Any thoughts?
Source: Silver Marches pg 70
This may not be possible, but I'm looking for a dwarven cleric of Moradin that would have been alive, but elderly about the time of the spellplague. I know I could just invent one, but I'm hoping that there might be one somewhere in FR lore to give him a more flavorful history.
Any thoughts?
How about this one?
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rp/20020911a
He's perhaps even more interesting because he's a duergar cleric of Moradin that you could take and embellish the latter days of his life.
I think Stumpet of Clan Battlehammer would be alive...
I thought she would of married bruennor be for he passed on.
and oh old was bruenor and how old is or was strumpet
did they nuke the dwarves?
Dwarves got seriously shafted in 4th. After the potential inspiration of the thunder blessing and the fact that dwarves could be spellcasters now, I was really hoping for a named dwarvern wizard that would scare the hell out of ya. Instead they basically brought them back to 2nd edition, bordering on extinction. In fact, as far as I can tell, there are pretty much only 2 enclaves left: the east rift and mithral hall. It was very disappointing to put it mildly, especially when contrasted with the numerous elven holdings.
are their any others in the main book?
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did they nuke the dwarves?
Dwarves got seriously shafted in 4th. After the potential inspiration of the thunder blessing and the fact that dwarves could be spellcasters now, I was really hoping for a named dwarvern wizard that would scare the hell out of ya. Instead they basically brought them back to 2nd edition, bordering on extinction. In fact, as far as I can tell, there are pretty much only 2 enclaves left: the east rift and mithral hall. It was very disappointing to put it mildly, especially when contrasted with the numerous elven holdings.
are their any others in the main book?
Where did you get all that, Shades?
Citadels Adbar and Felbarr stand (FRCG, p. 146) , as do many other dwarven communities throughout Faerûn (FRCG, passim), such as the remnant Shanatarran enclave of Iltkazar (FRCG, p. 234). Dwarves are also known to live in Returned Abeir--the Forgefires community in Fimbrul is one example (FRCG, p. 209).
Dwarves, of course, can still be spellcasters of either the arcane or divine type as there are no racial limitations to character class in 4th Edition (PHB, pp. 36-37, and passim Chapter 4). One named dwarven wizard that would certainly scare the hell out of most of the players in my campaign is Dorim Cragwatcher, the cruel Red Wizard based in the Rose Keep at Veltalar, in Aglarond (Dragon #367, pp. 41-49).
Finally, as for "extinction" and whether the Thunder Blessing still holds, consider the words of the dwarven gladiator Bellaril, who has eight brothers and who replies to a companion's query about whether her family was unusually prolific by saying "Not so much these days" (Mistshore, p. 253).
Trust Bob Salvatore to name a dwarf after a prostitute...
Are you serious?
strum·pet /ˈstrʌmpɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[struhm-pit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
a prostitute; harlot.
[Origin: 1300–50; ME < ?]
Oh... wait... thats a Dwarf-in-law. :embarrass
Hey, Seeker_Of_Truth, if you narrow your selection down, I'll go look some dwarves up for you.
Trust Bob Salvatore to name a dwarf after a prostitute...
-Is that better, or worse, than a muffin head?
Regis and Cattie Brie (Cathy Lee) is probably the worst example of his sense of humour.
It would e something if he actually used Faerûnian naming conventions.
Regis and Cattie Brie (Cathy Lee) is probably the worst example of his sense of humour.
Well, to be fair, given the timing of the release of his first novel and what I believe were separate editorial offices for games and fiction, the first book in Douglas Niles' Moonshae Trilogy, with its clear basis in the legends and folklore of Celtic Wales, might have been pretty much all that Salvatore had to use as a model other than "core D&D products." I kind of think I read an interview with him that suggested that, but I can't be sure.
Anyway, I'm not saying that those names are good or bad--but oh yeah, they're definitely not derived from Thorass!--just that there was a lot of odd inconsistencies and other fun weird stuff about those first late eighties products. For example, the introduction to the Cyclopedia of the Realms, the FRCG of its day and written in Elminster's voice, says "The Forgotten Realms are very similar to the Earth of the 13th and 14th centuries." Try saying that to some Realms fans today and they'll assume you're delivering an insult! :D
Regis and Cattie Brie (Cathy Lee) is probably the worst example of his sense of humour.
-You know...That never, once, dawned on me, the similarities.
Well, to be fair, given the timing of the release of his first novel and what I believe were separate editorial offices for games and fiction, the first book in Douglas Niles' Moonshae Trilogy, with its clear basis in the legends and folklore of Celtic Wales, might have been pretty much all that Salvatore had to use as a model other than "core D&D products." I kind of think I read an interview with him that suggested that, but I can't be sure.
Anyway, I'm not saying that those names are good or bad--but oh yeah, they're definitely not derived from Thorass!--just that there was a lot of odd inconsistencies and other fun weird stuff about those first late eighties products. For example, the introduction to the Cyclopedia of the Realms, the FRCG of its day and written in Elminster's voice, says "The Forgotten Realms are very similar to the Earth of the 13th and 14th centuries." Try saying that to some Realms fans today and they'll assume you're delivering an insult! :D
Well, my medieval history is a little rusty. Did the 13th and 14th centuries have network morning talk shows featuring sweatshop clothing line mavens?
Hah! Not to my knowledge (though I suppose somebody could probably dig up an historical analogue to a sweatshop clothing line maven if they were generous enough with their research parameters). But yeah, puns show up in a lot of Realms fiction, by lots of different authors, that's for sure.
Another thing that definitely isn't to be found in 14th century Earth history that we can find in 14th century Realmslore is a dwarven homeland, which is what we're supposed to be talking about. I found another possibility for the original poster, vastly different from those already mentioned. Baldur's Gate! The region and race based neighborhoods described at page 82 of the FRPG could make for a fascinating background--think of an urban dwarven enclave with elders desperate to hang on to traditional ways while their children are growing up in one of the largest cities in the world.
If I remember correctly, Strumpet is young, so unless she was killed by the spellplague, she oughta be around
Stumpet.
Stumpet.
Suuure, Obet A. Salvatoe.
Suuure, Obet A. Salvatoe.
He wrote about that dak elf Dizzt Do'Uden, didn't he? ;)
He wrote about that dak elf Dizzt Do'Uden, didn't he? ;)
Yes, and Bueno Battlehamme of Mithil Hall. And Wulfga the babaian.
Yes, and Bueno Battlehamme of Mithil Hall. And Wulfga the babaian.
:D I loved that stoy. :D
Asfar as realmslore dwarven clerics. Hmm. Does it have to be a cleric? I am guessing Raryn from the Year of Lost Dragons would still be around, if he doesn't die at the end of the third book (haven't read it yet). I am not a huge fan of how the dwarves get treated in the novels, particularly the Salvato(r)e ones - Dwarves are way too cool to be first and foremost comic relief. Tolkien had a great balance between cthonic beings of myth and pathos and short bearded dervishes, and I felt like the FRCS and Races of Faerun were trying to go in this direction and the novels had a hard time catching up.
My advice to the OP is to create one yourself, give him/her a backstory tying him/her into the 1300s realms - maybe s/he was a member of the thunder twin generation, or one of the folks who retook citadel feldbarr, or one of the dwarves involved in the reconquest of Shanatar. That way you could tie her/him into the whole epic history of the dwarves of Faerun and flesh out the details of his/her character according to your whims and the exigencies of your campaign.
No! I was picking on the author, not you. I don't think your misspelling was all that innacurate.
Same here, I was poking fun at Salvatore not anyone here.
Ahem, back on topic. Has Salvatore had one dwarf that wasn't comic relief?
I am very dissapointed in all of you! When someone misspells something, you RIP THEM INTO TINY LITTLE PEICES AND SAVOR THEIR SUFFERING! LAUGHING AS THEY CRY!
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Has Salvatore had one dwarf that wasn't comic relief?
-Yes. Bruenor Battlehammer, for example.
-Many are seen as comic relief characters because of either: (A) Their names (Cordio Muffinhead), or how they act (Athrogate). Or both, I guess (Twibbledorf Pwent).
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Countdown to my head exploding, right?
Countdown to my head exploding, right?
Actually I thought somebody would jump in and say something about the misspelling in your post, and I'm happy to have been wrong about that.
I get the feeling that I'm being picked on for accidentally misspelling Stumpet's name. . .
You're being picked on for principle.
I, for one, applaud the masses.
Got a pickle for me EB? :D
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