Presumably so... not the Weave of course, but magic itself should still be a perfectly viable portfolio. I do seem to recall that nothing official was going to fill that spot though, at least according to Mr. Baker (presuming my memory isn't faulty on that point).
Mr. Baker owns the option to purchase that portfolio at a later date. That's the real reason why he killed off Mystra. I hear he also has loads of platinum pieces hidden in an offshore Sembian bank account. ;)
Mr. Baker owns the option to purchase that portfolio at a later date. That's the real reason why he killed off Mystra. I hear he also has loads of platinum pieces hidden in an offshore Sembian bank account. ;)
30,000 years of realms history and all the sudden the magic portfolio doesn't need to be held by any deities?
Mr. Baker owns the option to purchase that portfolio at a later date. That's the real reason why he killed off Mystra. I hear he also has loads of platinum pieces hidden in an offshore Sembian bank account. ;)
Ummmm... NO... RB had very little to do with the majority of changes - he's not even on the FR team this time out. In fact, from what I gather from what little he has let slip, he has been fighting a losing battle to keep some things intact...
You want to paint a target on someone, place Chris Perkins in your Crosshairs. He's the one that will go down in history as "the man who destroyed FR". Even though others contributed, he was IN CHARGE, and the blame for EVERYTHING falls squarely on HIS shoulders.
Even with the weave destroyed, does the death of Mystra leave the post of deity of magic open? Since magic still exists, doesn't it remain an available portfolio?
It might be an "open" portfolio, but the designers have explicitly stated that there will be no god or goddess of magic for the 4E Realms. Ostensibly, the "reason" given is that Shar is somehow preventing the rise of a new deity of magic, but how she is doing so has not yet been revealed.
Authors wrote the most stories and novels involving Mystra and her Chosen. They did so because she was popular and sold well. That's why she seemed to be the most powerful, because she was the one most often featured. But that's not the fault of DMs, it's the result of popularity and sales. So what do they do, ramp up Cyric (who is just a stupidly conceived deity, come on) and Shar (and face it, nihilism is boring) so that they are even more powerful and well-seen than Mystra. Again, that's the novelists... who are also the designers.
Maybe they should have just lessened up on publishing novels with Mystra and the Chosen, and tried out writing stories that involved some of the other deities. Some of the really interesting ones, like Talos or Malar. Then they could have examined the customer reception of such. But hey, what do I know?
The actual rules printed in 3E affirm what I say. And Mystra and Boccob have a huge difference. Boccob does not have the Weave.
He governs all magic, same thing.
He governs all magic, same thing.
Well by the RAW however horrible it may be, both Boccob and Mystra were statted. Mystra could Deny Weave. Boccob had nothing similar.
Well by the RAW however horrible it may be, both Boccob and Mystra were statted. Mystra could Deny Weave. Boccob had nothing similar.
According to Ao, that is. And an element introduced in 2E but absent from 1E. Again, a designer issue not a DM issue.
Mystra could Deny Weave. Boccob had nothing similar.
-Boccob doesn't have a Weave to deny others access to, to begin with.
I wanna be like Karsus!
:evillaugh-Felt like 'thread crapping' as someone says. All because I am not drinking the WotC 4E Kewl-Aid.
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I wanna be like Karsus!
-Everyone says that...There are ways, you know, that this can be done...
-You got to love it when Eberron Designers are working on the Fourgotten Realms. This post had nothing to do with the topic at hand.
-Felt like 'thread crapping' as someone says. All because I am not drinking the WotC 4E Kewl-Aid.
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-Well, try not to do that anymore, eh?
-Everyone says that...There are ways, you know, that this can be done...
Indeed... the only question is, though, which God or Goddess? Mystra is out, of course. So which deity's divinity would you steal?
What Would Karsus Do?
:D
-Though, since Mystra is dead, the portfolio of 'Magic' is free for the taking, so...
Anyway, she's female, she already has part of the magic portfolio, and she looks great in a skirt. :P
We can just call her Mysis in 4e.
...so it's free for the taking. Of course, attempting to best Karsus at his own game would likely rank only slightly behind 'Getting involved in a land war in Asi- er, Kara-tur'. :D
-I'm also immune to iocaine powder. :P
-I'm also immune to iocaine powder. :P
Inconceivable!!! ;)
-You keep using that word...I do not think it means, what you think it means.
LOL! :D
Honestly the position of a deity of magic and the weave has primarily caused Toril a lot of grief. Why would any god agree to the ascension of a deity that could potentially cut of his link to his followers entirely (strictures provided by AO notwithstanding). I think none of the gods are enthusiastic about someone having control of such a powerful portfolio, and now that the position is open, they will see it remain so forever.
How bout Death, Hate, Love or Greed etc....? Those are at least 4 porfolios that I see more powerful than Magic.
The real power is not the magic, is the emotion behind the magic. Much like when our troops went to Afganistan, BOOM is less than a month we took over.
Now...
-You keep using that word...I do not think it means, what you think it means.
Lord Karsus for The WIN!!!
Course, I could have gone with "Do you want me to put you back where I found you? Unemployed. In Greeeenland!" But that would just be mean.
Larloch for God of Magic, lol.
-He's got nothing on me.
-He's got nothing on me.
Your dead...;)
He's undead.
Your dead...;)
-Correction: I'm pseudodead.
-Correction: I'm pseudodead.
Yes, a small aspect still exists today in the form of a near-powerless fragment of data on the WoTC community forums.:P
Yes, a small aspect still exists today in the form of a near-powerless fragment of data on the WoTC community forums.:P
Ouch
(-I need to thank Therise for showing me that site.)
I just scrubbed all the floors in Hyrule!
-What are you all laughing at?
(-I need to thank Therise for showing me that site.)
What site?
-You know, I can't help but like the title...I was Mystra. Well, Mystryl. ;)
I was wondering, When you were Mystril did you.. um wore dresses?
I was wondering, When you were Mystril did you.. um wore dresses?
He put on women's clothing, and hung around in bars.
In all seriousness though, this thread does bring to mind a more pertinent question... just what exactly would stop a powerful wizard, in 4E, from trying to achieve divinity via the casting of Karsus' Avatar?
Obviously our hypothetical wizard would have to choose a different deity, but that in itself is a potential benefit, as that god/goddess would not possess the inherent ability to stop the wizard by turning off all magic (even at the point of destroying themselves in the process).
I suppose we would just have to rely on the self-restraint of powerful wizards, and willingness to hold off on the pursuit of unfettered power.
He put on women's clothing, and hung around in bars.
Apologies to Karsus for what I'm about to do... Does He Wear a Dress?
*giggle* :D
I was wondering, When you were Mystril did you.. um wore dresses?
-No.
In all seriousness though, this thread does bring to mind a more pertinent question... just what exactly would stop a powerful wizard, in 4E, from trying to achieve divinity via the casting of Karsus' Avatar?
-Well, the research was hidden/destroyed by the agents of Mystra, so any spellcaster trying to do so would have to do the research from scratch. Not that that's too hard, but...
-No.
That's cool, total legit question IMO
AND it can be worst, at least i asked about dresses not othe more un personal stuff....
Well... that was... special.
Ummmm... NO... RB had very little to do with the majority of changes - he's not even on the FR team this time out. In fact, from what I gather from what little he has let slip, he has been fighting a losing battle to keep some things intact...
You want to paint a target on someone, place Chris Perkins in your Crosshairs. He's the one that will go down in history as "the man who destroyed FR". Even though others contributed, he was IN CHARGE, and the blame for EVERYTHING falls squarely on HIS shoulders.
If I was wrong about Baker being the leader in the 4e changes, then I formally apologize to Mr. Baker and to anyone how I may have unintentionally misled. I do not recall hearing anything about Chris Perkins, what novels has he written? What has his involvement been in the making of 4e.
He's the guy in charge of the 4e team as I recall... or maybe that was Bruce Cordell... either way, it was Chris Perkins who said he was the guy who held full responsibility for all of the 4e Realms changes on his staff blog thingy, somewhere else on the site. I'd find a link, but I'm feeling lazy and my board-fu is not what it could be at the moment...
I'll back you up on what you just said.
Chris Perkins is indeed "the guy in charge".Heh, I can't quite picture LK in a dress... skirt and blouse perhaps, maybe some nice pumps, but not a dress. :P :D
-Uh...Thank you, I think. I guess...
If I was wrong about Baker being the leader in the 4e changes, then I formally apologize to Mr. Baker and to anyone how I may have unintentionally misled. I do not recall hearing anything about Chris Perkins, what novels has he written? What has his involvement been in the making of 4e.
-This was asked when Chris Perkins said that he was "in charge". He doesn't have any novels attributed to him specifically. He was the 'Design Manager' for numerous 3.5e era books, including many Forgotten Realms ones.
I think something earlier mentioned was about the "portfolio". Mystra was the only one with the Magic "portfolio", but not the only one with the magic "domain". I could have mis-read, but I think people are getting the concept of domain and portfolio.
-Mystra is/was the only one in the "Faerûnian Pantheon" with the portfolio of 'Magic', but she isn't/wasn't the only deity with the 'Magic' portfolio. Deities in other pantheons have control of the portfolio as well.
meant that I think they are getting the concept of portfolio and domain confused.
yeah, that's what I meant, I'm sorry. Long day, cant type correctly... :P
meant that I think they are getting the concept of portfolio and domain confused.
-Right...
-Isis was mentioned, but she does indeed have the 'Magic' portfolio. Being as that she is not in the "Faerûnian Pantheon", and is instead in the Mulhorandi Pantheon, there is no clash of "interests", and as such, she can have the 'Magic' portfolio, no problem.
Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not even angry about the change of editions anymore so much as apathetic.
Me too, at least with regards to the 4E Realms setting. Overall I do like the new ruleset.
Me too, at least with regards to the 4E Realms setting. Overall I do like the new ruleset.
-I'll admit, I'm liking it a little more.
Though seriously, I am pretty disappointed with it, the multiclassing thing in particular feels like a step back towards the AD&D days of dual classing, which I despised (obviously its not dual classing, but that's not the point). Just doesn't suit my tastes much, but hey, if others are happy with it, I wish them well with it, so long as they extend the same courtesies.
Well... that was... special.
Ummmm... NO... RB had very little to do with the majority of changes - he's not even on the FR team this time out. In fact, from what I gather from what little he has let slip, he has been fighting a losing battle to keep some things intact...
You want to paint a target on someone, place Chris Perkins in your Crosshairs. He's the one that will go down in history as "the man who destroyed FR". Even though others contributed, he was IN CHARGE, and the blame for EVERYTHING falls squarely on HIS shoulders.
Really? Then I want to apologize for any harsh things I said to Rich in the FR thread or elsewhere.
That being said... DAMN YOU, PERKINS! DAMN YOU TO ALL HELL!!! :P
-I'll admit, I'm liking it a little more.
Oh, yay! I have to say, I'm really happy to hear that.
Oh, yay! I have to say, I'm really happy to hear that.
-Not enough to go out and buy my own books, but enough to read yours! :P
-Not enough to go out and buy my own books, but enough to read yours! :P
It's only a matter of time.
It's only a matter of time.
-Maybe.
Really? Then I want to apologize for any harsh things I said to Rich in the FR thread or elsewhere.
That being said... DAMN YOU, PERKINS! DAMN YOU TO ALL HELL!!! :P
I'll second that.