Luruar and the Silver Marches

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#1

teo89

Dec 29, 2009 12:34:54
I don't know what you think about it, but i was a little disappointed when i read that the Silver Marches are now known as Luruar... I have have never read that name in the 3.5 edition, so it sounds like a revolution to me!
Talking about the changes from 3.5 ed, on one hand i am happy that the Silver Marches survived during the Spellplague (not like Neverwinter...RIP) but on the other hand i think that the confederation is much weaker now without the dwarven citadels.
I have the Silver Marches guide of the previous edition, and at that time (both when i bought it and in 1372, the previous edition's year in the game) i thought that the Silver Marches would become a great power in Faerun.
What do you think about new Luruar? With Netheril restored and the threat of the Kingdom of Many Arrows, the North have never seemed such dangerous to me before...
#2

Bluenose

Dec 29, 2009 12:49:07
I don't know what you think about it, but i was a little disappointed when i read that the Silver Marches are now known as Luruar... I have have never read that name in the 3.5 edition, so it sounds like a revolution to me!
Talking about the changes from 3.5 ed, on one hand i am happy that the Silver Marches survived during the Spellplague (not like Neverwinter...RIP) but on the other hand i think that the confederation is much weaker now without the dwarven citadels.
I have the Silver Marches guide of the previous edition, and at that time (both when i bought it and in 1372, the previous edition's year in the game) i thought that the Silver Marches would become a great power in Faerun.
What do you think about new Luruar? With Netheril restored and the threat of the Kingdom of Many Arrows, the North have never seemed such dangerous to me before...



It always seemed like a slightly artificial grouping to me, considering the differing interests of the states involved. The main unifying factors seemed to be the entirely personal effect of Alustriel, and a common defence against orc hordes. Now Alustrial is gone, but you've got an orc horde and you're living in peace with it. That reduces the reasons to stay together. I'm not inclined to think the Silver Marches ever had 'great power' potential, partly because of the lack of common interests outside defence, but mostly because there really isn't much population compared to other places.

As for the North being more dangerous, I think that's kind of the point. It is one of the dangerous areas, but where there is danger there is also opportunity. If your PCs become the ambassadors who ensure Many Arrows fights with Luruar against the threat of Netheril, it's an opportunity. If they manage to upset the orcs enough, it's something else.
#3

teo89

Dec 29, 2009 12:56:32
I'm not inclined to think the Silver Marches ever had 'great power' potential, partly because of the lack of common interests outside defence, but mostly because there really isn't much population compared to other places.



So why did WotC even release an entire book about it? Maybe i was ingenuous in hoping a future og power for Silverymoon...but i still think that 4E damaged Luruar too much.
#4

LordManshoon

Dec 29, 2009 13:01:22
What do you think about new Luruar? With Netheril restored and the threat of the Kingdom of Many Arrows, the North have never seemed such dangerous to me before...

I actually like it now as much as I did a century ago. It's been over a year now (IRL), and I still personally have yet to add my own new lore to the region in my own Realms, but I'm interested in Luruar, and I think there are plenty of opportunities to exploit when playing there in 1479 DR. The agendas of the dwarven citadels seem like great political hooks; there's a lot that can be done with the relationships between the proud, stubborn dwarves and their more open-minded human neighbors (and of course, their grunting, tusked enemies). The Kingdom of Many-Arrows is interesting, too. I know most people aren't too pleased with the notion of a kingdom of orcs in the middle of the "civilized" peoples' lands, but I think it could be fun to divide the feelings of the orcs into several factions which would vie for supremacy. This struggle within the kingdom would deal with MA's interaction with the surrounding lands, and whether the kingdom should strive for peace, war, or neutrality. Also, I'm kind of glad to see someone else calling the shots in Silverymoon. Don't get me wrong: I'm not pleased to see Alustriel dead (and in my own game, she's still alive and simply retired), but I'll be interested to see what, if any, attention is given to the new power-players in Silverymoon. Personally, I think RAS will probably cover this at some point in the future, given his fascination with the region. So, all in all, 4E Silverymoon gets the thumbs-up from me.

#5

18DELTA

Dec 29, 2009 14:11:16
I am surprized no one has mentioned it but this is what the Candlekeep FAQ says

3.14. What's Luruar? It's not on my map...

Luruar is the new confederation in the North, formed and headed by Alustriel of Silverymoon. It debuted, unnamed, in the North boxed set, and was named by a vote of gamers at Gen Con 1997. The first appearance of Luruar in print was in an article by Steven Schend in the DRAGON Annual #1. Luruar is now known as the Silver Marches.


 


3.14.1. Where are the Silver Marches? What happened to Luruar?

Steven Schend explained:


The name chosen at GenCon 95 was Luruar, in honor of Lurue, the patron goddess of the area and the city (well, one of five but the most prominent in worship).


It was decided that Luruar was too hard to pronounce and thus the change to The Silver Marches. Personally, that's okay for a political name; I still call the general area/terrain the Moonlands myself....



FYI.
#6

18DELTA

Dec 29, 2009 14:23:51
Here is the link: www.candlekeep.com/fr_faq.htm

#7

teo89

Dec 29, 2009 14:37:53
Here is the link: www.candlekeep.com/fr_faq.htm




Thnks for the answer and the link! I didn't find it the first time i checked. It seems that the authors did a step back insead of forward: if they found "Luruar" too difficult to pronounce, then why did they use it again? Silver Marches was much more interesting and epic to me...
#8

18DELTA

Dec 29, 2009 16:53:06
Different set of designers...
#9

The_Silversword

Dec 29, 2009 20:11:40
I thought Luruar was made up for 4e, I had no idea it was an older name predating the Silver Marches. Good lookin out Delta! It seems alot of the things i thought they made up for 4e Realms actually existed or at least has its roots in the older Realms.
#10

18DELTA

Dec 29, 2009 20:30:32
You would be surprized what you will find out at candlekeep.
#11

JudgeDookie

Dec 31, 2009 15:53:42
FYI.



(Spits coffee all over his floor)

Sweet bejebuz porking a ****.  

Did you just do that?

Who is that masked man!!   
#12

18DELTA

Dec 31, 2009 16:10:16
#13

JudgeDookie

Dec 31, 2009 16:18:24
Well, first off, I was like:

Then I did a double take and was like:  

Then I was like, wait:  

And then it was like:

And, so, after I figured out the ruse, I was like:  

And then, realizing it was you, I was just like:

Hope that explains it, noodlenut.
#14

18DELTA

Dec 31, 2009 23:42:17



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