Lifespans in the Realms

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#1

VaultDweller

Nov 06, 2009 8:29:03

Over in this thread I saw some discussion of the 'lifespan problem' where the lifespans established for races in the 'core' 4e setting is not consistent with what is established in the Realms.


I guess I hadn't really thought of it before.  I knew many elves were much older than what was described in the Player's Handbook for Elves and Eladrin, but I never made the connection.


So, since the core lifespans don't match up, can anyone point out to me what other incosistencies there are, and what the real expected lifespans are for races in the FR?


Of particular concern to me is the lifespan of Half-orcs.  Based on the stated lifespan in PHB2 for Half-orcs I had to stretch things a fair amount for a character backstory so that he would be a couple generations removed from ancestors that served Bane before the Time of Troubles and lived in Zhentil Keep before its destruction by Netheril.  If FR half-orcs live longer, that gives me more leeway here.

#2

addle-cove-anarchist

Nov 06, 2009 9:18:15

FR lifespans stayed the same like in 3e

#3

VaultDweller

Nov 06, 2009 13:00:30

I'm afraid I never played 3e and don't have any 3e books.  Fluff info like life span doesn't seem to be in the 3.5 SRD.


So... is there any good source I can refer to?


I've looked at the Forgotten Realms Wiki, which is of some assistance - it has half-orcs living to 75 instead of 60, sylvan elves living between "two and nine centuries," for example.  Some races, though, take their information directly from 4e, including Eladrin/high elves that have often lived for many centuries.

#4

Stigger

Nov 06, 2009 15:26:01

Elves (sylvan and eladrin, there was no differentiation) were supposed to live around 900-1200 years, and even then they didn't die, they were called back to Arvandor by Corellon.


Dwarves were in the 350+ year range as I recall, same with half-elves.


Gnomes were in the 500+ year range I think.


Hin... I'm a bit hazy on them, but I seem to recall 150+ years for them.


Orcs... I can recall seeing some life expectancies in the 35+ year range, most were lower, and a mention that no one knew what the actual life expectancy was for them since they almost never were allowed to reach what other races would call 'old age'.


Humans... I've seen some hints that they could expect to live up to 90+ years fairly easily, but I've also seen stuff that gave them a 60+ range too.


My own advice would be to take those numbers and adjust them up or down to fit your worldview.  The brighter and happier the world, the higher the number, the darker the world, the lower.  Also keep in mind this is going off of memory, so take it with a grain of salt.  As to sources, the 2e Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting boxed set would be the place to look (those numbers were higher as I recall) or the Player's Handbook for core perhaps, though I seem to recall some inconsistency between the two, or for 3e the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting hardcover.

#5

The_Silversword

Nov 06, 2009 16:15:12

Ive been lookin through various Realms books looking for something that mentions life spans and I cant find one, I guess in previous editions the life spans matched up to the Core versions so there was no need to make a seperate Realms Racial Lifespans, but now it seems there is such a need. Looking through the 4e FR Player's guide, and I noticed that they were a little vague on Drow lifespans, saying only that they can live well over 200 years, I guess that could be applied to other races too. If you want a definate reference i would say go with the 1st or 2nd edition players handbook, possibly 3e too, im not sure how they stack up.


Stiggers lifespans look accurate, I would go with that. Its also worth noting that these longer lived races also matured slower than Humans. Dwarves matured around 80 and Elves around 100, Im not sure of the other races. I'll post some more if i run across anything usefull. 

#6

Nolwelen

Nov 06, 2009 18:38:47

My Moment to shine.


From Cormanthyr - Empire of Elves


Type       Starting Age         Maximum Age Range


Gold       125 + 5d10          600 + 4d100


Moon      100 + 5d8            500 + 4d100


Green       90 + 5d8            450 + 4d100


Aquatic     75 + 5d6            400 + 3d100


Drow        60 + 5d6            350 + 3d100

#7

The_Silversword

Nov 06, 2009 18:58:06

Cormanthyr - Empire of Elves *Facepalm!* I was gonna look there next!


Good find my friend, I was thinkin there had to be a standrad lifespan for the Realms  somewhere.

#8

Nolwelen

Nov 06, 2009 20:08:14

Undecided And I actually do have that book. I'm ashamed. ^^


VaultDweller was particularly interested into the lifespans of Half-Orcs


Starting Age                  Middle Age                       Old                       Venerable                               


14 + 1d4/1d6/2d6 *       30                                   45                        60   +    2d10


* (depending on class "complexity")


Half-Orcs do die young, but they are already old when they're still young. ;)

#9

The_Silversword

Nov 06, 2009 20:49:06


Just FYI, the Player's Guide to Faerun (3.0 book) has an age/effects table on p.31 for almost all the playable PC races.




D'oh! Another one i didnt even think of looking in.

#10

Stigger

Nov 07, 2009 12:34:57

Interesting stuff... though I seem to recall dwarves hitting maturity around 40 in 2e, gnomes around 60, hin around 20, same with half-elves, humans at 15, and elves at 100.  Don't recall if 2e ever gave age of majority for orcs or half-orcs though.  Could be wrong about that stuff though, its been a while since I've looked through those books.

#11

The_Silversword

Nov 07, 2009 15:35:48


Interesting stuff... though I seem to recall dwarves hitting maturity around 40 in 2e



You might be right Im not sure, I was going by the Thunder Blessing wich occured in like what 1306 Dale Reckoning? and by 1372 DR those Thunder Twins were maturing and leaving home to adventure and explore the world, of course that would put the age of maturuty for Dwarves at around 66 or 70, but my guess is that alot of them left a little early.


 

#12

Stigger

Nov 08, 2009 8:39:46

Not sure their departure necessarily had/has to coincide with maturity.  For all we know, they could have reached the age of majority, and then spent a few decades hanging out and improving their combat skills before heading out into the larger world.  Or, alternately, they could have all received a vision from Moradin to go forth and do whatever at around the same time... or not.  My point being that one doesn't have to have anything to do with the other.

#13

VaultDweller

Nov 08, 2009 11:34:45

Thanks to everyone for all the info.

#14

JudgeDookie

Nov 10, 2009 22:28:41


 


VaultDweller was particularly interested into the lifespans of Half-Orcs


Starting Age                  Middle Age                       Old                       Venerable                               


14 + 1d4/1d6/2d6 *       30                                   45                        60   +    2d10




Thank you, Nolwelen. I appreciate that.


Cause I was about to state the same damn thing!!


Next time, don't make me read until the second to last post to have my fun spoiled!!  free-mad-smileys-145.gif

#15

Nolwelen

Nov 12, 2009 10:04:41
LOL yea, you know, First come, first served. :D

Sometimes its just, "do or die. Make or break." :D 
#16

JudgeDookie

Nov 13, 2009 22:31:20
I forgive you...maybe. smiley-rolleyes007.gif
#17

The_Silversword

Nov 13, 2009 22:34:39
well we got Half Orcs and Elves, why dont somebody just post the lifespans for all the pc races?
#18

JudgeDookie

Nov 13, 2009 22:39:14
Because there would eventually be a debate on that that would answer nothing.
#19

18DELTA

Nov 14, 2009 1:47:04
I thought we like pointless debates around here?
#20

JudgeDookie

Nov 14, 2009 2:40:12
I like debates with a point--even if they don't arrive at a conclusion. At least give me something worth a topic.

Stig--I'm looking to revive the elven evolution thread, You up for it? At least that has some merit.
#21

sfdragon

Nov 14, 2009 3:07:51
I thought we like pointless debates around here?




we do, but some of them go haywire and spiral downward out of control into chaos
#22

The_Silversword

Nov 14, 2009 3:09:08
no we dont
#23

sfdragon

Nov 14, 2009 3:10:20
we dont what, take our pointless debates to a downward spiral of chaos or dont like pointless debates??
#24

The_Silversword

Nov 14, 2009 3:12:11
No i meant we dont argue. Sorry I was trying to start an argument.
#25

Stigger

Nov 14, 2009 4:23:38
I dunno... debating elven evolution without LK seems a little empty to me, given that no one gets as worked up about Races of Faerun as he does.  And Nai isn't the best of stand-ins for LK, despite the fun of watching the steam come out of his ears when he gets going.
#26

18DELTA

Nov 14, 2009 4:28:03
Thats why we need to start topics that will get LK's blood a boiling...Wink

Make him come back to refute the nonsense being posted. Most of the nonsense will be coming from yours truely...me! Smile
#27

JudgeDookie

Nov 14, 2009 19:16:11
I dunno... debating elven evolution without LK seems a little empty to me, given that no one gets as worked up about Races of Faerun as he does.  And Nai isn't the best of stand-ins for LK, despite the fun of watching the steam come out of his ears when he gets going.



Funny enough, I think LK would actually participate. There's enough upstarts around here to set straight that he may do it just on pride. I'll have a gander and see if it is even worth reopening--I got fed up and quit halfway through, so I'm not sure what may have been covered.

Thats why we need to start topics that will get LK's blood a boiling...

Make him come back to refute the nonsense being posted. Most of the nonsense will be coming from yours truely...me!



Thank, Bejebuz. And all this time people thought I was the one.  smiley-rolleyes007.gif