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| #1Mr_MiscellanyOct 16, 2008 2:15:20 | ...it would be more plausible. Can you guess why? |
| #2StiggerOct 16, 2008 2:53:27 | That it was about some glowy evil crystal thing, and that it introduced to Drizzt and Co. is about all I can remember of that book... and that there was some moron wizard's apprentice type involved somewhere. The rest is just a blur... |
| #3rauricOct 16, 2008 7:31:30 | Because of low level drow took out a Balor single handedly through some tactics? Or that Breunor could enchant weapons through his Ritual Feat? |
| #4opal-dragonOct 16, 2008 7:55:44 | Not that low level. 18th level fighter before leaving Underdark in 2nd ed, switched to 16th level ranger. But Ritual does fit well. Hard part is finding a match for Aegis-fang: Incredibly Vicious Throwing Hammer? In 3rd ed there was the Throwing enchantment: making it a Throwing Returning Maul. However I've not seen any Throwing enchantments in either PHB or Adventurer's Vault. |
| #5kitsunefearnOct 16, 2008 8:20:00 | no i can't guess why.... One reason is because any book I have read always have ways of eluding the characters actual power, or the items having any actual ability outside being an artifact (the sword that was so sharp it cut thru stone, or a bow that exploded with so much damage that it could colaps a stalamite!) It always seems to me, items or powers are usually created after the fact that a fan of the book likes it so much they use whatever current rules are to try and create it, or if they can't make new ones. As for anything being more viable in 4th edition, i can see lots of reasons why things in books make more sense, but i can also see why alot of the things in books like the crystal shard DON'T make sense anymore, aka their items, like their weapons....(IMO the equipment for 4th is weak, xcept for the million gp items... ) |
| #6BadCatManOct 16, 2008 8:47:14 | Let me guess... Icingdeath has a bonus versus Fire keyworded creatures and effects, or something like that? Not that it wasn't possible in older editions, it was just a feature that fell out from 1e, and wasn't built properly in 3e (and came too early for the Aquan property). |
| #7enhenryOct 16, 2008 12:46:19 | In 3rd ed there was the Throwing enchantment: making it a Throwing Returning Maul. That's because of a little known rule in the Equipment chapter of the PHB that says that magic weapons that are meant to be thrown (like daggers, shurikens, etc.) automatically have the returning property. Give Aegis-fang a throwing range, and it returns automatically because it's magical. It's in the magic items section, and I didn't even know about it until listening to the Ranger Podcast on Radio Free Hommlet. As for one other thing that fits 4e from those books, Drizzt must have some skill at Arcana, and the Ritual Caster feat, because he uses a magic circle and some chants he learned in his Drow homeland to summon the Balor Err'tu. ![]() |
| #8Mr_MiscellanyOct 17, 2008 19:17:55 | ENHenry for the win! Everybody's favorite Drow hero summoned up a Balor all by his lonesome. Just as ENHenry says, in 4E this is technically possible with the Ritual Caster feat. ![]() |
| #9rauricOct 17, 2008 19:25:25 | THe Bruenor thing now makes sense also Mr M. ;) |
| #10Mr_MiscellanyOct 17, 2008 19:36:15 | !!! D'oh! !!! Yeah, I should have thought of that too when I made this thread. That little bit of item creation was a real humdinger that's irked me throughout my early teen years as a D&D player. |
| #11ChrisTheSOct 17, 2008 23:41:07 | I've got a very good reason why: it would have been written 20 years later, when the author has the experience and craft to do it properly. |
| #12Mr_MiscellanyOct 18, 2008 0:47:55 | ZING! I dunno, I was pretty young when I read that book and it sure as heck kept me entertained. Though I wonder what a true re-write set in the 4E Realms would be like. More detailed, no doubt. But overall? |
| #13BadCatManOct 18, 2008 1:19:20 | In 1st edition, or whatever it was called, wasn't it the case that all dwarves could forge a magic weapon or armour once in their lives? (In later editions, I imagine he had a pre-enchanted kit that all he had to do was forge to finish the job.) How was demon summoning handled back then? Wasn't it just a matter of knowing the true name? (As Drizzt so conveniently did?) I prefer The Crystal Shard (at least, as I remember it) to later Drizzt novels. Everything was new and fresh, it had that first-time author eagerness, before RAS got set in his ways, and Drizzt was still mysterious and dangerous. |
| #14Mr_MiscellanyOct 18, 2008 1:26:24 | Now you've got me checking my old 1st Edition books... ;) I don't remember that being the case for dwarves, but I'll sure check! OK...per the AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide by Gary Gygax (1979) under the Fabrication of Magic Items, Including Potions and Scrolls section (page 116), "Only very old, very intelligent and wise dwarves and elves who have attained maximum level advancement are able to properly forge, fashion, and/or make these items and have the appropriate magicks and spells to change them into special items -- i.e., these items are likewise the precinct of the DM exclusively." As it related to dwarves, it must be "appropriate magicks" only and not "spells" since the Character Race Description for Dwarves (page 15) in the AD&D Player's Handbook (1978) says, "Because of their very nature, dwarves are non-magical and do not ever use magic spells." Classic, contradictory and pure 1st Edition! ;) |
| #15StiggerOct 18, 2008 2:41:19 | Read it as elves using spells and magick, and dwarves just using magicks, but not spells and its not contradictory. From what I recall, spells being used to create items wasn't really that necessary until later in AD&D, VGtATM as I recall it specifically for the Realms. Could be mistaken on that though, its been a while. |
| #16Mr_MiscellanyOct 18, 2008 3:01:00 | You're probably right. An example of dwarves using magicks could be how Bruenor went through his whole setup to make Aegis-Fang (sorry lore aficionados if I spelled that wrong) and (if I remember right) finished off his ritual of sorts by tossing up all that diamond dust and having not a single speck of it go unwasted. |
| #17StiggerOct 18, 2008 3:33:54 | Well, at least it gives you an argument for justifying that everyone could use rituals all along, and that 4e just caught the mechanics up with the lore. ;) |
| #18opal-dragonOct 18, 2008 6:28:30 | The point I was trying to make was Aegis-fang was a huge weapon, not designed to be thrown. Which is why it needed Throwing/Returning in the first place. So, unless a 4th ed Throwing enchantment exists for big weapons, 4th ed Aegis-fang would be decidedly smaller than 3rd ed version. In Silver Marches, it was martial two handed weapon. In Complete Warrior, maul was upgraded to exotic one-handed, martial two-handed, a la the Bastard Sword. If a 4th ed maul comes out, precedent would suggest it would be Superior, Versatile weapon. |
| #19Mr_MiscellanyOct 18, 2008 14:13:29 | You're ahead of me on the 4E rules. We're not even past 2nd level yet and kinda taking our time. I've got the 4E Adventurers Vault. Anything juicy in there? |
| #20markustay63Oct 18, 2008 14:27:49 | The books always made sense under my rules system - I play 3Me. :D I had rituals long before most designers were weened. :P BTW - I didn't think of it - read any old fable or 'faerytale'. Anyone should be able to do magic, if it is cast from a Tome. Scrolls work that way, so why shouldn't Spellbooks? ![]() Even Disney's Sorceror's Apprentice had that. I guess I've alwys been ahead of my time. ![]() |
| #21davesaundersOct 20, 2008 10:57:20 | If its written down like on a scroll or whatever and the person can read they should be able to use the magic. Kind of like Diablo. |