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Jacks death at the end of it was really just dissapointing, he's made out to be an almost epic level wizard throughout the entire book to just get killed quite easily at the end. Other then that though i'd give the book a fair review. Though with knowing what i know about the spellplauge i can allready see the foreshadowing for catti-bree's eventual death/downfall
-Is his/her name actually 'Jack'?
I'm only up to the first 40 pages or so of The Orc King, but YES, "Jack" is character's name. I've read a lot of FR novels, and I'm pretty sure he is a newly created character and hasn't appeared elsewhere.
I remeber a Jack from Evris Cales novels. And he was a gnome or a halfling, I can't remember. Maybe you sub concisely remembered it as a similarity?
-He was a Halfling.
I'm only up to the first 40 pages or so of The Orc King, but YES, "Jack" is character's name. I've read a lot of FR novels, and I'm pretty sure he is a newly created character and hasn't appeared elsewhere.
-Alright. I was gonna say, I don't remember ever seeing any Epic Wizards named 'Jack'.
-He was a Halfling.
-Alright. I was gonna say, I don't remember ever seeing any Epic Wizards named 'Jack'.
And so both Characters die...and I laugh at the lesser races of FR. So it would seem anyone with the name Jack is doomed.
Sorry for any spoiler, can somone tell me how to do the "hide" command or the black lining backround?
So it would seem anyone with the name Jack is doomed.
-Heh, so it would seem.
Sorry for any spoiler, can somone tell me how to do the "hide" command or the black lining backround?
-Two ways: Either 'SBLOCK' and '/SBLOCK' within brackets, or 'SPOILER' and '/SPOILER' within brackets. Both are slightly different, but block the text.
-Alright. I was gonna say, I don't remember ever seeing any Epic Wizards named 'Jack'.
Nor have I, m'lord, nor have I.
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Just remember that Drizzt gave Jack's magical robe/vest to Catt, so maybe it's cursed and Jack will return in some form. I'm really surprised Drizzt didn't have Lady Alustriel check out the vest before he gave it to Catt....I mean it's a common adventuring precaution when dealing with evil casters' gear.
Just remember that Drizzt gave Jack's magical robe/vest to Catt, so maybe it's cursed and Jack will return in some form. I'm really surprised Drizzt didn't have Lady Alustriel check out the vest before he gave it to Catt....I mean it's a common adventuring precaution when dealing with evil casters' gear.
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Just remember that Drizzt gave Jack's magical robe/vest to Catt, so maybe it's cursed and Jack will return in some form. I'm really surprised Drizzt didn't have Lady Alustriel check out the vest before he gave it to Catt....I mean it's a common adventuring precaution when dealing with evil casters' gear.
Just my theory. I haven't gotten to read The Orc King yet.
I wonder if RAS will ever reveal any secrets about that time. Kinda like how J.K. Rowling revealed a secret about Dumbledore this last week.
Personally, I hope she and Drizzt end up married with kids until she dies of old age at 87. She retires from adventuring at around the age of 40, thus Drizzt retires also (albeit temporarily), taking him out of any real stories for the next 47 years or so. After her death, he mourns for a couple years, and slowly begins to rejoin the world. Couple more decades pass as he has various adventures and re-establishes himself, and then the events in The Orc King happen.
Just my theory. I haven't gotten to read The Orc King yet.
I wonder if RAS will ever reveal any secrets about that time. Kinda like how J.K. Rowling revealed a secret about Dumbledore this last week.
How is Wulfgar and Cattie-brie going to even be alive? I thought humans had a shorten life span compared to others.
How is Wulfgar and Cattie-brie going to even be alive? I thought humans had a shorten life span compared to others.
Go back and read what I wrote. Take a second to actually comprehend what I wrote as well.
Go back and read what I wrote. Take a second to actually comprehend what I wrote as well.
I was speaking of the Orc-King. Being that it is a post-forgotten realms novel in the near future.
I was speaking of the Orc-King. Being that it is a post-forgotten realms novel in the near future.
-Only the prologue and epilogue are in the future. The main storyline takes place in the present.
-Only the prologue and epilogue are in the future. The main storyline takes place in the present.
Didn't know that.
Jack the Gnome! Evil wizard/psionist of the underdark! Long live Jack and his unstainable robes ! !
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Hilarious death scene though. Tis a shame he was killed off - I did think him to be more powerful than a warrior such as Drizzt. Oh well 
Who was he ?
So, does it exist an official lore about this "Jack the gnome" ?
Nowhere save the Orc King novel.
How is Wulfgar and Cattie-brie going to even be alive? I thought humans had a shorten life span compared to others.
potions of longevity
ioluam's logevity epic spell
that one spell in the waterdeep book that will do it under the right circumstances.
the increased lifespan feat (epic).
otherwise they reach around 100 and die.
although that is the norm of it, you could let them go over, just say they have a bit of elven blood.....
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I was highly disappointed with Jack's death. I'm sorry, but even though I remain a fan of Drizzt, I hate how he comes out with this unbelieveable wins. I don't care how "in touch with the Hunter" he becomes, statistically, there's no way he should be able to beat an epic level wizard. Of course, this is a novel, but still! *flails* I'm so glad that Obould whooped Drizzt. We needed a "villain" who could finally put that drow in his place.
So.. is it okay to talk about spoilers here then? :o Because let me tell you..ShowI was highly disappointed with Jack's death. I'm sorry, but even though I remain a fan of Drizzt, I hate how he comes out with this unbelieveable wins. I don't care how "in touch with the Hunter" he becomes, statistically, there's no way he should be able to beat an epic level wizard. Of course, this is a novel, but still! *flails* I'm so glad that Obould whooped Drizzt. We needed a "villain" who could finally put that drow in his place.
Well...ShowHow do we know Jack was epic level? That being said, I was disappointed in Jack's death, myself, mainly because I thought so much more could have been done with the character.
*laughs* Catti-brie hasn't even learned how to cast spells yet.
I know. But isn't there a 100 year gap between the events of The Orc King and the Spellplague? IDK, in any case, what I said about Cattie-brie was a hopeful if AFTER she gained spellcasting ability.
this is of course she isnt the dear dear friend that lost her life at luskan that drizzt mentioned in the prologue
Lol, Killing off powerful characters with simple means seems to be a Salvatore trademark, remeber Uthengentel Barison Del'Armgo and Bidderboo Harpell(sp?) What a way to go down.
WTF?! Bidderdoo Harpell died?! When'd that happen? Last I heard he was alive and kicking, well, and digging holes in the backyard. Had the advantage to being able to control his lycantropy better then any Werewolf could ever hope for.
cattie-bie was in her late 30's wasn't she, if anything she's survive only about 39 more years on average, sure she'd be able to cast spells, the plague wouldn't effect her as she wouldn't be a lvl 14+ wizard.
this is of course she isnt the dear dear friend that lost her life at luskan that drizzt mentioned in the prologue
If Catti-brie's the "Dear, dear, friend." Then I'll really be put out with RA. At most, Drizzt should think of her as his bunk-buddy. :P Seriously, I think the "Dear, Dear, Friend" who died in Luskan was Captain Duedermont. He did tend to go to port in Luskan.
the dear dear friend is a female
its states that a dear dear friend lost her life and all her dreams or some such. which leaves two females alustriel, and cattie-brie.
and being that authors dont normally go off killing of other authors characters, my money is on cattie-brie being offed, unless wotc gave the go ahead for offing alustriel
aaah but you see, i didn't type the rest of it either.
the dear dear friend is a female
its states that a dear dear friend lost her life and all her dreams or some such. which leaves two females alustriel, and cattie-brie.
and being that authors dont normally go off killing of other authors characters, my money is on cattie-brie being offed, unless wotc gave the go ahead for offing alustriel
But I thought Drizzt would have tapped Alustriel too? :P Seriously, Ed made her kinda easy. :P
Seriously, I think it'd be Alustriel, simply because otherwise she'd be one of the points of light wouldn't she? Based out in Silverymoon... I donno... Ether seem unlikely, granted, so does half the things in FR4E that's "happened" so far. Drizzt just doesn't have many female friends to pick from...
WTF?! Bidderdoo Harpell died?! When'd that happen? Last I heard he was alive and kicking, well, and digging holes in the backyard. Had the advantage to being able to control his lycantropy better then any Werewolf could ever hope for.
No, I guess Bidderboo is still alive, but Uthengentel was second only to Zak as a fighter in menzo, Uthengental was a 22nd level fighter with the jewels to back up his psychopathic nature and Bidderdoo just flat took him down without even a wimper. I'm all for suspension if disbelief and playing outside the rules if it makes for a good story, but in this one instance, knowing how good Uthengentel really was I was like WTF when I read that passage in the book.
"I have witnessed the death of once-proud Luskan, and with it, the death of a dear, dear friend, whose dreams lay shattered and broken beside the bodies of five thousand victims."
Could well be Duerdemont then, he's known to make port in Luskan.
Thanks for the quote.
That's OK, thank's for bringing the light of reason to the table...we were rolling initiative before the monster had arrived for abit there.
I've just had a look and it doesn't actually mention gender at all it just says:
Could well be Duerdemont then, he's known to make port in Luskan.
could be wulfgar as well, as duerdemont was already on his his years
I hate the way he died too. I would like to see Drizzt get his arse kicked for once. I'm a fan, but he seems just too durn good. I want the Friends of Mithrall Hall to have to fight a challenge that takes all of them to win against it, and barely. I guess Errtu qualifies, but no challenge since the balor has lived up to that task.
Also, I think it would be great if Tos'un joined Drizzt and crew. I know, according to the epilogue, that he settles down in the Moonwood and marries a moon elf, but he's a very interesting character. He has fierce combat abilities that are nearly the equal of Drizzt and he's sort of laid back. I think his neutral disposition is a lot more realistic of a drow whose turned away from a evil society and culture than Drizzt's righteous attitude.
If one goes by how Drizzt is written in the novels, one might think he's epic level, too (even though he isn't).I guess it's just one of salvatore's gifts to make even the minor characters seem to be epic.