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#1
shades_of_eternity
Oct 05, 2008 17:44:23 did she absorb mystra's energy when selune killed her (seeing as it was her sacrifice that created the weave?)

when elistree died, did her energy return to the moon?

or is it something similar?
#2
Therise
Oct 05, 2008 17:53:32
did she absorb mystra's energy when selune killed her (seeing as it was her sacrifice that created the weave?)

when elistree died, did her energy return to the moon?

or is it something similar?

Selune did not kill Mystra. Cyric killed Mystra, and the energies from this destroyed her home plane and caused the Spellplague. Shar prevented the rise of a new deity of magic. Shar re-absorbed her portion of Mystra's energy, and Selune re-absorbed her portion of Mystra's energy.

Corellon took Eilistraee's essence into himself when she "died," and presumably brought her followers into his fold. Considering that Eilistraee's plane didn't discorporate, and she herself merely vanished rather than being killed, it is entirely possible that she may return someday.
#3
lord_karsus
Oct 06, 2008 11:23:51 -However you want. Nothing is mentioned on how she did it. My favorite theory is that, being the moon deity, she goes through phases, like the moon. Currently, she is in her "Full Moon" stage, making her a Greater Deity. At times in the past, she was in her "Waxing/Waning" phase, making her an Intermediate Deity, or in her "New Moon" stage, making her a Lesser Deity.
#4
keveras
Oct 06, 2008 11:28:17 In 2e Selune was already a Greater Deity.
#5
christopher_rowe
Oct 06, 2008 11:43:01
In 2e Selune was already a Greater Deity.

And back in Gray Box days she was a "Lesser Power." Sounds like there's a lot of support for Lord Karsus' intriguing "phases" theory.
#6
vendar
Oct 06, 2008 11:57:29 Re: how did selune become a greater god?

She did really cool things?
#7
keveras
Oct 06, 2008 12:04:36
And back in Gray Box days she was a "Lesser Power." Sounds like there's a lot of support for Lord Karsus' intriguing "phases" theory.

Hmm, ok.
Nonetheless it's far more plausible that one of the two oldest deities in Realmspace is a Greater Deity than a lesser. Anyway, since she's closely associated with the moon LK's theory is very plausible, too.
#8
bleach
Oct 06, 2008 12:29:26 Er, Lord K's theory is actually the same thing that was written in Selune's writeup in 2E Faiths & Avatars.....

I always assumed people knew that?
#9
christopher_rowe
Oct 06, 2008 12:37:36
Er, Lord K's theory is actually the same thing that was written in Selune's writeup in 2E Faiths & Avatars.....

I always assumed people knew that?

Cool, cool. I didn't know it--but then I just bought that book a week or two ago when I made the unfortunate (for my bank account) discovery of the Paizo .pdf downloads of older Realms material (and yeah, I know about the free stuff at wizards.com and haven't mistakenly ordered something free--yet).

Anyway, I see that she's listed there as "Intermediate," so more fuel for the moonlit fire. And of course, Lord Karsus probably either developed his theory independently (if he's not much like me) or read it a hundred years ago, mostly forgot about it, then "came up with it" from faulty memory (if he is anything like me). Nobody's fighting for a share of a Nobel or anything. :D
#10
keveras
Oct 06, 2008 12:39:33
Er, Lord K's theory is actually the same thing that was written in Selune's writeup in 2E Faiths & Avatars.....

I always assumed people knew that?

And thus he said 'My favourite theory is...' and not 'My theory is...' ;)
#11
orc_kirin
Oct 06, 2008 13:58:07 I've removed content from this thread because forums disruption is a violation of the Code of Conduct. You can review the Code of Conduct here: http://forums.gleemax.com/community_coc.php

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#12
lord_karsus
Oct 06, 2008 14:02:47
And thus he said 'My favourite theory is...' and not 'My theory is...' ;)

-Right. Second edition sources aren't omniscient, so anything they say are simply hypothesizes.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 shades_of_eternity Oct 05, 2008 17:44:23	did she absorb mystra's energy when selune killed her (seeing as it was her sacrifice that created the weave?) when elistree died, did her energy return to the moon? or is it something similar?
#2 Therise Oct 05, 2008 17:53:32	did she absorb mystra's energy when selune killed her (seeing as it was her sacrifice that created the weave?) when elistree died, did her energy return to the moon? or is it something similar? Selune did not kill Mystra. Cyric killed Mystra, and the energies from this destroyed her home plane and caused the Spellplague. Shar prevented the rise of a new deity of magic. Shar re-absorbed her portion of Mystra's energy, and Selune re-absorbed her portion of Mystra's energy. Corellon took Eilistraee's essence into himself when she "died," and presumably brought her followers into his fold. Considering that Eilistraee's plane didn't discorporate, and she herself merely vanished rather than being killed, it is entirely possible that she may return someday.
#3 lord_karsus Oct 06, 2008 11:23:51	-However you want. Nothing is mentioned on how she did it. My favorite theory is that, being the moon deity, she goes through phases, like the moon. Currently, she is in her "Full Moon" stage, making her a Greater Deity. At times in the past, she was in her "Waxing/Waning" phase, making her an Intermediate Deity, or in her "New Moon" stage, making her a Lesser Deity.
#4 keveras Oct 06, 2008 11:28:17	In 2e Selune was already a Greater Deity.
#5 christopher_rowe Oct 06, 2008 11:43:01	In 2e Selune was already a Greater Deity. And back in Gray Box days she was a "Lesser Power." Sounds like there's a lot of support for Lord Karsus' intriguing "phases" theory.
#6 vendar Oct 06, 2008 11:57:29	Re: how did selune become a greater god? She did really cool things?
#7 keveras Oct 06, 2008 12:04:36	And back in Gray Box days she was a "Lesser Power." Sounds like there's a lot of support for Lord Karsus' intriguing "phases" theory. Hmm, ok. Nonetheless it's far more plausible that one of the two oldest deities in Realmspace is a Greater Deity than a lesser. Anyway, since she's closely associated with the moon LK's theory is very plausible, too.
#8 bleach Oct 06, 2008 12:29:26	Er, Lord K's theory is actually the same thing that was written in Selune's writeup in 2E Faiths & Avatars..... I always assumed people knew that?
#9 christopher_rowe Oct 06, 2008 12:37:36	Er, Lord K's theory is actually the same thing that was written in Selune's writeup in 2E Faiths & Avatars..... I always assumed people knew that? Cool, cool. I didn't know it--but then I just bought that book a week or two ago when I made the unfortunate (for my bank account) discovery of the Paizo .pdf downloads of older Realms material (and yeah, I know about the free stuff at wizards.com and haven't mistakenly ordered something free--yet). Anyway, I see that she's listed there as "Intermediate," so more fuel for the moonlit fire. And of course, Lord Karsus probably either developed his theory independently (if he's not much like me) or read it a hundred years ago, mostly forgot about it, then "came up with it" from faulty memory (if he is anything like me). Nobody's fighting for a share of a Nobel or anything. :D
#10 keveras Oct 06, 2008 12:39:33	Er, Lord K's theory is actually the same thing that was written in Selune's writeup in 2E Faiths & Avatars..... I always assumed people knew that? And thus he said 'My favourite theory is...' and not 'My theory is...' ;)
#11 orc_kirin Oct 06, 2008 13:58:07	I've removed content from this thread because forums disruption is a violation of the Code of Conduct. You can review the Code of Conduct here: http://forums.gleemax.com/community_coc.php Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
#12 lord_karsus Oct 06, 2008 14:02:47	And thus he said 'My favourite theory is...' and not 'My theory is...' ;) -Right. Second edition sources aren't omniscient, so anything they say are simply hypothesizes.