You need to read the Starlight and Shadows trilogy. And the War of the Spiderqueen series. Both series have powerful female drow protagonists.
Yes in that, there was a some Drow protagonists the meele master. I have read the 1st 3..but uh..it was so slow to take off. And I'm tired of seeing Monsters vs humnoids. I wanted The war of the spider queen to be about a bunch of Paladins from Lathander raiding the underark riding FR of potential evil. Like, how often do you see the "good guys" being on the offensive attack, and I don't mean just battle-wise, I mean as a whole war wise.
You need to read the Starlight and Shadows trilogy. And the War of the Spiderqueen series. Both series have powerful female drow protagonists.
Ignore him, he's a troll.
Ignore him, he's a troll.
I'd wish you would take advantage of your own advice. Would you kindly leave me be Rinonalyrna Fathomlin?
I'd wish you would take advantage of your own advice. Would you kindly leave me be Rinonalyrna Fathomlin?
Suddenly, the spelling reverts back to normal. How come?
As for your inital post, all the characters you mentioned are novel figures and do exactly as their author planned. Not that hard to work out.
Uh ... BTW, Rino is right.
Suddenly, the spelling reverts back to normal. How come?
I don't understand what you are implying? No, I'm not a great speller if that's what you mean though.
As for your inital post, all the characters you mentioned are novel figures and do exactly as their author planned. Not that hard to work out.
And all the Drow Females do exactly as their author planned them to be. Not that hard to work out. Logic+1
Uh ... BTW, Rino is right.
If she is, why aren't you taking to her advice as well? Being that she is right, you AND her should have not of posted any reply to this so called "trolling" that I am apperently guilty of. Instead, the both of you posting are keeping the 3 of us off topic. It was fine until the you and her felt the need to say something unrelated to a related FR topic. I honestly don't care though what anyone says (online;) ), and I've already stated that I will never report anyone. If there is something bothering you about me, feel free to PM me, it's better than bashing me publicly.
Oh, for the record, I saw you re-added that last part about her being right at the last minute, it was not included on the post, when I hit quote, I saw it and was a bit confused.
I think it was in Starlight and Shadows where Liryn's Father (who's name i cant remember or i would have just put that) said that Females have no aptitude for Magic its all passed down from the Fathers. (this doesn't mean females can't use magic it just means they would have gotten the talent from their Father not Mother) So they are not even a mentally or physically stronger gender, infact they are weaker as far as natural talents in magic and such. Anyone and their brother can use divine magic you just need to follow a faith so that doesn't help them. If not for Loth they would just be another male dominated society.
But I guess thats all it takes is a powerful God/Goddess backing EVERY member of your race that is a particular gender.
But personally I think Liryn could take Drizzt and by far I would say the most powerful darkelf is a female, Qilue. But she's an exception i guess...backed by 2 Goddess's
Do you ever notice you don't see to many Epic leveled Darkelves. Despite everything Drizzt has gone through, the many powerful Matron Mothers and wizards, even Qilue. They all stop at level 19 maybe a 20. Every other race just craps out epic level characters.
I think it was in Starlight and Shadows where Liryn's Father (who's name i cant remember or i would have just put that) said that Females have no aptitude for Magic its all passed down from the Fathers. (this doesn't mean females can't use magic it just means they would have gotten the talent from their Father not Mother) So they are not even a mentally or physically stronger gender, infact they are weaker as far as natural talents in magic and such.
Gromph's opinion was just that--an opinion, not a statement of fact.
Liriel turned out to be more of a wizard than anything else, and she was quite good at it.
I've noticed a trend for darkelf females. There are plenty of powerful ones, but only backed by their Goddess. I don't think I've ever seen a powerful female that wasn't backed by Loth or Elistraee (or however its spelled).
I think it was in Starlight and Shadows where Liryn's Father (who's name i cant remember or i would have just put that) said that Females have no aptitude for Magic its all passed down from the Fathers. (this doesn't mean females can't use magic it just means they would have gotten the talent from their Father not Mother) So they are not even a mentally or physically stronger gender, infact they are weaker as far as natural talents in magic and such. Anyone and their brother can use divine magic you just need to follow a faith so that doesn't help them. If not for Loth they would just be another male dominated society.
But I guess thats all it takes is a powerful God/Goddess backing EVERY member of your race that is a particular gender.
But personally I think Liryn could take Drizzt and by far I would say the most powerful darkelf is a female, Qilue. But she's an exception i guess...backed by 2 Goddess's
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Nothing new there.
But I guess thats all it takes is a powerful God/Goddess backing EVERY member of your race that is a particular gender.
The problem with your argument is that being "backed by a deity" kind of applies to almost every character (male or female) because it's rare for a person in the Realms not to worship any deity.
So, you prove that you don't actually want a discussion, you just want people to confirm what you already believe.
Correction, I want someone to confirm my assumption.
The problem with your argument is that being "backed by a deity" kind of applies to almost every character (male or female) because it's rare for a person in the Realms not to worship any deity.
Well when your diety backs only 1 Gender, or leans more towards them simply because of their birth outcome, you can't really say it applies to the Drow in specific, for Lolth does not favor the Males.
Its just not everyone has a Goddess that backs every female of a race.
Lolth doesn't back every female of the drow race. If that were true, why do many drow females fail and/or die horribly?
Lolth doesn't back every female of the drow race. If that were true, why do many drow females fail and/or die horribly?
Isn't that the same as saying God loves you but you're going to hell?
Anyway, basically your point is contridictory because, according to your logic, no one would die because there god would back them. So in theory, no one that has ever served a God has died. Simple because a God won't wipe someones ass for them doesnt mean they dont back them up, they are not invinceable, and drow die horribly because other women do it to other women, and also Lolth enjoys chaos. It's like saying: "I'm an evil person and I like doing evil things, I love both of my evil sons, but I want to see which one is evilier, they will have my blessings"
And i would say Gromph was correct or atleast that his statement was accurate. He is probably one of the top 2 or 3 darkelf wizards. i'm sure he has probably done some form of research on it. I would rate him around the Khelben "Blackstaff" of darkelves, he might not be the most powerful wizard of the darkelves and he might not know the most about magic of all the darkelves...but he's close.
You know everytime i seem to type a post NoPity seems to put something up just moments before I do and it says some of the same things :P :P
was just noticing this coincidence, its not intentional.
But i still stick to my guns, and say that gender-wise males are probably more powerful than the females. But the most powerful darkelves are still females.
Isn't that the same as saying God loves you but you're going to hell?
No, because Lolth loves no one.
Thats because Lolth also loves backstabbing and ruthlessness, and promotes it to her females. So the ones that are better at it have more "backing" than the others :P
Which means she doesn't back all females, just the one's she "likes" at the moment.
No, because Lolth loves no one.
Speak for yourself, speak for yourself.
NoPityForACoward
I don't understand what you are implying? No, I'm not a great speller if that's what you mean though.
But of course you are. Have a look at all your replies after the original post and you get what I was pointing at.
BTW, it does help to read rule and setting material aside from the novels, as the latter only give you a glimpse at the whole picture.
Speak for yourself, speak for yourself.
NoPityForACoward
BTW, it does help to read rule and setting material aside from the novels, as the latter only give you a glimpse at the whole picture.
Assuming you know who I am, you know I don't play this DnD game. So what else would I look into? More importantly, why would I look into it? Other than stats, I don't see how the novels can't get you the information you need since they are based on detail of FR.
So why not agree to disagree, we'll continue enjoying the Realms, and you can continue --Silently preferably-- ignoring everything written on them.
We'll all be happy then.
-RW
This is similar to my Shar/Mask arguement. Both gods are evil but Masks religion teaches things that common, sane mortals can understand while Shar is all about the destruction of the cosmos. People don't want to go to the afterlife and keep suffering for all eternity under the same douchebags they had to work with/for in their living days. Mask asks ya ta steal and gain power, Shar wants you to cut yourself and listen to My Chemical Romance. I know who I would worship if I was a sane bad guy.;)
Assuming you know who I am, you know I don't play this DnD game. So what else would I look into? More importantly, why would I look into it? Other than stats, I don't see how the novels can't get you the information you need since they are based on detail of FR.
You "don't play this DnD game," huh? Don't think I've heard that one before. Maybe heard of not playing for a while, but never that.
As somebody who is currently not playing and focused primarily on the novels, I can assure you that picking up an FR supplement now and then is worth the time. FR novels do not cover everything. And supplements aren't necessarily just "stats" either. In fact, they give greater meaning and insight to the novels you are reading.
This is his third incarnation at least on the boards, and each time he comes just to argue the same thing, occasionally taking offense when someone tells him some facet of the many things he doesn't know regarding this game, and the accompanying setting.
-RW
Loth is a horrible deity that "backs" someone until not backing them will cause the most chaos possible. The only beings who worship her are individuals that are raised into the religion. The other DE gods make more sense to follow because they represent a certain aspect and they may be less mean spirited towards their loyal worshipers that Loth.
This is similar to my Shar/Mask arguement. Both gods are evil but Masks religion teaches things that common, sane mortals can understand while Shar is all about the destruction of the cosmos. People don't want to go to the afterlife and keep suffering for all eternity under the same douchebags they had to work with/for in their living days. Mask asks ya ta steal and gain power, Shar wants you to cut yourself and listen to My Chemical Romance. I know who I would worship if I was a sane bad guy.;)
Thanks, for the new perspective.
You "don't play this DnD game," huh? Don't think I've heard that one before. Maybe heard of not playing for a while, but never that.
As somebody who is currently not playing and focused primarily on the novels, I can assure you that picking up an FR supplement now and then is worth the time. FR novels do not cover everything. And supplements aren't necessarily just "stats" either. In fact, they give greater meaning and insight to the novels you are reading.
Thanks, I will look into it more than, can you give me a few suggestions of where to look first?
You're wasting your time.
This is his third incarnation at least on the boards, and each time he comes just to argue the same thing, occasionally taking offense when someone tells him some facet of the many things he doesn't know regarding this game, and the accompanying setting.
-RW
No thanks...hey uh RW, talk sexy to me.
Always glad to see those who stay on topic out number those who don't and are out to bash others.
Agreeing with one person now, doesn't change the past. ;)
-RW
p.s. Decided to edit your post back to immaturity I see.
Good call.
Thanks, I will look into it more than, can you give me a few suggestions of where to look first?
Where to look or what to look for?
I'll assume you know where to look.
What? Well, from a readers standpoint, I suggest Faiths & Pantheons, Races of Faerun, and, of course, the FR campaign guide itself. These cover the three primary elements that you are going to run into when reading an FR novel. Slim on stats and good on history, relations, and lore.
A "stat" book I would suggest looking into, though I don't find to be so necessary, is the MM. Sometimes you'll be reading and come across a monster you have no clue of. I just go look it up online if need be, but I always keep thinking I should pick on up.
Where to look or what to look for?
I'll assume you know where to look.
What? Well, from a readers standpoint, I suggest Faiths & Pantheons, Races of Faerun, and, of course, the FR campaign guide itself. These cover the three primary elements that you are going to run into when reading an FR novel. Slim on stats and good on history, relations, and lore.
A "stat" book I would suggest looking into, though I don't find to be so necessary, is the MM. Sometimes you'll be reading and come across a monster you have no clue of. I just go look it up online if need be, but I always keep thinking I should pick on up.
What I meant by I don't play this DnD game is, simply just that. I just read the novels, I don't play the dice rpg thing. Never have. I don't like the candle keep, suffice to say, they suck up and kick you out for any negitave feedback that would only help the errors of such novels in my opinion.
lol, we'll see how well you learn this time, before I change my tune.
Agreeing with one person now, doesn't change the past. ;)
-RW
p.s. Decided to edit your post back to immaturity I see.
Good call.
Do I dare ask what was originally posted?
Please return discussion to the topic of the thread, or it may need to be closed.
Do I dare ask what was originally posted?
Was:
Thanks to 1st post
Thanks to 2nd post
No thanks to 3rd post
All other typing you see are what was edited/added.
But uh anyway, if I don't play the rpg thing, what do you suggest then.
What I meant by I don't play this DnD game is, simply just that. I just read the novels, I don't play the dice rpg thing. Never have. I don't like the candle keep, suffice to say, they suck up and kick you out for any negitave feedback that would only help the errors of such novels in my opinion.
Well, you do have a certain...charm...perhaps your "negative" feedback is seen as a bit hostile? I know you haven't seemed to be the most pleasant fellow to me.
Yet, I'm trying to keep it on the level with you. As long as you respect me, then I respect you. And its just fine that you don't do the "dice thing." Yet, there are few that don't around here. And, simply because they do do the dice thing, generally means they feel much more personal about this stuff than just a reader. Perhaps that's why your input on somethings isn't greatly appreciated.
Just voicing my thoughts--nothing more.
I have made note many a time of various resources, as have others, to follow up on. Yet still, we remain here, arguing relatively simple matters of lore to no end.
-RW
Was:
Thanks to 1st post
Thanks to 2nd post
No thanks to 3rd post
All other typing you see are what was edited/added.
But uh anyway, if I don't play the rpg thing, what do you suggest then.
Then I'll assume that it was Red Wizard that got this:
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Either way, to return to topic, based off the current deviation, your view on drow may clash with most because they have a bit deeper insight because they do read the supplement material.
Especially in the case of drow, you start getting into sourcebook stats and stuff, you see a different picture than what you do with the novels.
Then I'll assume that it was Red Wizard that got this
I'd not assume as such. That was for a post now removed on "NoPitys" part.
-RW
I'd not assume as such. That was for a post now removed on "NoPitys" part.
-RW
I'm sure the text came off different than the context there, RW.
Just trying to keep it civil.
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Eh!? I feed you, you happy smiley freak! Why not feed something that actually SPEAKS!!!
:D
Wanna peanut? Do you?
:raincloud :rolleye2: 
:invasion: :pile: 
On to the topic at hand... I'd agree with JD's list there, but I'd add in Power of Faerun to the list as well, great book that gives a lot of fluffy stuff on the way the halls of power work in the Realms that might help the books make a bit more sense. Lost Empires of Faerun is pretty good for the historical background as well, and not much crunch to get in the way.
'nuff said
Well, you do have a certain...charm...perhaps your "negative" feedback is seen as a bit hostile? I know you haven't seemed to be the most pleasant fellow to me.
Yet, I'm trying to keep it on the level with you. As long as you respect me, then I respect you. And its just fine that you don't do the "dice thing." Yet, there are few that don't around here. And, simply because they do do the dice thing, generally means they feel much more personal about this stuff than just a reader. Perhaps that's why your input on somethings isn't greatly appreciated.
Just voicing my thoughts--nothing more.
Yeah, I'd have to back up the Judge here. There is much in the way of setting and content in the rule books. After all, this is a RPG setting that happens to be supported by novels. It isn't a group of novels that has had an RPG created for it.
If we were discussing the Harry Potter RPG or the Green Rider RPG and you said "No thanks, I only read the books. Show me canon sources from the books and not the RPG." I'd get the point. But El, er I mean Ed, created Faerun as a Campaign Setting to run D&D games in. After that, novels were written to showcase the style of the setting and draw more people to the setting. The novels are just marketing for the RPG. You want to know lore, you've got to go to the sourcebooks.
This is especially true of 3.x D&D sourcebooks. They are written 3rd person, so there is no ambiguity. If a 3.x sourcebook says Drizzt could take Ao in a fair fight, then that is so, and not the opinion of a narrator (though the author of the book would need his head examined). 2nd Ed sourcebooks use a narrator who isn't omniscient and may be pushing an agenda. All that adds up to the info in 2e sourcebooks being not 100% "The Truth." (tm)
Eh!? I feed you, you happy smiley freak! Why not feed something that actually SPEAKS!!!
:D
Wanna peanut? Do you?
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EDIT: As Rinonalyrna pointed out, my first statement is not neccessarily true. My entire post, however (in my opinion) answers the question asked in the orignal post and the first statement is simply me rephrasing said question.
Often times, in my drow campaigns, the females and males are both equally well accomplished, although the women understandably get the glory.
In other words, I don't think we can say with certainty that in general drow males "accomplish more impressive feats than females."
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That's it, 18D--get all those things expelled from your system. You'll feel like a new man in no time.
I think that the reason that male drow tend to accomplish more impressive feats is because they (typically) have more to overcome. They grow up in a society where they are essentially breeders and bodyguards (wizards excluded from the latter, obviously). When you consider that the drow's monstrous slaves can fill the role of bodyguard (and even the breeder's role depending on the predilections of their masters), males would then have to be extraordinary in order to progress in such a society.
Right on.
Always remember that we don't see the whole picture--the bits we see of drow society in novels and sourcebooks (which tend to focus on one city, Menzoberranzan) are just the tip of the iceberg and not necessarily representative of all drow everywhere.
In other words, I don't think we can say with certainty that in general drow males "accomplish more impressive feats than females."
Exactly! It's like reading the Ulster or Fenian Cycle (Cúchullainn, Finn mac Cumhaill et al) and trying to create a picture of the ancient Irish males in their society based upon those heroes.
At least can we make them less..."witchy"? Perhaps they could be portrayed more like the Witches of Rasheman and less.... like "witches"? I am trying to be nice here but it is tough. The stereotype of the women being shrews because they can is getting old, I was hoping we could see a new spin on them all.
I think it is time for the drow concept in FR to get turned on its ear. I too am tired of the Matron society that is what we see in most FR novels about DEs.
Dude, I so agree. I hoped the War of the Spider Queen would accomplish that at the time, but it didn't. As is, I'm almost glad the Shade came around to share the evil. Drow--and their constant focus--has become overbearing and without change for far too long.
Well, remember what I said about the focus mainly being on Menzoberranzan--not all drow cities are like that. Some cities are focused on other deities besides Lolth, and in some cities males actually have power.
No, I didn't forget. I read what you posted.
I'm just saying that they brought forth a Patriarchal sect that could have changed things.
Didn't happen.
Therefore, nothing changed, Lloth gained even greater power--in a sense--and we end up at square one, dealing with the same old crap in a more oppressive manner.
-That said, the word "superior" is a very general term, and must be further defined for any serious debate to continue.
Well, remember what I said about the focus mainly being on Menzoberranzan--not all drow cities are like that. Some cities are focused on other deities besides Lolth, and in some cities males actually have power.
Yep. Until another author does a writeup or story on another city where the women are less shrewish or a city where men dominate people will think of women drow as all being like the Menzo drow.
Yep. Until another author does a writeup or story on another city where the women are less shrewish or a city where men dominate people will think of women drow as all being like the Menzo drow.
-Sshamath. Chaulssin. Ched Nesad (Current).
Sure it would... you just get them saying that its an exception to the rule, but still keeping the belief that the rest of the drow are just how they viewed them previously. Once you establish a stereotype in people's minds, its incredibly hard to shift it, even if you explain to them how it should be in details... Mystra & her Chosen being a case in point.
Too true. I can deal with both of those concepts (drow and the Chosen) and work with them but others have a tough time with it. Now that i think of it though I was never any sort of fan of Mystra. Hopefully Selune fills the gap and becomes what Myssy should have been.
Of course, drow society as such always seems to follow extremes. People love to point at the Vhaeraunians, yet those were essentially nothing but a simple gender reversal ... and somesuch essentially rules nigh 90% of the FR world. (Yes, there is the odd female ruler here and there, but they are hardly the norm.)
Anyway, you wonder how the drow as such may have become somewhat boring, as within Realmspace, they are not really active ... at least with regards to the surface realms. They had their little humdrum with the WotSQ, but that concerned only them and a handful of Underdark races. Only now, during the Lady Penitent series, a few things happened to the surface as well.
We know of about 40 drow cities by name within Realmspace and thus enough versions which can easily spice up any campaign. I guess those who think of the drow as boring and in need for change have not deeply enough exploited these possibilities so far. I mean, you surely don't use your everyday Zhentarim or Red Wizard evil-doer in the same way time and again, do you?
IF I was looking for a change within drow society, I would have shifted the utter focus on religion somewhat, at least in non-Lolthite communities. Just switching from one deity to the next is not the way forward.
I know those areas were touched uposn and Ched Nesad was quasi-detailed in one book but it was not enough or the stigma that all drow women are shrews would not still be around.
-Lolthite society, which is the Drow mainstream, statistically, prompts the "shrew" mentality, if you want to call it that. Those that don't (the aforementioned cities, for example) are in the statistical minority.
-Lolthite society, which is the Drow mainstream, statistically, prompts the "shrew" mentality, if you want to call it that. Those that don't (the aforementioned cities, for example) are in the statistical minority.
And of course, it's not like drow of either gender grow up being taught to be nice to each other. Drow females are no more "shrewish" than male drow are backstabbing bastards.
And of course, it's not like drow of either gender grow up being taught to be nice to each other. Drow females are no more "shrewish" than male drow are backstabbing bastards.
But, because they are female, they tend to be able to take bigger risks and get away with a lot more.
Of course, in a Menzo-centric society, that is.
And of course, it's not like drow of either gender grow up being taught to be nice to each other. Drow females are no more "shrewish" than male drow are backstabbing bastards.
-Of course. All Drow cultures, save the Eilistraeean Drow, promote such practices.
The Glabrezu behaved like a demon, and she was the one who suffered for it.
Put a Marine and a bear in a cage, and jam the marines gun, and the bear wins. Same scenario when you strip a 2000 yr old Drow of her magic and defense suddenly.
-RW
... My intent was just to show that in the Drow era ruled by women, men acomplish more on a global scale in the underdark. ...
As it looks, you have read only novels where males (as they say) are the prime figures. Having three novel heroes running about does not prove anything with regard to drow society as a whole. Hence there was a suggestion to read lore rather than fiction. And if you prefer fiction, help yourself to the Liriel Baenre or even the Lady Penitent series and soon your whole argument will collapse.
Why did Matron Yvonnel Baenre (mark the spelling, if you please) die? Because the author wanted her to die. Much like tons of other FR folk are dying at the moment for the sake of 4E. It has absolutely nothing to do with their in-game and thus in-setting abilities.
On a sidenote, the males you are talking about have accomplished nothing on a global scale in the Underdark. One was a pretty decent fighter in one drow city (before being slain by a priestess with 10 levels less than him); another was/is a pretty decent fighter who left his city and runs about on the surface doing little on a "global" scale. The third one leads a mercenary band who has at least a name known in other Underdark cities too. Gobal players in Faerûn are (in no particular order) the Zhentarim (Manshoon et al), Thay's Red Wizards, the Twisted Rune and somesuch.
As it looks, you have read only novels where males (as they say) are the prime figures. Having three novel heroes running about does not prove anything with regard to drow society as a whole. Hence there was a suggestion to read lore rather than fiction. And if you prefer fiction, help yourself to the Liriel Baenre or even the Lady Penitent series and soon your whole argument will collapse.
Why did Matron Yvonnel Baenre (mark the spelling, if you please) die? Because the author wanted her to die. Much like tons of other FR folk are dying at the moment for the sake of 4E. It has absolutely nothing to do with their in-game and thus in-setting abilities.
On a sidenote, the males you are talking about have accomplished nothing on a global scale in the Underdark. One was a pretty decent fighter in one drow city (before being slain by a priestess with 10 level less than him; another was/is a pretty decent fighter who left his city and runs about on the surface doing little on a "global" scale. The third one leads a mercenary band who has at least a name known in other Underdark cities too. Gobal players in Faerûn are (in no particular order) the Zhentarim (Manshoon et al), Thay's Red Wizards, the Twisted Rune and somesuch.
You see, you defend women, and Rino will soon come along to back you up, I'm 100% sure.
Zanan of the underdark: "This is blastphemy, this is orginized!"
EB of the surface: "Orginized..? THIS...IS...SURFACE!!" (Kicks Zanan into pit of death back into the underdark!!)
Der underdark wird fallen, und die Zeit von den Elfen ist über, hat die Zeit von EB begonnen!
My intent was just to show that in the Drow era ruled by women, men acomplish more on a global scale in the underdark.
-That you say this demonstrates that your grasp on the subject is lacking. Please, go into more detail and elaborate as to how this is true, that Male Drow accomplish more "on a global scale in the Underdark" than Female Drow. Your very next point seems to wholly contradict this statement, which, well, doesn't help your hypothesis very much.
-That you say this demonstrates that your grasp on the subject is lacking. Please, go into more detail and elaborate as to how this is true, that Male Drow accomplish more "on a global scale in the Underdark" than Female Drow. Your very next point seems to wholly contradict this statement, which, well, doesn't help your hypothesis very much.
I imagine his "global" scale encompasses the number of male character's in novels compared to those of female and nothing more.
As for you NoPity, might it be that these drow females are taken to be a bit more evil and twisted than some of the males and, therefore, wouldn't make much in the way of good heroines for a story?
Also, please note that the women, in such drow based stories, give the orders and, as such, leave the subservient males to do their bidding. Thus, where the action tends to take place for such novels.
You see, you defend women, and Rino will soon come along to back you up, I'm 100% sure.
Zanan of the underdark: "This is blastphemy, this is orginized!"
EB of the surface: "Orginized..? THIS...IS...SURFACE!!" (Kicks Zanan into pit of death back into the underdark!!)
Der underdark wird fallen, und die Zeit von den Elfen ist über, hat die Zeit von EB begonnen!
Maybe you start reading what I write and not assuming what I mean? I do not defend someone, I state lore facts. And these novels belong to lore, all of them.
I would kindly advice you not to press this men vs women issue too long. You see, we are talking about male and female drow here - not men, women or children. There is some sort of border one should not cross too often, whatever your personal opinion is on the matter.
Methinks, BTW, a WizO has already given you a strong hint to only use the language all of them can understand. And no, they won't take any German lessons from you and will most likely react adversely to any such suggestion. As would I, as it is not exactly up to scratch.
Course. But do you?;)
-RW
I Edited my post, re-of course it.