seriously suffering from the 'power automatically drives people mad and only losers can be worthwhile people' mentality.

-That's something that happens a lot. The novel Bladesinger, for example, took place in Rashemen, and featured as a protagonist a Half-Elf bladesinger.

-My opinion on that is similar to yours: If you're going to use the limited space of a novel to divulge information on something, do it right. Use that room in the best possible way. Kiril Duskmourn, the Star Elf in Bruce Cordell's novels, I dislike for the same reason.
#16

quale1

May 26, 2009 14:21:12
I'd like to see, in this order

Jhaamdath, set in their ''Golden Age'' or during the conflicts with Calimshan

An Imaskari planar novel

A novel about Aryselmalyr or some of the Seros Wars, involving the Dukars and the Batrachi ruins

A novel involving the B'aetith

A novel about the Talfir people

Raumathari novel

Netheril's Age of Discovery novel

A novel from human perspective during the Creator Races days or about the pre-Sundering civilization in the far North

Imperial Shoon novel, lots of politics and intrigue

The founding of Mezro, the fall of Northkeep, titans, Red Wizard rebellion etc.
#17

Caolin

May 26, 2009 15:38:19
I'd like to see a less lame redoing of the Netheril novels. I was seriously just shocked that novels about Netheril wasted their time on half-elves and shamans and what not that weren't really part of Netheril, instead of actual Netheril. They were also seriously suffering from the 'power automatically drives people mad and only losers can be worthwhile people' mentality.

I'd prefer to see Ioulaum's rise, and how he led his people to prosperity. As I've said before.. with a guy like Ioulaum, you would know that he was going to actually achieve great things, rather than accidentally defeat some great evil that he has no real reason to be able to defeat.

I'd like to see a decently done version of the war with the Phaerimm. Not some random idiocy like 'yeah, nobody but Karsus knows what's happening, our lands are dying for no good reason', as it was in the Netheril novels.

I dunno, I really liked the Netheril novels. But I enjoy reading stories where you see ordinary people in extra-ordinary times. I really don't want a novel that is about the Crown Wars or the Sundering. I want a story set in the time of the Crown Wars or the Sundering.

I would find it interesting to have some generic story like "Minor local lord abuses his subjects, minor local hero rises up to defeat him" and put that story during this time period where the world is in upheaval. Or maybe focus on a group of adventurers who get caught up in one of these historical events. Did they even have adventurers 10000 years ago? That would be interesting. What dungeons would adventurers be delving eons ago?

So we can have our historical stories but they don't have to be stories like the Time of Troubles which are actually "about" the historical event. But I understand the concern that Lord K brings up about WoTC mucking about in Faerun's past. If they were just confined to novels then I wouldn't worry so much. But if they tried to 4Eize the past.....ugh.
#18

Zireael

May 27, 2009 9:32:09
I had another idea: what about a novel set in the times of Myth Drannor featuring Aravae Irithyl and Josidiah Starym?
#19

keveras

May 27, 2009 11:37:02
Tethir is not from the Crown Wars.
As for the titles and writers, I second it too.

Doesn't matter. Tethir slaying the dragons could be used as kind of an introduction, or whatever.
#20

JudgeDookie

May 29, 2009 21:52:18
Just go to see Land of the Lost and pretend the Sleestak are Sarrukh... its all good. :D

In fact, Enik the Altrusian = The Terraseer. :P

Well, it is out on DVD now, so maybe.....

Netheril's Age of Discovery novel

A novel from human perspective during the Creator Races days or about the pre-Sundering civilization in the far North

Yup.
#21

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

May 29, 2009 22:39:47
-The first, and easier of the two, is that I don't want to see WotC butcher an era/region that I like. Anything written at this point is going to be written with the 4e Forgotten Realms in mind. I don't want to see parts of history altered/changed/used in a way to drive a 4e Forgotten Realms idea/story/whatever else. For example, I don't want to see (to borrow MTs oft-used theory) a story about the Sundering, whose main goal is to explain and validate information about "Abeir", altering/adding to established, pre-4e Forgotten Realms information to do so.

That's a great point. I wouldn't be too pleased about novels written with that type of agenda in mind.