It occured to me that with the retcon that now not all souls are claimed by their patron when they are on the Fugue plain, only a chosen few, Kelemvor becomes the single best god to worship. If a major reason to choose a patron deity was to avoid the fate of the faithless or false in the afterlife, then worshiping Kelemvor would be a good idea since you are guaranteed to have to face him. And he is (hopefully) more likely to favor worshipers than all the other souls he has to deal with.
Shh! Don't say it out loud or They'll kill him too!
That makes him a complete butt-hole, as far as I'm concerned.
And don't hand me that 'its not his portfolio' crap - he's the god of DEATH, and he can legitimately bring that on ANYONE.
I thought we were assuming that they had dumped the whole faithless and false thing.
Even if they did, Kelemvor still gets to decide your fate, unless you are one of the lucky few to be grabbed by your deity. So best to worship the guy you have a good chance of having to answer to anyway.
Kelemvor's 'Lady Love' was murdered, and he did absolutely NOTHING about it.
That makes him a complete butt-hole, as far as I'm concerned.
-He stopped loving her, as evidenced by that final tear that he shed, and Cyric "drinking" it.
-He stopped loving her, as evidenced by that final tear that he shed, and Cyric "drinking" it.
Doesn't mean he didn't still care for her, just that they could not be together. I could imagine him being at the front of the divine lynch mob going after Cyric, and only being stopped by AO. And now he is using his posistion as supreme arbiter of the dead to gain converts to increase his power to be able to get revenge regardless of AO's wishes.
-He stopped loving her, as evidenced by that final tear that he shed, and Cyric "drinking" it.
What was that in?
The last book I read was Prince of Lies.
Vraak.
What was that in?
-Crucible: The Trial of Cyric the Mad. The last book in the series.
Was Vraak in it? Maybe I should try and find it...
Was Vraak in it? Maybe I should try and find it...
-Don't know. I never even remembered Vrakk until you began harping on him. He never stood out, to me.
He was so much... deeper... then Obould - almost like an Orcish philosopher. One of the designers mentioned to me that he would make an appearance in the Cormyr adventure, but it was either cut, or so minor I didn't catch it.
I'm going to have to save him in 4e - he SO needs to still be around.
...but it was either cut, or so minor I didn't catch it.
-Yes, perhaps he is one of the numerous "monsters" that the PCs plow through. That's the end of that, sadly.
I'm goind to have to save him in 4e - he SO needs to still be around.
-It's not looking good, since an Orc's lifespan is what? About 40 years or so? Their natural lifespan.
I would think you of all people don't need to be reminded of magic. :P
I would think you of all people don't need to be reminded of magic. :P
-The Spellplague...The Spellplague!!!
The reason why the Spellplague is such a great plot device for the 4e changes is because it's effects were so completely random.
I'm thinking he was chugging a healing potion jjust as the wave of Cerulean energy rolled over him...
and super-charged its effects.
You know the guy Tom Hanks portrayed in The Green Mile.. think HIM. :D
I actually like that.
Everyone now has to obey the DEATH GOD! BWHAHAHAHAH!
So Kelemvor is now the Lord of the Underworld as opposed to being the guy who just controls the punishment of the Faithless?
I actually like that.
Everyone now has to obey the DEATH GOD! BWHAHAHAHAH!
-Like nax said, no reason to worship any other patron. Especially if, half the time, they don't even bother with you in the afterlife anyway.
-I wish that the Forgotten Realms could just have a normal afterlife, for a change.
-Like nax said, no reason to worship any other patron. Especially if, half the time, they don't even bother with you in the afterlife anyway.
-I wish that the Forgotten Realms could just have a normal afterlife, for a change.
What is a [i]normal[i] afterlife? We have several competing theories in RW, including some where there is no afterlife.
What is a [i]normal[i] afterlife?
-One where you aren't screwed at death for having specific beliefs. So far, the Forgotten Realms are 0/2.
-One where you aren't screwed at death for having specific beliefs. So far, the Forgotten Realms are 0/2.
OK, fair enough.
-As a side note, how do you reply so quickly?
AT the moment I have no social life,and I am sitting around, since my work is done for the day, so I just keep refreshing, having already read all the threads I am interested in. And I type fast.
-Like nax said, no reason to worship any other patron. Especially if, half the time, they don't even bother with you in the afterlife anyway.
-I wish that the Forgotten Realms could just have a normal afterlife, for a change.
Is the afterlife why you worship Sune? I never assumed that really made much sense in the first place. I assume you worship Sune so you'll get love in the physical life.
Is the afterlife why you worship Sune? I never assumed that really made much sense in the first place. I assume you worship Sune so you'll get love in the physical life.
-Why worship anyone, then? Anyone can act in a way designed to have specific things happen (get girls, get money, get whatever) without following a deity's dogma.
-Why worship anyone, then? Anyone can act in a way designed to have specific things happen (get girls, get money, get whatever) without following a deity's dogma.
People pray for stuff all the time in RL despite the theoretical ability to get it all.
Sune presumably helps make getting love easier.
Of course, interventionalist gods in D&D have never been very popular for actually doing stuff related to their portfolio.
People pray for stuff all the time in RL despite the theoretical ability to get it all.
-And, a equally large number of people who don't follow any organized religious dogmas don't, and are still successful in the pursuit of love, money, power, fame, etc.