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| #1Splurch1Oct 06, 2008 9:47:24 | Has anyone tried to make a Moonblade or is there a set of stats I have not seen yet? Thanks |
| #2blowfishOct 06, 2008 9:59:43 | I don't think 3.x ever had a version of the moonblade. If someone would be so kind as to describe what the 2e moonblade did we could build a 4e one together. It shouldn't be too hard to do and I would like to have a moon themed weapon in the game. |
| #3ethanonOct 06, 2008 18:55:50 | There is a Moonbane mentioned in the starting adventure in the back of the DMG. And since I used that as the start for my campaign I created a weapon to fit it's shoes. Maybe you'll like it, maybe you won't, but this is what I came up with. I've added the backstory of my campaign to give you an idea of why it is the way it is. The Lore of the Shadow Keeper The Shadow Keeper was once the being that allowed the passing of souls between the worlds. Not only did he pass the souls from The World to their Gods realms, but also to permit the unclaimed soul’s access to the Far Realm. In Sigil, the City of Doors there exists the Temple of the Shadows. Deep below there lies a labyrinth of unimaginable complexity, and at its very heart lies a chamber that contains gateways between all of the levels of existence. The gateways were called The Shadow Gates. Full understanding of this chamber and its workings is unknown save the inhabitants of the temple and of the Lady of Pain, the enigmatic ruler of Sigil. The Moonbane is one of the artifacts, and the Cult of Orcus is after them for dire deeds. So Here's the aritfact I created. Artifacts Effecting the Story arch: The idea behind these campaign artifacts it that there is enough to give the four primary players each an artifact. They will be geared towards them all, and the artifacts grow stronger along with the players. They are also items that forge the world around them, if the artifacts are not found by the players, then there are dire changes in the world because of them. MOONBANE: Sword of the Shadowkeeper The Sword of the Shadow Keeper (Moonbane) Artifact – Found on the Undead King in Fallcrest |
| #4lord_karsusOct 06, 2008 21:28:45 | -Th |
| #5lord_karsusOct 06, 2008 21:30:21 | I don't think 3.x ever had a version of the moonblade... -Moonblades were given weak stats in Magic of Faerûn. ...It shouldn't be too hard to do and I would like to have a moon themed weapon in the game. -Moonblades aren't actually in any way connected to the moon. They are named as such because they were created specifically for Moon Elves, as a way to determine what Elves were worthy of the throne of Evermeet. |
| #6Splurch1Oct 06, 2008 22:00:16 | Yeah I was thinking about it for a game Im running. (my friends and I have ran the campaign for years). The players and characters have been around for a while and the campaign is actually from 2nd edition. So an important npc has a moonblade and thats why I was wondering. Thanks for the help. And L.K. your netbook is great! |
| #7leowulfOct 06, 2008 22:22:35 | -Moonblades were given weak stats in Magic of Faerûn. Hmmm ... I thought the 3.5 Forgotten Realms setting just said that the Dark Elves who worshipped Elistraee called their bastard sword a moonblade? Was it a specific type of magic sword instead? |
| #8lord_karsusOct 06, 2008 22:24:55 | Hmmm ... I thought the 3.5 Forgotten Realms setting just said that the Dark Elves who worshipped Elistraee called their bastard sword a moonblade? Was it a specific type of magic sword instead? -There's a magic spell called Moonblade (Don't know if it was updated to 3e) that was specific if Eilistraee that created a magical sword sword made out of moonlight that fought and danced around and such, but those aren't Moonblades, as in the actual weapon. Same name, two different things. |
| #9DiffanOct 08, 2008 15:42:33 | For everyone's enjoyement: Moon Blade Evocation Level: Moon 3 Components: V, S, M/DF Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: 0 ft. Effect: A swordlike beam Duration: 1 minute/level (D) Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: Yes A 3-foot-long blazing beam of moonlight springs forth from you hand. You call a swordlike beam of moonlight into your hand. Anyone who can cast moon blade can wield the beam with proficiency. However, if you are proficient with any type of sword, you can wield the beam as if it were any type of sword and thus gain the benefits of special skills such as Weapon Focus. Etc....... Moonblade: These swords, sometimes called elf blades, are heirlooms of noble elven families. Only a few are known to exist, and these are jealously guarded. Still, rumors of dormant moonblades persist. A moonblade is an intelligent sword (usually a longsword) with an enhancement bonus of +1 to +5. A moonblade always has a good alignment (usually neutral good). Etc...... Now, I'm not sure how easy it will be to convert the mechanics of previous moonblade properties, but maybe a starting point would be using the Artifacts section in the DMG? |
| #10lord_karsusOct 08, 2008 16:48:37 | Moonblade: These swords, sometimes called elf blades, are heirlooms of noble elven families. -Moonblades should not be confused with the Elfblades. Or Cormanthyrian Elfblades, either. All different things. Very different. |
| #11DiffanOct 09, 2008 7:44:43 | -Moonblades should not be confused with the Elfblades. Or Cormanthyrian Elfblades, either. All different things. Very different. That I didn't know, but I was para-phrasing the info straight from the Magic of Faerun source book. And, just yesterday my friend showed me a Dragon article on how to craft/make Intelligent items, so maybe Moonblades aren't that far off. |
| #12elven_avengerOct 09, 2008 7:45:43 | -Moonblades were given weak stats in Magic of Faerûn. I think the term "Moon" from the Moonblades, is also related to the fact that they use a Moonstone to place the blade's magic powers in it. |
| #13lord_karsusOct 09, 2008 9:51:57 | That I didn't know, but I was para-phrasing the info straight from the Magic of Faerun source book. -Moonblades: Weapons crafted to determine proper succession of the royal crown of Evermeet, as one was the "Kingblade". -Elfblades: Three famous blades of Cormanthyr to determine rulership of the nation, as well as Spell Major and Arms Major. -Cormanthyrian Elfblades: Keen +1 Longswords. I think the term "Moon" from the Moonblades, is also related to the fact that they use a Moonstone to place the blade's magic powers in it. -Right. |
| #14christopher_roweOct 09, 2008 19:50:59 | -Moonblades: Weapons crafted to determine proper succession of the royal crown of Evermeet, as one was the "Kingblade". That's interesting. So that Elaine Cunningham story I read the other day with the half-elf character, Arilyn--that character was in the line of succession? |
| #15ProinOct 10, 2008 3:43:18 | That's interesting. So that Elaine Cunningham story I read the other day with the half-elf character, Arilyn--that character was in the line of succession? Arilyn Moonblade is the grandaughter of Queen Amlauril Moonflower. Arilyn's is not the kingblade and since one can't inheret two moonblades she is not part of the succession, even assuming the sun elves wood allow a half elf to take the throne |
| #16TheriseOct 10, 2008 8:01:27 | Arilyn Moonblade is the grandaughter of Queen Amlauril Moonflower. Grand-niece, actually, not granddaughter. |
| #17lord_karsusOct 10, 2008 10:23:03 | That's interesting. So that Elaine Cunningham story I read the other day with the half-elf character, Arilyn--that character was in the line of succession? -Read the books and find out. Show No, no she was not. The King of Evermeet had already been discovered long before she was born. Her Moonblade judged her a worthy wielder, however, and continued to function. |
| #18lord_karsusOct 10, 2008 10:23:36 | Grand-niece, actually, not granddaughter. -No, it was granddaughter. Amlauril --> Amnestria --> Arilyn |
| #19rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 10, 2008 11:12:42 | Arilyn's is not the kingblade and since one can't inheret two moonblades she is not part of the succession, even assuming the sun elves wood allow a half elf to take the throne Even Arilyn's own family (ie. Amlaruil herself) most likely wouldn't like the idea of Arilyn being in line for the throne of Evermeet. The Moonflowers wouldn't even comfort Arilyn when they visited Evereska to pay their respects to Arilyn's mother (after she died). |
| #20rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 10, 2008 11:15:24 |
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| #21lord_karsusOct 10, 2008 11:28:25 | Even Arilyn's own family (ie. Amlaruil herself) most likely wouldn't like the idea of Arilyn being in line for the throne of Evermeet. The Moonflowers wouldn't even comfort Arilyn when they visited Evereska to pay their respects to Arilyn's mother (after she died). -She's a Half-Elf. She shouldn't (and rightly so) be allowed to even walk on Evermeet. -(Lynnae not withstanding, of course). LK, edit your sblock.;) -Yeah, I saw that, thank you. |
| #22DiffanOct 10, 2008 16:59:41 | -She's a Half-Elf. She shouldn't (and rightly so) be allowed to even walk on Evermeet. I'm guessing Lynnae was the half-elf warmage that went with Seiveril on his Crusade? |
| #23lord_karsusOct 10, 2008 17:25:39 | I'm guessing Lynnae was the half-elf warmage that went with Seiveril on his Crusade? -No, Lynnae is Rin's D&D character. |
| #24DiffanOct 10, 2008 17:30:29 | -No, Lynnae is Rin's D&D character. Haha, ok. Well, if I recall the Last Mythal series, there was a half-elf warmage on Evermeet that traveled with Seiveril and I think a few more that might make up for Evermeet's missing 1% population |
| #25lord_karsusOct 10, 2008 17:34:38 | Haha, ok. -There is a very small select group of N'Tel'Quessir who have been to Evermeet before, or even live on Evermeet. They're usually very important people, like, say, a former King of Cormyr, or Khelben, but there's also all kinds of 'nobodies' who have access- the sea Captain Macumail, a bunch of Centaurs and other Fey/Sylvan creatures living on the island, and so on. -I am all for the racial purity of Evermeet as an Elven-only enclave, however. Fey/Sylvan creatures not withstanding. |
| #26rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 10, 2008 19:35:04 | -She's a Half-Elf. She shouldn't (and rightly so) be allowed to even walk on Evermeet. :D -Yeah, I saw that, thank you. You're welcome. ![]() |
| #27rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 10, 2008 19:36:53 | -There is a very small select group of N'Tel'Quessir who have been to Evermeet before, or even live on Evermeet. They're usually very important people, like, say, a former King of Cormyr, or Khelben, but there's also all kinds of 'nobodies' who have access- the sea Captain Macumail, a bunch of Centaurs and other Fey/Sylvan creatures living on the island, and so on. Yup, and that half-elven warmage (don't remember his name, but I remember the character) was just another nobody. ![]() :P |
| #28TheriseOct 10, 2008 20:23:02 | -No, it was granddaughter. Really? All this time, I thought Amlaruil and Amnestria were sisters. |
| #29lord_karsusOct 10, 2008 20:31:15 | Yup, and that half-elven warmage (don't remember his name, but I remember the character) was just another nobody. -I believe his name was Jeremy Hillary Boob, Phd. Really? All this time, I thought Amlaruil and Amnestria were sisters. -Nope. Amnestria was her second to last child, and her last daughter. |
| #30TheriseOct 10, 2008 20:36:21 | -Nope. Amnestria was her second to last child, and her last daughter. Wow, weird... all this time I was under the wrong impression. This changes the entire way that I look back at those novels. Makes Arilyn's story even more poignant for me. |
| #31christopher_roweOct 11, 2008 7:23:10 | So, back to the topic at hand, do all the various moonblades have different capabilities, then? |
| #32lord_karsusOct 11, 2008 9:40:52 | -Yes. |
| #33christopher_roweOct 11, 2008 11:08:30 | Wow, that's an interesting way to choose to answer that question! ![]() In the interest of not provoking further one-word posts, I'll avoid trying to formulate a bullet-proof question and simply state that I'm interested in what the various characteristics of the different blades might be, and would enjoy seeing a discussion about them. Here. In this discussion topic designated for discussing moonblades. |
| #34lord_karsusOct 11, 2008 11:14:25 | -Don't get snippy. -Moonblades have varying powers. No two are alike. |
| #35DiffanOct 12, 2008 10:42:56 | For example, Arilyn's moonblade can create an Elfshadow. Other various blades offer protection from fire or have spell resistance, etc. Though I don't think the Magic of Faerun book made them out to be the great weapons they are, I think they're all at least Intelligent items. Were you looking for a way to make them in 4e or just a general borad idea of what they do with no game mechanics? |
| #36lord_karsusOct 12, 2008 10:47:15 | -No, Magic of Faerûn definitely mangled them. I've been putting off the Elves of Faerûn article about them. Someone else was supposed to do it, and then they disappeared, and I started it, but I migrated to other things... |
| #37christopher_roweOct 12, 2008 10:51:51 | For example, Arilyn's moonblade can create an Elfshadow. Other various blades offer protection from fire or have spell resistance, etc. Though I don't think the Magic of Faerun book made them out to be the great weapons they are, I think they're all at least Intelligent items. Were you looking for a way to make them in 4e or just a general borad idea of what they do with no game mechanics? I guess the latter in service to the former. I think that was the original poster's intention, or part of it, maybe--to "stat up' the Moonblades. The recent article on intelligent weapons should come in handy. Maybe we could start with a list of the places where the Moonblades abilities are described, both in terms of older rules sets (gaming sources) and via narrative (fiction sources). As I mentioned, I just read one of Elaine Cunningham's Arilyn and Danilo story called "The Bargain" in the Realms of Valor anthology. So that would be a source, though in this case, none of the blades abilities are particularly evident (because they weren't really necessary for that story, I imagine). |
| #38DiffanOct 12, 2008 11:06:52 | Well, I guess the first place to start for the history on Moonblades would be Evermeet: Island of Elves by Elaine Cunningham. This not only gives you info on how and why there were created, but some useful game info on what some of them do. Other novel sources would include Elaine's Songs and Swords novels featuring Arilyn, but you really only see what her moonblade does. I'm not certain if any novel covers what Elaith's moonblade does and of course there's also some game info on Xan's moonblade from the original Baldur's Gate game. It's not canon, but there is some fun history in there you might wanna use anyways. As for making moonblades in 4e, I'd probably go with your idea and use the Intelligent Items article for starters. |
| #39naexOct 12, 2008 18:41:23 | There was also a Moonblade in the Baldur's Gate game. Can't remember the abilities. |
| #40TheriseOct 12, 2008 20:07:01 | There was also a Moonblade in the Baldur's Gate game. Can't remember the abilities. Ah, Xan's moonblade. Did we ever really know? Seems like it was only equippable by Xan himself, but I really can't remember. |
| #41lord_karsusOct 12, 2008 22:21:20 | -Note that, unless Mr. Xan's Moonblade appears in the Baldur's Gate novel, it doesn't exist in the canon Forgotten Realms. |
| #42DiffanOct 13, 2008 7:07:01 | -Note that, unless Mr. Xan's Moonblade appears in the Baldur's Gate novel, it doesn't exist in the canon Forgotten Realms. Alas, no. Xan met an untimely end in the Cloak Wood by being decapitated by a large spider. There was no mention of him using a Moonblade OR him even being a wizard. I blame Philip Athans. I will, however, stat Xan's Moonblade and canon be damned. |
| #43lord_karsusOct 13, 2008 18:03:28 | -Never read the book, never played the game. I'm just happy my 50/50 guess was right, and that Xan was a man, and not a woman. |
| #44DiffanOct 15, 2008 8:39:33 | -Never read the book, never played the game. I'm just happy my 50/50 guess was right, and that Xan was a man, and not a woman. The book was "meh" mainly because so many cool NPCs were either killed off, not mentioned, or vaguely referenced. The game though was (and still is) alot of fun as are the expansions. I also like the books of lore/info your character can pick up and read through out the game. Neat stuff. |
| #45christopher_roweOct 15, 2008 10:12:57 | Maybe the first thing to do would be to assemble a list of all the works of fiction and gaming products where Moonblades are described in such a way that would be useful for someone writing up 4e magic item style entry for them? So, I know from my recent reading that wouldn't include Elaine Cunningham's "The Bargain," but it sounds like it should include her novel Evermeet: Island of Elves and some (all?) entries in her Songs and Swords series. Which particular novels in Songs and Swords give significant, non-redundant narrative descriptions of the physical appearance and powers of one or more of the Moonblades? Which gaming sourcebooks provide significant, non-redundant information about the physical appearance and powers of one or more of the Moonblades? What other sources should be on such a list? |
| #46ProinOct 15, 2008 22:37:05 | Which particular novels in Songs and Swords give significant, non-redundant narrative descriptions of the physical appearance and powers of one or more of the Moonblades? first and third. third only because one of the blade's abilities at the end of the first is replaced. spoiler the feature that allows Danilo Thann to touch the blade disappears and is replaced by the ability for the sword to glow green when the wood or wild (can't remember which) elves of... Calimshan? I think?... are threatened. |
| #47ellrosOct 16, 2008 0:25:45 | -Moonblades aren't actually in any way connected to the moon. They are named as such because they were created specifically for Moon Elves, as a way to determine what Elves were worthy of the throne of Evermeet. More specifically... Whether or not they were worthy of being the Leader of their noble house. Moonblades were heirlooms and symbols of the Noble House. The blade tested the heir and would reject those it felt were unworthy. The 2nd Ed supplements Cormanthyr and Fall of Myth Drannor have information and history on Moonblades that can be adapted to 4th ed. (Both of which can be found in the Old Edition Downloads btw). |
| #48christopher_roweOct 16, 2008 9:01:59 | Thanks, Proin and Ellros. I'll get to reading! |
| #49StiggerOct 17, 2008 5:26:31 | The Elves of Evermeet from 2e gave a chart on how to roll for the various abilities that a moonblade might posses, in the magical items section. As has been said, the 3e version was in Magic of Faerun, but it was a toned down version of the 2e list that made them much weaker than had been implied previously. Encyclopedia Magica from 2e might have something on them, but its likely a reprint of what was in TEoE if its actually there. Can't recall anything else that hasn't been mentioned though. |
| #50rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 20, 2008 12:30:54 | -I believe his name was Jeremy Hillary Boob, Phd. Yes, that was it. ![]() |
| #51rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 20, 2008 12:34:38 | Ah, Xan's moonblade. Did we ever really know? Seems like it was only equippable by Xan himself, but I really can't remember. That's correct, only Xan can use it. To top it all off, Xan is a single-classed mage with lowish physical stats, so the moonblade winds up being rather ineffectual anyway (send him into melee combat, and odds are he'll just get killed). ![]() Note (to all) that I am talking about the BG CRPG, not the novel. ![]() |
| #52rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 20, 2008 12:38:14 | The book was "meh" mainly because so many cool NPCs were either killed off, not mentioned, or vaguely referenced. And if they were mentioned, their descriptions weren't particularly true to the game. The game though was (and still is) alot of fun as are the expansions. I also like the books of lore/info your character can pick up and read through out the game. Neat stuff. Seconded, on all points! I should mention though that I first played the game about a year after it came out. Someone picking up the game for the first time now might find it rather dated, thanks to the relatively slow pace as well as the graphics. |
| #53rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 20, 2008 12:46:36 |
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