-Hypothesizes?
Did you say something?
*BURP*
Did you say something?
(giggle)
Kelevmor to judge
or
were wiped out as part of the plane itself as he tried to hold it together.
Doesn't mean I'll embrace the 4E Realms over this change, though.
But if we assume Souls are actually just trapped there, I assume most of them were released into the Shadowfell.
And that explains why the Plane of Shadow became so riddled with thousands of restless spirits and thus became the Shadowfell.
Yeah, the wall destroys the souls within 1d10 days. So assuming no new souls were put into it for at least 11 days, then there wouldn't be any inhabitants to absorb. Just the leftover stuff that forms the wall.
Yes, but they also become part of the Wall too.
Some element of them remains in part as the Betrayer proves (assuming that NWN is canon in this universe we're discussing, mostly like how Baldur's Gate the game and not the novels is in any sane universe).
-I am assuming that the law of physics that states that energy cannot be destroyed, and only transformed, is still in place, and that souls aren't destroyed, but instead, are absorbed by the Wall, thus imbuing it with their Incarnum energy. That Incarnum energy is somewhere, assuming the Wall is no longer in the Fugue.
Maybe it was absorbed by the Spell Plague and thus gave that particular monstrous thing even more trouble.
Actually, I like the idea the Spell Plague as a consuming entity more and more the more I think of it. Basically, the reason that the Planes became no longer infinite is because the Magical Source of power to create their infinite length was cut off.
I wouldn't take Mask of the Betrayer as canon at all, as it contradicts published materials in several ways. The soul and the consciousness are dissolved within a tenday of being interred within the wall, so the idea of souls being there for nigh a thousand years is blatantly wrong. Hell, the game contradicted itself. For instance, you had a Priest of Kelemvor who'd never even heard of such a thing. One would think that, if anyone would know about the Wall of the Faithless, it'd be a Priest of Kelemvor. You know what really gets me, though? It's the fact that the temple that that guy works in is surrounded by a replica of the Wall of the Faithless!
Yes, but the game's counteracting point is that the game was Awesome.
Yes, but the game's counteracting point is that the game was Awesome.
...I have been defeated, for I have no defense against this argument.
;)
-I am assuming that the law of physics that states that energy cannot be destroyed, and only transformed, is still in place, and that souls aren't destroyed, but instead, are absorbed by the Wall, thus imbuing it with their Incarnum energy. That Incarnum energy is somewhere, assuming the Wall is no longer in the Fugue.
Asmodeus stole it and used it to "push" the nine hells?
Jergal: Ahem.
Kelemvor: Oh, just let her. It's not like we can stop her as just an Exarch and a 38th level.
Maybe it was absorbed by the Spell Plague and thus gave that particular monstrous thing even more trouble.
-The impetus for it reshuffling the Planes? Because, mind you, it was weak enough to be rebuffed by Mythals and such, and yet, it rearranged the cosmos with not even a (perceived) hiccup.
Asmodeus stole it and used it to "push" the nine hells?
-Another possibility. He pushed The Abyss, though. ;)
-As the Lord of the Nine Hells, he certainly has plenty of experience "working" with spirits and spirit energies and such.
-Another possibility. He pushed The Abyss, though. ;)
Sorry, sleepy and a little punchy tonight. You knew what I meant, heh! ;)
Asmodeus stole it and used it to "push" the nine hells?
I thought about that path too. Cyric and Asmodeus had the wall from cannon. Cyric was the god of the dead, and Asmodeus (or his agents) had a deal with Kelemvor that let said agents negotiate with the dead for their souls. So either could have planted something that allowed them to steal the souls bound within at a critical moment.
It also could have been the Demons, no longer distracted by the Blood War, mounted a massive raid on the wall, much as they always have, and managed to destroy enough of the wall to make it pointless to rebuild. Especially if rebuilding would just invite more attacks.
-Does Incarnum, or an Incarnum-like equivalent exist in 4e? The Divine Power Source, perhaps?
There is a lot of speculation that incarnum will be the same thing as ki. I have not read any official statement on it though.
Perhaps the Spellplague moved it and warped how it works so that if they want it as a power source they can have it.
-Does the Divine Power Source have, like, an explanation? Because Incarnum sounds a lot like what I am envisioning of it.
2) Living walls will be in the MM2.
It depends, I think that the Wall actually destroyed the souls that it devoured for the most part.
But if we assume Souls are actually just trapped there, I assume most of them were released into the Shadowfell.
And that explains why the Plane of Shadow became so riddled with thousands of restless spirits and thus became the Shadowfell.
2) Living walls will be in the MM2.
-And, these would be?
2) Living walls will be in the MM2.
And they directly relate to the Wall of Lost Souls or are just something nifty and new to hack at?
1) The Fugue Wall is gone.
2) Living walls will be in the MM2.
Does their main attack involve falling on people? Because that would be comedy gold. :D
It was a specific type of monster in the 2nd Ed MM that was pretty wrong, balance- and fluff-wise. :P
What, has no one played 2nd Ed?
-Nope.*
It was a specific type of monster in the 2nd Ed MM that was pretty wrong, balance- and fluff-wise. :P
-How so? I mean, what are they?
*This statement is not factually correct.
Edit: found a wikia article. It's not very informative, but here it is.
Does their main attack involve falling on people? Because that would be comedy gold. :D
Oh, yes, I can see it now:
"We've fallen and we can't get up!"
"OK. Now kill it."
What, has no one played 2nd Ed?
It was a specific type of monster in the 2nd Ed MM that was pretty wrong, balance- and fluff-wise. :P
I believe I came across it--lots of attacks and grappling and stuff.
I was more concerned with why it was brought up with in relation to the topic.
I believe I came across it--lots of attacks and grappling and stuff.
I was more concerned with why it was brought up with in relation to the topic.
Because obviously when the Spellplague broke out, the Fugue Wall got bored and left, thus requiring 4E stats for living walls. :P
Because obviously when the Spellplague broke out, the Fugue Wall got bored and left, thus requiring 4E stats for living walls. :P
And now we just get dumber than dumb.
Which--you are now responsible for.... :evillaugh
I found the template for those stuck in the wall here.
-I am assuming that the law of physics that states that energy cannot be destroyed, and only transformed, is still in place, and that souls aren't destroyed, but instead, are absorbed by the Wall, thus imbuing it with their Incarnum energy. That Incarnum energy is somewhere, assuming the Wall is no longer in the Fugue.
Why would the laws of real world physics suddenly apply to a thing purely made of handwavium like magic? After all, magic never did adhere to the laws of physics (*cough*teleport*cough*), so why would it now?
It's just as likely that all those souls were dissipated into nothingness, or vanished into some sort of "background radiation".
Why would the laws of real world physics suddenly apply to a thing purely made of handwavium like magic?
-In lieu of having no guidelines to follow, it is better to have a set of guidelines to use, even if it turns out they don't necessarily apply 100%.