That's a point. Where is Thorn now that there is no mention of Lythari?
if not, the city of hope would be my guess
Don't think that she would be a wychlaran, after all the trouble there and I'm not sure if they would welcome her so easily. Maybe after a while she would have helped the Rashemi if she heard of the new problems there, but maybe she was during this time far away with her new two companions. Where was Hlammach? Haven't found it on a map, but never really looked for it. I got the impression she was something like a mercenary in this time and so I think she could have shown up where trouble is and where she could stay without being so much rated for being a drow.
well if she is still in that one country, she may be dead.
if not, the city of hope would be my guess
She and her companions may well be dead; an exiled drow who was a follower (if not cleric) of Mother Mystra, a Moonhunter Lythari Champion of the Dark Maiden, and a Star Elven Mage/Thief.
Rather than try to reconcile the elements that no longer exist (and I can count several) I think these three will have, sadly, met their end somewhere. It would be a fantastic set of novels (hint hint WotC) chronicling how these three survived and moved on but I really doubt it will ever be told. Too many potential pitfalls for anyone but Elaine to tell it, and I doubt that Elaine will get the chance to do it herself. A tragedy.
As for Liriel's drow-ness, well she is a Baenre. So unless the First House (including Quenthel) has been "reverted" (wasn't it done on Miyeritari bloodline rather than personal alignment) I think that Liriel is still Drow.
As for Liriel's drow-ness, well she is a Baenre. So unless the First House (including Quenthel) has been "reverted" (wasn't it done on Miyeritari bloodline rather than personal alignment) I think that Liriel is still Drow.
Who came after her mother, who was a Vandree. ;) But it was more a joke as a contrast to the 6 sites answering the question if Drizzt is still drow or maybe only a little bit dusky :P
...Rather than try to reconcile the elements that no longer exist (and I can count several) I think these three will have, sadly, met their end somewhere. It would be a fantastic set of novels (hint hint WotC) chronicling how these three survived and moved on but I really doubt it will ever be told. Too many potential pitfalls for anyone but Elaine to tell it, and I doubt that Elaine will get the chance to do it herself. A tragedy...
I agree - I would LOVE to read a trilogy follow-up of Liriel, seeing how she survives through the spellplague and beyond (honestly, I think Liriel would've survived and found new ways to do so). But you're right in that WotC has promised to never publish any new novels set before 1479. Seems like a bad decision.
I would not want to see a book about how she survived. I would like to see some books with her current adventures in the new timeline though. Her CN/Unaligned philosophies will be an interesting read. She is a born adventurer.
I'm with Therise on this one. I would like to see both.
Give me two new Elaine-written trilogies, one during the spellplague and one about afterwards. And to be quite honest I don't care that this opinion evidences blatant fanboyism. That kind of bridge would bring me wholeheartedly (but with regrets) into 4E.
...and having just gotten to the end of my third Drizzt Book (to contrast with Liriel's 3) and am sure without a shadow of a doubt which of those two Drow I would rather had made it into the 4E publishing plans had I been given the choice.
I would not want to see a book about how she survived.
To each their own. Lots of others would.
I agree - I would LOVE to read a trilogy follow-up of Liriel, seeing how she survives through the spellplague and beyond (honestly, I think Liriel would've survived and found new ways to do so). But you're right in that WotC has promised to never publish any new novels set before 1479. Seems like a bad decision.
Eh. Enough whining by the community will make it happen. She is drow, afterall. And flashbacks don't fall into the "1479" rule.
-I find those sorts of deaths more poignant. For example, Isildur being killed by some random Orc's arrow was a more poignant death than Theoden's, being killed by the Witch-King. Reminds us that, despite our accomplishments, we are all mortal...Such deaths also cause greater emotional response . George Harrison, he died from cancer, sure, but he lived a decently long life, and had time to prepare himself for his impending death. John Lennon, his life was tragically cut short in the prime of his creative life. The latter evokes more emotion. The question of "What could have been" will always remain.
I would like to think of her either still wandering with Thorn and Sharlarra... or as one of the Wychlaran.
That's a point. Where is Thorn now that there is no mention of Lythari?
I'd just say there are still lythari around, and Thorn may still be around as well.
Give me two new Elaine-written trilogies, one during the spellplague and one about afterwards.
I want an Elaine trilogy set in the old Realms, but I don't ever expect to get it.
The question is, is she still a drow? :D
Don't think that she would be a wychlaran, after all the trouble there and I'm not sure if they would welcome her so easily. Maybe after a while she would have helped the Rashemi if she heard of the new problems there, but maybe she was during this time far away with her new two companions. Where was Hlammach? Haven't found it on a map, but never really looked for it. I got the impression she was something like a mercenary in this time and so I think she could have shown up where trouble is and where she could stay without being so much rated for being a drow.
I doubt that. As I recall, the Wychlaran accepted her in the novel Windwalker, and if not she is not found in Rashemen, then I think she would be found on Ruathym. Where she may very well spend the rest of her days as "Little Raven".
Frankly I'd see her more likely to be one of the Faithless after all the **** she went through with Lolth.
why does everyone assume she would have followed Mystra? Unless there are novels or stories after Windwalker I wouldn't see why she'd turn to Mystra at all, maybe Eilistraee though.
Frankly I'd see her more likely to be one of the Faithless after all the **** she went through with Lolth.
There is a short story in Best of the Realms III : The stories of Elaine Cunningham set after Windwalker called "Answered Prayers" which has Liriel, Thorn and Sharlarra in Hlammach, Impiltur. The story specified her as a cleric of Mother Mystra. Nobody is assuming anything, Proin.
There is a short story in Best of the Realms III : The stories of Elaine Cunningham set after Windwalker called "Answered Prayers" which has Liriel, Thorn and Sharlarra in Hlammach, Impiltur. The story specified her as a cleric of Mother Mystra. Nobody is assuming anything, Proin.
Also, I think the events in Windwalker closed the door to her becoming a priestess of Eilistraee (although it did seem things were going that way through the 2nd novel, Tangled Webs). Even the 3.5 stats that ppl did up for Liriel after Tangled Webs was published suggested that she'd go the Eilistraeean route, but it wasn't to be. Not that Mystra survived much longer than Eilistraee.
I doubt that. As I recall, the Wychlaran accepted her in the novel Windwalker, and if not she is not found in Rashemen, then I think she would be found on Ruathym. Where she may very well spend the rest of her days as "Little Raven".
That I doubt.
First, she was not described as someone who is only sitting around and doing nothing. She is the adventurer type of being, ever curious, want's to have something to do, needs a goal, and get stronger with magic and the like.
Second, well there is this little story mentioned above. It describes what she had done 10 years after Windwalker and in some sentences what she had done in the time in between. All the more this story convinces me, that she never would be the Little Raven spending her days on some backwater island. ;)
Hlammach, Impiltur.
Ah, thanks.
Is there something known when a lythari wasn't from the elvish kind and that non-elves could also become lythari?I would not want to see a book about how she survived. I would like to see some books with her current adventures in the new timeline though. Her CN/Unaligned philosophies will be an interesting read. She is a born adventurer.
She is NG.
That reminds me about something. There was a descreption about Lythari in this story. If I recall it right Elaine said, that lythari were not always Green elves.
-Lythari are their own subrace. Information on Lythari can be found in Elves of Faerûn.
I believe Elaine's said something about how many of her characters couldn't have lived long enough naturally to survive till the time of the Shattered Realms. Still, if Elaine wrote some new books about Liriel or Arilyn or Matteo, it'd be fantastic. It'd have to be set in the Realms of course.
That I doubt.
First, she was not described as someone who is only sitting around and doing nothing. She is the adventurer type of being, ever curious, want's to have something to do, needs a goal, and get stronger with magic and the like.
Second, well there is this little story mentioned above. It describes what she had done 10 years after Windwalker and in some sentences what she had done in the time in between. All the more this story convinces me, that she never would be the Little Raven spending her days on some backwater island. ;)
On one hand, you are right. However, after the insanity of the Spellplauge, I would think that she would have wanted to flee to somewhere "stable" and familiar. Be that place Rashemen, where she could indeed become a Wychlaran if she wished (I think they would bend the rule for her to be honest.), or "on some backwater island", the home of her dead "Father" Hrolf the Unruly.
-Despite all of the changes to the world, I don't believe there would be any one place that Liriel would "flee" to. She really didn't have a home, per se. Menzoberranzan? Certainly not. Rauthym? There were more "haters" there than people who appreciated her. Rashemen? The land itself would remind her too much of Fyodor, I would think.
No, I seem to recall at least one village on Rauthym who praised her. She saved them from an attack by some deep sea race... I can't remember the name of them to save my life... I'm pretty sure she said her name was "Little Raven" to them.
No, I seem to recall at least one village on Rauthym who praised her. She saved them from an attack by some deep sea race... I can't remember the name of them to save my life... I'm pretty sure she said her name was "Little Raven" to them.
-Yes, they were attacked by Sahaguin, I believe. Things from Ascore. Which, regardless, doesn't negate all of the hate from everyone else. Hrulf's first mate, what was his name? Something Ibn?
-Yes, they were attacked by Sahaguin, I believe. Things from Ascore. Which, regardless, doesn't negate all of the hate from everyone else. Hrulf's first mate, what was his name? Something Ibn?
Hrolf the Unruly, and although I am sure his full name is given at some point I just scanned Tangled Webs and he introduced himself as:
"Ibn," the first mate supplied "Just Ibn."
Hope it helps... and dear gods but do I need to reread that series. Just got Dalkwalker on Moonshae through the post today though so...
As for the lot from Ascarle I think there were all sorts of things, as well as the contingent from Luskan.
Maybe she has still issues with her father, who is also still alive?
I for one would like to see new stories about her in 1479 and onwards.
Lirdolin
I believe Elaine's said something about how many of her characters couldn't have lived long enough naturally to survive till the time of the Shattered Realms.
Hmm... who should still be around...?
Queen Amlauruil (assuming that she is simply vanished and not dead), Elaith, Arilyn (although she'd be getting on in years if she is), Liriel, Thorn, Sharlarra, Jill, Lamruil, Wyn, Morgalla, Foxfire...
Those are the major (and some minor) ones I can think of.
-Yes, they were attacked by Sahaguin, I believe. Things from Ascore. Which, regardless, doesn't negate all of the hate from everyone else. Hrulf's first mate, what was his name? Something Ibn?
Aye, Ibn. Though Ibn's dislike of Liriel did lessen somewhat... So he at least doesn't hate her as much as he used to. I also believe Hrolf's brother training Liriel had to have at least cooled some of the distrust... Well, that and she was Fyodor's "woman", who the village held in high regard.
There is a short story in Best of the Realms III : The stories of Elaine Cunningham set after Windwalker called "Answered Prayers" which has Liriel, Thorn and Sharlarra in Hlammach, Impiltur. The story specified her as a cleric of Mother Mystra. Nobody is assuming anything, Proin.
that answers that, then. Thanks.
Although, personally, I'm pretty disappointed.
I like the idea of Liriel somehow staying with the wychlaran. Perhaps they gave her a magic mask that allows her to cloak her appearance (appearing human, rather than as drow).
That would be fun!
I like the idea of Liriel somehow staying with the wychlaran. Perhaps they gave her a magic mask that allows her to cloak her appearance (appearing human, rather than as drow).
I think she already had one... It used to belong to one of the Seven Sisters, you know... The one that was dead... I wanna say she even still has it.
she does not have the mask anymore
The mask was given to Shakti Hunzrin as a symobolic(in my opinion) gesture of giving up being a Chosen of Loth.
Is it possible that the new Editions uses her so far seldom used name Lloth of RAS' novels? Because you are the second in a short time i came across who is referring to her as L(l)oth and not Lolth, but the last I read about this name was more than ten years ago.
Sooo sorry about the spelling error heaven knows i am not the top of my class there but yes you are correct in the FRPG is is spelled LOLTH
It's not a spelling error, technically. Originally, several early publications - including this book set (in 2E / early 3E) - had her as Lloth and not Lolth. It's now standardized "Lolth" for all 3E+ pubs.
Sooo sorry about the spelling error heaven knows i am not the top of my class there but yes you are correct in the FRPG is is spelled LOLTH
As Therise said, it wasn't an error. I was only curious because there existed this version of spelling but it wasn't used since Elaine Cunninghams Evermeet Novel
And I have my own problems with english, it is not my mother language and I am not used to write much in english. So far, I have only read in English and that's a lot of easier. ;)
So, what do you think that child would be?
I suppose she's alive and had had a child of Fyodor's.
So, what do you think that child would be?
-If it's a girl, a Witch of Rashemen. If it's a boy, a Ranger who wanders Eastern Faerûn.
I suppose she's alive and had had a child of Fyodor's.
So, what do you think that child would be?
As I mentioned in our PM chat, ideally a Swordmage, but possibly a straight Fighter or Sorceror. Sex and gender don't really matter to me in this case. In my Realms, Liriel has settled down in Rashemen and continued her studies as a Witch of Rashemen over the past decades, and can still be found there in 1479 DR. As for her potential offspring, I prefer the wanderer personality myself, so ideally the child would leave the nest so to speak around fifteen or so to wander Rashemen at large on his/her own, then a couple years later begins traveling the Realms at large, perhaps eventually being drawn to the Underdark as a sort of right of wo/manhood (Fyodor's blood speaking here). Since I've always considered the half-drow lifespan to be half that of a normal drow, the "child" in 1479 DR would have quite a bit of skill under his/her belt.
Imagine twins, one a witch who wants to know drow magic, and the other a ranger on a dajemma to protect his sister.
-Sounds like a series just waiting to write itself.
At least one probably took a dajemma to see Gromph.
Great minds think alike, my friend.:D
Imagine twins, one a witch who wants to know drow magic, and the other a ranger on a dajemma to protect his sister.
This is interesting, but personally, I'd be tempted to switch it up. A son with a talent for wizardry, who doesn't believe he can find contentment with the Vremyonni, and a twin sister who takes up the ranger's path and follows him as he leaves to study foreign magic. While I pictured Liriel only bearing one child of Fyodor's, that child's interactions with half-kin could make for some delicious roleplaying. Were I to do it, though, I'd give Fyodor's child fifty years or more over the twins, so that he/she has an advantage in experience and wisdom, even if he/she isn't necessarily on the best terms with his/her half-kin.
Drizzt and Liriel sittin in a tree.........:P
A very tall tree. That Liriel pushes him out of. :D
Great minds think alike, my friend.:D
This is interesting, but personally, I'd be tempted to switch it up. A son with a talent for wizardry, who doesn't believe he can find contentment with the Vremyonni, and a twin sister who takes up the ranger's path and follows him as he leaves to study foreign magic. While I pictured Liriel only bearing one child of Fyodor's, that child's interactions with half-kin could make for some delicious roleplaying. Were I to do it, though, I'd give Fyodor's child fifty years or more over the twins, so that he/she has an advantage in experience and wisdom, even if he/she isn't necessarily on the best terms with his/her half-kin.
And who would be the father of the twins then?
Fyodor's child might be a lil bit of a warrior and a hathran (I always thought it'd be a daughter).
A very tall tree. That Liriel pushes him out of. :D
Magical Anklets remember? Lol
Drizzt and Liriel sittin in a tree.........:P
:P
And who would be the father of the twins then?
Fyodor's child might be a lil bit of a warrior and a hathran (I always thought it'd be a daughter).
To be honest, it could be just about anyone. However, I kind of envision him being another Rashemi warrior. Maybe Liriel fancied him simply because he resembled Fyodor in more ways than one. Maybe it was a random fling that ended in her pregnancy. Maybe she had feelings for him but he was cut down in a battle with Thay. Personally, I'm leaning towards the second option, but I haven't decided.
As for the second statment, that's why I envisioned Swordmage originally (trying to get the best of both worlds). Never did consider the child's sex or gender.
Drizzt and Liriel sittin in a tree.........:P
Liriel is too cool for Drizzt;)
She wouldn't be able to put up with his incessant crying and whining for one thing.
A very tall tree. That Liriel pushes him out of. :D
Into a Spiked Pit Trap.:D
Into a Spiked Pit Trap.:D
OMG. Do I see kids of Drizzty running about? Amber-eyed kids?
Though, getting smashed into a spiked trap by his lover is not bad :D :D :D :D