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#1 seainna Aug 22, 2008 13:26:30	I'd be very interested in knowing what happened to this undead monolith of magical might during the coarse of that 100 year span, and the Plague that it wrought across the Realms ...? As a Lich, was he utterly destroyed upon the collapse of the Weave, as the FRCG states that most/many creatures with abilities, gifts and the like grouded in Weave-bound magic...lost those magics. Lichdom is a state reached and largely maintained by those same magics that were lost, does this mean that Larloch was destroyed ? Or that he somehow survived (*hoping* ), and continues his obsessive crusade for magical knowledge ? Speculations ?
#2 lord_karsus Aug 22, 2008 13:35:21	-He's still around. I'm sure he's still sitting around brooding, as he used to.
#3 markustay63 Aug 22, 2008 13:50:59	He married Szass Tam, and the two of them have a litter of little zombies. Or haven't you read our Bizarro-Realms thread? :D
#4 kbreynolds Aug 22, 2008 13:54:38	I'd be very interested in knowing what happened to this undead monolith of magical might during the coarse of that 100 year span, and the Plague that it wrought across the Realms ...? While nothing is mentioned in the FRCG, if it was, I'm sure it would look exactly like this, since everything else looks like this. "Larloch, the legendary lich of terrible magical might, is still active, somewhere, out there. Little is known." And that would be it.
#5 markustay63 Aug 22, 2008 14:01:18	If Ed created it, assume its gone.
#6 quale_ Aug 22, 2008 14:10:22	he's mentioned in the part with the Tharkosil's Seat, that he acquired it and gave it to Tam, but nothing else Warlock's Crypt is on the map tough
#7 naex Aug 22, 2008 14:39:24	he's mentioned in the part with the Tharkosil's Seat, that he acquired it and gave it to Tam, but nothing else Warlock's Crypt is on the map tough So, anyone brave enough to stick their head in Warlock's Crypt, and see? Sort of like after a bad storm or other natural disaster, going and knocking on all your neighbor's doors to see if everyone got through and is ok.
#8 seainna Aug 22, 2008 14:51:39	But then if Szass survived the Weaves collapse, I certainly would expect that Larloch did the same. But with the "Wild" nature of the events post collapse, who truly can say. It seems very much like a tornado passing thru a town, leveling one home while leaving the neighbors residence a number of feet away, untouched.
#9 markustay63 Aug 22, 2008 15:59:44	I heard he got heavily into Bardic magic after the Spellplague He's got a new carrer, now. :P
#10 lord_karsus Aug 22, 2008 16:51:04	So, anyone brave enough to stick their head in Warlock's Crypt, and see? Sort of like after a bad storm or other natural disaster, going and knocking on all your neighbor's doors to see if everyone got through and is ok. -Eh, the guy has a bad attitude. Leave him in there, dead, undead, undeader, whatever.
#11 splarg Aug 22, 2008 20:14:52	Having PCs finding out what happened to him would no doubt be suicidal. However most of the liches and undead he had under his control may have been obliterated, possibly by Tam when they went crazy and he had to put them down or have Larloch's Crypt get taken out in a magical disaster (i mean a disaster other than the spellplague)
#12 Mr_Miscellany Aug 22, 2008 23:26:47	I think it would be cool of Larloch lost control of a small number of his servitor liches and vampire generals in the wake of the Spellplague. What a battle for control of Warlock's Crypt that would be! I wonder if Szass Tam wouldn't try to co-opt these former thralls of Larloch's under his own control (so as to mindream them and learn Larloch's secrets, of course)? :D
#13 gabeth Aug 23, 2008 1:45:53	Lichdom is a state reached and largely maintained by those same magics that were lost, does this mean that Larloch was destroyed ? The connection between the spellcaster's soul, his phylactary, and his chosen body might have been initially formed through manipulation of the Weave, but it's really the Negative Energy Plane that sustains and animates the bodies of undead. Now, given the fact that Warlock's Crypt would be a veritable treasure trove of magical items, it seems odd the place didn't achieve low orbit when Mystra's death occured.
#14 lord_karsus Aug 23, 2008 14:33:54	Now, given the fact that Warlock's Crypt would be a veritable treasure trove of magical items, it seems odd the place didn't achieve low orbit when Mystra's death occured. -The Spellplague "avoided" places with high magical concentrations. Yes, I know, tell that to Halruaa, but that's what they say.
#15 umbralknight Aug 25, 2008 16:05:58	(casts raise thread) Larloch is probably even more absolutly nutters than he used to be. The destruction of the weave was, if I remember correctly, his worst fear. I could therefore imagine his craziness could result in plot hooks. Maybe Larloch is hunting down the followers of the deities who killed Mystra, and thereby caused the Spellplague and end of the Weave. He could be a great boogeyman for hunting Cyricists, Zhents, Shades and whatnot.
#16 Therise Aug 27, 2008 0:15:52	-The Spellplague "avoided" places with high magical concentrations. Yes, I know, tell that to Halruaa, but that's what they say. Perhaps Larloch's mythallar protected his crypt like the mythals and mythallars did elsewhere?
#17 lord_karsus Aug 27, 2008 0:20:52	-A possibility.
#18 strife026 Aug 27, 2008 5:09:51	yeah, its a possibility but i wouldnt put too much faith in that with how the designers seem to pick and choose what is and is not effected by the spellplague even though they state what it should not effect. I mean look at Silverymoon, no more mythal.
#19 splarg Aug 27, 2008 5:32:42	wasn't the silverymoon mythal imperfect? I seem to recall reading in one of the books that their mythal was slowly degrading so that in an elf's generation things could have gone wrong, perhaps the spellplague latched on to that imperfection and caused the mythal to collapse. Is Silverymoon still there? cause if the spellplague caused them to lose their mythal then they should be glad nothing serious happened to silverymoon itself.
#20 naex Aug 27, 2008 5:37:05	wasn't the silverymoon mythal imperfect? I seem to recall reading in one of the books that their mythal was slowly degrading so that in an elf's generation things could have gone wrong, perhaps the spellplague latched on to that imperfection and caused the mythal to collapse. Is Silverymoon still there? cause if the spellplague caused them to lose their mythal then they should be glad nothing serious happened to silverymoon itself. Silverymoon is still there, the Mythal prevented the spellplague from harming the city, though it was shattered in the process.
#21 splarg Aug 27, 2008 5:52:54	Silverymoon is still there, the Mythal prevented the spellplague from harming the city, though it was shattered in the process. Then they had better set up another mythal for protection from 5th edition
#22 keveras Aug 27, 2008 6:38:16	I think this time they avoid giving him stats, rather than giving him stats which are way too low in comparison to Eds musings about him. However, considering the fact that in previous editions Szass Tam was basically Larlochs pawn (to some degree), Larloch would be extremely powerful in 4e; definitely beyond the PCs. So I'm not at all surprised that Larloch doesn't appear in the FRCG.
#23 mylesbuck Aug 27, 2008 7:58:22	He could be a great boogeyman for hunting Cyricists, Zhents, Shades and whatnot. Wouldn't Larloch want to be Shades silly anyways, seeing that they are a perversion of the Netheril he came from originally?
#24 elondir Aug 27, 2008 8:08:40	I would really prefer if they didn't stat him. I personally imagine him to be around level 50 or so given 4e's power curve.
#25 keveras Aug 27, 2008 8:30:29	A little bit high, don't you think? When Moradin is lvl 38, Larloch should clearly be beneath him in power. And beneath Orcus, too, imho.
#26 lord_karsus Aug 27, 2008 11:32:48	Wouldn't Larloch want to be Shades silly anyways, seeing that they are a perversion of the Netheril he came from originally? -Perversions, no, but they are certainly "pretenders to the 'throne'".
#27 keveras Aug 29, 2008 5:26:09	I was just reading thru Ed's statements from Candlekeep and found this: A being so powerful in magic must inevitably "come to an agreement" with at least Mystra and Azuth, and so his doings and ultimate fate are in some manner bound up with theirs: to destroy Mystra may be to doom or destroy Larloch. So if he's still the same, WotC proofs once again that they completly disregard Ed. In some way or another.
#28 banpai Aug 29, 2008 6:17:16	I was just reading thru Ed's statements from Candlekeep and found this: So if he's still the same, WotC proofs once again that they completly disregard Ed. In some way or another. Well either they ignored it - and considering that Ed envisioned the spellplague as some kind of far off doomsday ...well - or they interpreted doomed like it doomed just about every other mage in Faerun for some time.
#29 lord_karsus Aug 29, 2008 10:38:36	So if he's still the same, WotC proofs once again that they completly disregard Ed. In some way or another. -Not really. (A), the statement specifically says 'may', and (B), what exactly does 'doom' mean. The carefully researched work he's spent thousands of years working on and exploring exploding in his face? Yeah, I'd say that qualifies. I'd be bummed out, certainly.
#30 keveras Aug 29, 2008 10:57:16	-Not really. (A), the statement specifically says 'may', and (B), what exactly does 'doom' mean. The carefully researched work he's spent thousands of years working on and exploring exploding in his face? Yeah, I'd say that qualifies. I'd be bummed out, certainly. That may be right, yes, but because of the part '...his doings and ultimate fate are in some manner bound up with theirs...' and because both Mystra and Azuth were destroyed, I assume that he is at least not as powerful as he once was. (Well, actually, it could as well be the other way around, i.e. with the death of Mystra there is no one who bestows limits upon him.) Anyway, so if he's still the uber powerful foe, it occurs to me that they are disregarding Ed. In time, we'll see, hopefully.
#31 lord_karsus Aug 31, 2008 22:05:11	That may be right, yes, but because of the part '...his doings and ultimate fate are in some manner bound up with theirs...' and because both Mystra and Azuth were destroyed, I assume that he is at least not as powerful as he once was. (Well, actually, it could as well be the other way around, i.e. with the death of Mystra there is no one who bestows limits upon him.) Anyway, so if he's still the uber powerful foe, it occurs to me that they are disregarding Ed. In time, we'll see, hopefully. -That certainly doesn't mean that he'd be dead(er), or depowered, or anything, though.