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#1 atras Jan 06, 2010 12:40:01	In the core setting, Tieflings and Dragonborn are decendants of their ruined nations from years of escalating battle.  In the Realms, Dragonborn came from Aebir, now free from their dragonic overlords.  Tieflings are..... I'm not sure.  Do the Realms Tieflings come from Aebir, where they had a long history of war with the Dragonborn?
#2 LordManshoon Jan 06, 2010 13:12:28	In the core setting, Tieflings and Dragonborn are decendants of their ruined nations from years of escalating battle.  In the Realms, Dragonborn came from Aebir, now free from their dragonic overlords.  Tieflings are..... I'm not sure.  Do the Realms Tieflings come from Aebir, where they had a long history of war with the Dragonborn? There were Tieflings in the Realms prior to Abeir's return, the mixed-blood spawn of infernal and mortal coupling. They were relatively few in number (compared to other races), but they existed. It's possible more Tieflings arrived during the merging of worlds, but I don't know if that's ever been stated (although given the fact that Tieflings are apparently more common than they were a century ago, I don't think it's a stretch to say that RA brought plenty more). The Realms Tieflings (and here I use the term to refer to all Tieflings in 1479 DR, not the Tieflings that originated on Toril), to my knowledge, have no conflict, or a history of such, with any other particular people. They aren't the direct descendants of a once-grand, fallen empire. Tieflings popped up all over the land, but were I to look for a specific region with a greater number of Tieflings than on average, I imagine Narfell would fit the bill. It's a wild land (formerly a powerful empire in ages long gone) in the far north whose native people, though superstitious and observant of strict taboo, had a long-standing history of occassionally associating with dark powers and dabbling in foul magics, though it was only in the past century or so that such practices began to (noticeably) return.
#3 gomeztoo Jan 06, 2010 13:37:22	The tiefling I play comes for Narfell (in fact, she was originally a Creel, born in Narfell before the Conflagaration, but that is a long story). I imagine that Narfell would fit the bill for any powers or Paragon paths that would refer to the old tielfing empire. I.e., I plan to take the tiefling racial Paragon path, Turathi Highborn, and rename it Nar Highborn. According to the Player's guide, tiefling also have a presence in High Imaskar and Tymather, and the text implies that they were once prevalent (or maybe even originated) in Thay, Mulhorand, and Unther, so those could also be called homelands.
#4 yakman Jan 06, 2010 13:56:53	The tiefling I play comes for Narfell (in fact, she was originally a Creel, born in Narfell before the Conflagaration, but that is a long story). I imagine that Narfell would fit the bill for any powers or Paragon paths that would refer to the old tielfing empire. I.e., I plan to take the tiefling racial Paragon path, Turathi Highborn, and rename it Nar Highborn. According to the Player's guide, tiefling also have a presence in High Imaskar and Tymather, and the text implies that they were once prevalent (or maybe even originated) in Thay, Mulhorand, and Unther, so those could also be called homelands. the long association with living deities in Mulhorond (which included Thay) and Unther also led to a number of Tieflings and Aasimars being present in those countries. Old Thay (post-Mulhorond, pre-Szass Tam kiling everyone) also had a lot of fiendish trafficking that led to a good number of Tieflings in that country as well.
#5 18DELTA Jan 06, 2010 14:10:58	Atras do you have access to Lost Empires of Faerun, or Unaproachable East?
#6 atras Jan 06, 2010 15:42:00	They were once prevalent (or maybe even originated) in Thay, Mulhorand, and Unther, so those could also be called homelands. the long association with living deities in Mulhorond (which included Thay) and Unther also led to a number of Tieflings and Aasimars being present in those countries. Old Thay (post-Mulhorond, pre-Szass Tam kiling everyone) also had a lot of fiendish trafficking that led to a good number of Tieflings in that country as well.  So if they were from Mulhorand and Unther, the Tymanther situation could set up some deep seeded animosity. Atras do you have access to Lost Empires of Faerun, or Unaproachable East? No.  I only got into D&D recently, after being slightly into it back in THAC0 days.  I take it that is the place to go for old-school Tiefling info? My Tiefling in LFR is from Akanul, and is hoping for a way to reclaim her family's former glory - they supposedly were royalty in the "old world".  She distrusts Tymanther, Cormyr and Dragonborn, but I wanted to make sure it made sense in the Realms.
#7 yakman Jan 06, 2010 16:19:50	They were once prevalent (or maybe even originated) in Thay, Mulhorand, and Unther, so those could also be called homelands. the long association with living deities in Mulhorond (which included Thay) and Unther also led to a number of Tieflings and Aasimars being present in those countries. Old Thay (post-Mulhorond, pre-Szass Tam kiling everyone) also had a lot of fiendish trafficking that led to a good number of Tieflings in that country as well.  So if they were from Mulhorand and Unther, the Tymanther situation could set up some deep seeded animosity. Atras do you have access to Lost Empires of Faerun, or Unaproachable East? No.  I only got into D&D recently, after being slightly into it back in THAC0 days.  I take it that is the place to go for old-school Tiefling info? My Tiefling in LFR is from Akanul, and is hoping for a way to reclaim her family's former glory - they supposedly were royalty in the "old world".  She distrusts Tymanther, Cormyr and Dragonborn, but I wanted to make sure it made sense in the Realms. well, the destruction of Unther and Mulhorond by Tymanther probably doesn't anger tieflings from the Realms too much for a couple of reasons: 1 - it wasn't the Dragonborn's fault--they are victims of the situation too. 2 - the Tieflings who were from Unther and Mulhorond are over in Abeir--they got shifted along with the rest of those countries, so most Realms Tieflings are not from those countries or had left before the Spellplague hit 3 - the Tieflings who were from Unther and Mulhorond probably wouldn't care too much anyways due to the religious situations in those countries at the time of the Spellplague.  Set, the evil god in Mulhorond was essentially exiled/destroyed/deity non grata.  In Unther, all their gods were dead, save for the Big Bad, Tiamat, and she was probably not the source of any Tieflings, being that she was always more Draconic than Fiendish. However, if you want to make your Tiefling, who is from Abeir anyways, hate the Dragonborn, who are from Abeir anyways, it's pretty easy to imagine some feud over there that caused the anger.
#8 atras Jan 06, 2010 16:50:06	Yeah.  I think I might just drop the whole racial animosity thing, anyway.  It is just likely to make my character seem like a pain.   I'll keep the nation stuff, though, it seems to work in the Player's Guide.
#9 gomeztoo Jan 07, 2010 1:46:11	Tymanther is very accepting to the tieflings, so in generally, at least there does not seem to be any animosity from the dragonborn. Ofcourse (individual) tieflings may consider this differently, even when it is 100 years later. Note that teh dragonborn's hatre dof dragons migth actually work for tielfings, at least the families that didn' t side with Tiamat in the old days.
#10 Matt_James Jan 11, 2010 14:50:43	Keep in mind that the mortals of Faerun may not be aware of the reasons why the Spellplague happened or why new continents appeared with old ones going the way of the dodo bird.  There are plenty of reasons for their to be animosity should you choose to have it.  As for Tymanther accepting Tieflings, I'm not aware of the reference as I can't find it in anything.  The same goes for this relationship- you can make of it what you will.
#11 DoctorBadWolf Jan 12, 2010 1:49:41	some things that might be useful. from the FRCG page 19: "Description and Homelands Tief lings are widely dispersed throughout Faerûn. In the east, tief lings are common in Narfell and southern High Imaskar. In Tymanther, the dragonborn accept their presence openly. Many of these eastern tieflings have continued to practice the fell traditions of their former homes of Unther and Mulhorand. The tiefings in the west have become an integral part of Calimshan’s ongoing war. Memnon’s faction eagerly absorbs any migrant tief lings whom it can put to military use. Not all tieflings choose this path, however, and many live in the west and north, along the Sword Coast, the Dragon Coast, and in the environs of Baldur’s Gate....  Even Aglarond, an enemy of Thay, begrudgingly tolerates tief lings. Tief lings, who comprised much of Thay’s population, now work in service to Aglarond, defending against the undead that overwhelmed Thay and made them refugees. Regardless of location, though, tief lings face the traditional prejudices associated with their race. Although assumptions of the race’s evil nature have lessened in recent decades, these attitudes nonetheless persist."
#12 gomeztoo Jan 12, 2010 2:56:38	As for Tymanther accepting Tieflings, I'm not aware of the reference as I can't find it in anything. It was in the section on tieflings in the Player's Guide, iirc.