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#1 Scrinoverlord Nov 16, 2008 22:12:07	I got that in the Grand History of the Realms, but I'm kind of confued on it. Inupras isn't shown on the map, and unless they're provinces, this seems more like a collection of kingdoms in the central Faerun-Kara-Tur-Zakhara megacontinent. Can anyone clarify on what this really is? EDIT: Huh. Turns out Inupras IS shown on the map. But I'm still unsure as to if this is the Imaskar Empire or just a collection of kingdoms.
#2 BadCatMan Nov 16, 2008 22:22:25	Is that the one out of the Grand History Of The Realms? If so, then yeah, it should be the Imaskar Empire. Consider the separate parts to be like states, or conquered kingdoms, each with a duke or governor in control of them. Raurin is where the Imaskari first started. Nemrut, Limia, Semphar, Khati, Katakoro and Taanga are these states or conquered/absorbed kingdoms. Semphar and Ra-Khati survived as successor states, so you can see how the politics survived the empire's fall. Lower Kingdom and Upper Kingdom might just be south and north names, or the empire started in the Lower, and later moved into the Upper. No empire is a single geopolitical bloc. There'll be subdivisions, states, regions of control. The Persians had a satrap in charge for each small area. Romans had governors for Britain and Gaul and other places. The USA has 50-odd smaller states too.
#3 Scrinoverlord Nov 16, 2008 22:32:20	Yes, yes, I'm well aware of empires governing various peoples (I am a rising historian after all--I study all about the Roman, Ottoman, Persian, and other imperial provinces :D). It's just that, that map was sort of confusing.
#4 markustay63 Nov 17, 2008 2:09:59	The Map is during the 'Middle Kingdoms' period, so is only relevant to that era. The early empire would have only covered the Raurin and very little beyond, and the latter empire stretched all the way to the Alamber and Great Seas down to the Golden Waters and on into the kara-Tur (mostly the Katakoro Plateau and all the Yehimal Mountains, down into the Larang Valleys). By all my calculations, there HAD TO BE a a major river connecting Brightstar Lake to the Golden Waters, which that map doesn't show. I assume the river ran past Inupras and had a very large lake attached, all of which got vaporized during the Godwar (all of that is extrapolation from clues given in the Desert of Desolation modules). Which reminds me - it also doesn't represent the 'Survivor-States' period - Only the Plains of Purple Dust were initially destroyed. The rest slowly became desert over the course of the next two millenium (due to the missing water-source from the north). There were at least half-a-dozen of those survivor states, including Bakar and Solon, which adds even more confusion to whats what.
#5 brimstone_blackheart_dup Nov 18, 2008 17:12:29	Nice to know.
#6 lord_karsus Nov 20, 2008 13:31:26	The Map is during the 'Middle Kingdoms' period, so is only relevant to that era. -That's the annoying thing. Every empire had glory days and eras of destruction, and rarely do we have maps that highlight everything, during the good and the bad. A while back, I was hoping that LEoF would have stuff like that, but unfortunately, it didn't.
#7 markustay_dup Nov 20, 2008 21:33:12	I've seen a few really cool Flash animated maps that change showing you the rise and fall of Empires - I've seen Alexander's, the Chinese, and the Holy Roman done that way. Wikipedia has a few. Maybe someday when I do the historic maps for Imaskar (which I'm planning, just for fun), I'll see if I can do one of those thingies.
#8 lord_karsus Nov 21, 2008 10:28:16	-That would sound interesting, interactive Flash maps.
#9 markustay_dup Nov 21, 2008 13:13:53	Yup - I get... excited... over any maps... perhaps a little TOO excited...
#10 lord_karsus Nov 21, 2008 13:49:31	-Need a moist towelette? -Combining Flash animation to be able to zoom in/out, and adjust different time frames would be the ultimate map.
#11 markustay_dup Nov 21, 2008 22:58:21	-Need a moist towelette?
#12 18DELTA Nov 23, 2008 0:44:50	-I could see all of the 13 year olds saying shiny! 18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric) :P