Incorporating Xen'drik into FR

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#1

JohnLynch

Nov 16, 2008 1:28:34
So I got the Grand History of the Realms yesterday and learned about the giant kingdoms, their war with the dragons as well as their gods. I was inspired so much by these early entries that I've decided to incorporate Xen'drik into my version of Toril.

I was wondering if other people had done this and what they did?

I'll be replacing the Terra Incognita land beneath Maztica from this map as it fits closely enough. I was also thinking of having Stormreach be run by some of the Returned Abeirans.

For the giant history on this continent it follows pretty closely to that of the history elsewhere (as I believe this land might even be connected to the other continents in a supercontinent? Not 100% sure on that point). Their civilization rises, enters war with the dragons and so falls. Unlike the other giant kingdoms, the Xen'drik one was extremely magical in nature, and so they employed weapons against the dragons which created the peculiar environment in Xen'drik today. But they still lost the war.

However something I'm struggling a bit with is what is the slave race that now inhabits the giant ruins? I quite like the idea and want to keep it, however obviously it can't be drow as the elves weren't even on Toril at the beginning of the Dawn Ages and the drow-creation is tied into something else.

So can anyone suggest any good alternatives that would fit in the atmosphere and history of the Forgotten Realms?
#2

markustay63

Nov 16, 2008 20:25:14
Like This? ;)

IMAGE(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/MarkusTay/Abeirron_Toril.jpg)
#3

JohnLynch

Nov 16, 2008 20:56:17
:OMG! :OMG! :OMG!

That was very nice Markus, thankyou :D I'm extremely surprised to come in here and get that treat :D Thanks.
#4

suin_bahhar_02

Nov 17, 2008 7:51:48
I love giant vs dragon battles! Something very right with the images that conjures.

Hmm didn't Fearuns giants also have great magicians? The titans surely were. What did the Xendrik giants use the most, evocation magics?
#5

markustay63

Nov 17, 2008 11:36:58
FR Giants used Rune Magic, nearly identical that used by Dwarves of old - which raises some interesting questions about the two races.

And that, of course, is based on RW Rune-magic used by the Norse.
#6

suin_bahhar_02

Nov 17, 2008 15:36:09
You know any mechanics for using Arcane Rune-magic? The FR prc is a divine based caster.
#7

markustay63

Nov 18, 2008 0:20:21
The only rules for them were in Dawrves Deep and Giantcraft - both 2e products.
#8

brimstone_blackheart_dup

Nov 19, 2008 12:10:12
Like This? ;)

IMAGE(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/MarkusTay/Abeirron_Toril.jpg)

Impressive.
#9

markustay63

Nov 19, 2008 13:50:56
Not really - that took about five minutes (using the map I created for the 'pirates' thread).

What I really want to do is finish the one I started doing awhile back, incorporating pieces of about ten different campaign worlds into one for my own games.

I saw something like that on the web once, but I can't find it now.
#10

JohnLynch

Nov 19, 2008 23:30:41
What did the Xendrik giants use the most, evocation magics?

No idea. These sort of questions are a bit beyond me ;)
#11

brimstone_blackheart_dup

Nov 20, 2008 1:17:10
You could ask the Eberron folks.
#12

fabius_maximus

Nov 20, 2008 3:57:43
They used every kind of magic, as there were several giant realms on the continent. Transmutation seems to be one of the most used, since they'd had to create the elves out of something. Also, construct building may have been common. It was the Quori who created the Warforged, but the giants probably perfected the design.

Skulks could be a substitute for the drow. I don't know what you could use for the elves. Some other human derived races perhaps.
#13

davesaunders

Nov 20, 2008 23:35:47
I was thinking about making something like this because on of my players is a Eberron fan. I was going to make it its own world that used to be on Faerun but was teleported away during a war long ago but with a lot of portals alot like Retruned Abier.
#14

suin_bahhar_02

Nov 21, 2008 7:23:06
They used every kind of magic, as there were several giant realms on the continent. Transmutation seems to be one of the most used, since they'd had to create the elves out of something. Also, construct building may have been common. It was the Quori who created the Warforged, but the giants probably perfected the design.

Whe..we.wha?! Giants creating elves trough transmutation magics? Right.

Still the idea of a high magic giant continent is fascinating. The huge scale for play would be inspiring both tactically and lorewise.

Skulks could be a substitute for the drow. I don't know what you could use for the elves. Some other human derived races perhaps.

Realmsian slave race created by giants? Goliaths perhaps? Or hobgobbers! I always love the way goblinkind organises cultures along their size, fits perfectly with role of servitude in an ancient past.
#15

quale1

Nov 21, 2008 7:52:14
think they were binders and warlocks, sacrificial magic
#16

JohnLynch

Nov 21, 2008 8:30:00
Skulks could be a substitute for the drow. I don't know what you could use for the elves. Some other human derived races perhaps.

Interesting.. Any lore or anything on them for FR? Or they just a standard wild race that blends in well?

Realmsian slave race created by giants? Goliaths perhaps? Or hobgobbers! I always love the way goblinkind organises cultures along their size, fits perfectly with role of servitude in an ancient past.

I was looking for something exotic and different.
#17

suin_bahhar_02

Nov 21, 2008 12:06:56
Why not go for sneaky carnivorous gnomes or humans then? Respectively Spriggans or Maezels I believe they are called in the Realms. Some more exotic races could be kir-lanan, minotaurs, the incarnum races, thri-kreen or even civilized sailing apes, the hadozeee.

So Xendrik would contain races who escaped from the bondage of giants and lived through the disastrous nuke that killed the huge civilasation. Those races are more primal themselves but utilize powerfull giant artifects?
#18

markustay_dup

Nov 21, 2008 13:24:37
Realmsian slave race created by giants? Goliaths perhaps? Or hobgobbers! I always love the way goblinkind organises cultures along their size, fits perfectly with role of servitude in an ancient past.

Ogres would be my pick - in early D&D they were considered Goblinoids, believe it or not. They briefly became their own race (because of Dragonlance?), and eventually got shoe-horned into the Giants as a 'red-headed stepchild'.

Go with the Skullcrusher Ogres from MM3 - they also make excellent subs for the Icespire Ogres found in the Hartsvale. ;)
#19

rauric

Nov 21, 2008 22:23:32
Actually I think the true origin of EBs elves wil be like this, eladrin were snactched from Thelanis (Feywild) and either through magic experimentation they were turned into elves. True eladrin still exist but are hidden away in that other Plane.
#20

fabius_maximus

Nov 22, 2008 6:33:41
Actually I think the true origin of EBs elves wil be like this, eladrin were snactched from Thelanis (Feywild) and either through magic experimentation they were turned into elves. True eladrin still exist but are hidden away in that other Plane.

Which would be rather lame. Not the snatching from Thelanis part (that's quite likely), but the "suddenly there be eladrin" part.

@Suin: The elves were slaves to the giant kingdoms and revolted, after a few thousand years and a devastating war. The giants then created the drow as a tool to battle the elves.
#21

markustay_dup

Nov 22, 2008 9:28:13
No, no, no... Eladrin are the children of the Fey. After the Le'Shay were forced to flee their original world (Toril) due to the incident of the Black Diamond (Monster Mythology), they built a new home in the Feywild.

Problem was that they had lost their connection to their home, which 'empowered' them. They brought a piece of it with them, but it wasn't toatally enough. After leaving their children were mortal - albeit long-lived (the Eladrin).

At a later date their children's children flee Faerie (Feywild) when Tintageer is destroyed and travel back to the Prime material, thus further diluting their blood and losing more connections. At that point the Eladrin became Elves, who were even shorter-lived then their forbears.

Ego Elves come from Eladrin who came from the Fey (Le'Shay) who were the original Creator Race. When the Elves fled Faerie they weren't really refugees - they were just 'coming home'.

Everything comes full circle - I'm a big fan of the 'Wheel of Time' approach. ;)
#22

fabius_maximus

Nov 22, 2008 12:54:50
I was writing about Eberron...
#23

lord_karsus

Nov 22, 2008 22:40:29
-Ignore him, he's crazy.

-Markus, come with me.

-Which Eberron continent is Xen'Drik? Is that the one with the war, someone magical wasteland and desert in nature?
#24

18DELTA

Nov 22, 2008 23:41:52
-Ignore him, he's crazy.

-Markus, come with me.

-Which Eberron continent is Xen'Drik? Is that the one with the war, someone magical wasteland and desert in nature?

-

-Waves bye-bye have fun in the padded room! :P

IMAGE(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/MarkusTay/Abeirron_Toril.jpg)
-Here you go! ;)


18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric) :D
#25

lord_karsus

Nov 22, 2008 23:52:04
-Yeah, I saw that earlier, but it doesn't help me too much. Now I know (apparently) what Xen'Drik looks like, but I'm still not certain if that's the desert/magical wasteland-type continent that I know Eberron has. The unexplored, undetailed, "scary" one.
#26

18DELTA

Nov 23, 2008 0:38:53
-Yeppers. It's the landmass under Khorvaire(sp). Yet Sarlona is my favorite spot in Eberron.


18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric) :P
#27

fabius_maximus

Nov 23, 2008 7:31:38
-Ignore him, he's crazy.

You mean he finally snapped?

Btw, on which page of Monster Mythology I can find this Black Diamond thingy?
#28

18DELTA

Nov 23, 2008 8:19:57
-I know it was created or given to Tharizidun(sp?). It corrupted Titania's sister who became The Queen of Air and Darkness. I had a thread going in Oct 2007 asking about the Queen and the Black Diamond was brought up. I may try and track down the Enworld thread I had going on it.


18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric) ;)
#29

markustay_dup

Nov 23, 2008 13:55:29
Xendrik is Eberron's wonderful 'Jungle Continent', which was lighyears better then Maztica. It was done so well, in fact, that the Online version of D&D takes place there (Stormreach is on Xen'drik). It's everything Maztica could have and SHOULD HAVE been.

You mean he finally snapped?

Btw, on which page of Monster Mythology I can find this Black Diamond thingy?

In the section under the Sylvan Gods, and mostlly in the stuff about The Queen of Air and Darkness.

And whilst doing research for something completely different, I found the current location of said gemstone in the 3e Realms.
#30

18DELTA

Nov 23, 2008 15:26:42
-So where is this gem at?

-See here is a thread that I am not trying to bait anyone into a negative response Markus! :P :P :P


18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric who can see his undies!) :P
#31

Bluenose

Nov 24, 2008 3:25:40
-Yeah, I saw that earlier, but it doesn't help me too much. Now I know (apparently) what Xen'Drik looks like, but I'm still not certain if that's the desert/magical wasteland-type continent that I know Eberron has. The unexplored, undetailed, "scary" one.

I believe you're thinking of the Mournland. That's the magical wasteland, which exists where one of the major nations had a little accident towards the end of the "Last War". That's on Khorvaire, the continent which is the default starting point.

Xen'drik has some desert, and rather more jungle. It was the home of the giants and their elven slaves, before the giants got the stuffing kicked out of their society and intelligence during an extra-planar invasion. Ruined giant cities, degenerate tribes of giants, mildly (and not so mildly) xenophobic drow, and missing explorers are expected. It's not conquistadors against aztecs, it's the search for El Dorado or the Lost World.
#32

lord_karsus

Nov 24, 2008 11:17:30
I believe you're thinking of the Mournland. That's the magical wasteland, which exists where one of the major nations had a little accident towards the end of the "Last War". That's on Khorvaire, the continent which is the default starting point.

-Yes, I think that was the one I was thinking of.
#33

fabius_maximus

Nov 25, 2008 11:01:15
In the section under the Sylvan Gods, and mostlly in the stuff about The Queen of Air and Darkness.

Thank you. Are there two different Monster Mythology books? The entry for the sylvan gods in my copy is missing somehow.
#34

lord_karsus

Nov 25, 2008 12:16:00
Thank you. Are there two different Monster Mythology books? The entry for the sylvan gods in my copy is missing somehow.

-There's only one version of it. They should be on page 117.
#35

18DELTA

Nov 25, 2008 15:21:28
-The Mournland was a country that was destroyed mysteriously during the Last War. It was the nation of Cyre. Now it is a ruin ruled by the Lord Of Blades (Warforged badass, because Warfoged can survive in that place). Xen'Drik was the Continent that the Dragons destroyed due to the Giants abusing magic. ;)


18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric, who likes the Eberron setting)
#36

markustay_dup

Nov 25, 2008 16:51:32
-There's only one version of it. They should be on page 117.

Unless you are talking about Demi-human Deities, which is the Realms-specific tome of a similar nature.
#37

lord_karsus

Nov 26, 2008 13:23:46
-No, I'm talking about Monstrous Mythology. Demihuman Deities doesn't have a section on Sylvan deities- it has Elves and Gnomes, but in general D&D nomenclature, they're Demihumans.
#38

markustay_dup

Nov 27, 2008 9:03:21
I know, but there is some overlap - it included a section on the demi-human deities, and it also included the Drow gods (and if I'm not mistaken, thats where we got Kiaransalee, who wasn't even from the Toril!)

I've seen at least one other person get the two confused before, so I just thought I'd mention it.
#39

lord_karsus

Dec 01, 2008 10:26:17
-You know, I never even realized that the 'Deities of the Forgotten Realms' chapter was even there...
#40

markustay_dup

Dec 02, 2008 9:03:17
Yes, we've been over this before... Realmslore is hidden EVERYWHERE. :P
#41

lord_karsus

Dec 02, 2008 10:06:35
-Well, it's not exactly anything new, or anything that we haven't seen elsewhere, in retrospect, but...