I'm at work now..but if you have questions..post here, will answer when I get home and can go through it.
Regards,
Sanjay
-My First Question is about Abier, what is the DEAL with it. Details please
-Whats is up with Mask and Erevis Cale.
-Is Artemis Entrei(sp) still around
-Thanks.
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And (for Rauric and Mr Misc), why would you want to get it at all?
this book must have arrived very early.
THe DMG was the same way BUT The MM and DMG came to me a few days late.
Sanjay
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I'll assume you used Chapters as well. :D
Mines in, and I'm tentatively parusing as I type.
-RW
blu-rays we get from amazon.ca/com/ebay, but D&D books, i want the chance of getting them super early, so chapters :P
Greater:
amaunator
asmodeus
bane
chauntea
corellon
cyric
ghaunadaur
gruumsh
kelemvor
lolth
moradin
oghma
selune
shar
silvanus
sune
tempus
torm
gods (weaker than the above):
angharradh
auril
bahamut
berronar truesilver
beshaba
garl glittergold
gond
ilmater
loviatar
luthic
mielikki
sheela peryroyl
sseth
talona
tiamat
tymora
umberlee
waukeen
zehir
primordials:
akadi
bazim-gorag
grumbar
istishia
kossuth
there are also exarchs which, from the names i recognize (Obould, Fzoul Chembryl), appear to be champions or heroes (to use a warhammer term) for specific gods/beliefs? not sure..haven't read the section yet.
The archdevils are listed since devil worship has a paragraph in the chapter.
Bel
Dispater
Mammon
Belial
Levistus
Glasya
Baalzebul
Mephistopheles
Regards,
Sanjay
Is it just me or have we lost Aerdrie, Hanali and Sehanine to a permanent Angharradh?
P.S. Chosen?
I have found over the last few years that I am not emotionally committed to the NPCs, regions and gods of the setting. So this "detachment" lets me go with the flow when it comes to the changes. I like Mask, if he was killed off I may still pick up the main sourcebook if I liked the other things inside it. Plus it may have new monsters in it that as a DM I can use for my games that do not deal with FR.
This does not make me better or any nonsense like that. I understand why folks do not like the changes. I just never understood why people cannot see why other may like the changes.
If it was just a reprint of the 2E and 3E books then I would just stick with Eberron this go around.
I agree with this.
.. and i dont even like Eberron.
We have a whole lot of reprints already.
in response to someone else in another thread: I didn't see ANY paragon paths or epic destinies. I think that stuff will be in the players guide.
This book has bunch new monsters, but sadly, no Phaerimm...I believe i read they are to be extinct at this point in time (or beleived all dead)...
No new feats either..although some magic items are there. Didn't see a spell section.
it mentions high magic, in that they are VERY powerful ritual based spells that can destroy continents, etc..but they need 10+ or something elven/eladrin wizards to do...
No high magic rituals are listed that I can find.
Sanjay
-Thanks. So is it Chapters.com? How much was the book? :D
$30 CDN, $35 CDN with shipping, though over $39 has free shipping. Might cost more though shipping to the states.
-RW
I imagine this Zheir creature is Set combined with all the World Serpent fragments. So much for my Okothian Sarruhk plotlines.
[edit: no, I see Sseth there. My confusion is palpable)
Cool. No Mask but monsters I can use. No worries.
Lame, monster are easy to design. Characters are not.
No Mask???? That's my favourite god, daamit!
i would guess he was absorbed/killed/slaved by shar... as someone had suggested on another thread.
Anyway they may be waiting to add him into the world after Kemps novels are finished. Or he is just no more. If he is not and I need him to tell a story then I will just add him into my game.
Maybe Shar eats him. Or, maybe Kezef catches up to him and finishes the job. :D
Same with the details on abeir and the rest.
I leave work around 3:30 pm...may not go to the gym today (sore) so can be home around 4 pm or so if I don't go (otherwise home aroun 5:15)
Sanjay
@ Merrick If it was just a reprint of the 2E and 3E books then I would just stick with Eberron this go around. The new campaign book has enough of the old FR to reamain the Realms to me but has enough new aspects to it to make me want to purchase it. That is all.
I have found over the last few years that I am not emotionally committed to the NPCs, regions and gods of the setting. So this "detachment" lets me go with the flow when it comes to the changes. I like Mask, if he was killed off I may still pick up the main sourcebook if I liked the other things inside it. Plus it may have new monsters in it that as a DM I can use for my games that do not deal with FR.
This does not make me better or any nonsense like that. I understand why folks do not like the changes. I just never understood why people cannot see why other may like the changes.
I was just busting chops, Raur. I hope enjoy the new setting. Unlike you, I too damned attached to the old to be anything other than totally ticked off
Though, maybe they're still doing that - who knows.
I was just busting chops, Raur. I hope enjoy the new setting. Unlike you, I too damned attached to the old to be anything other than totally ticked off
I figured. ;) I also know some people cannot understand why I like the idea for the changes.
I do not agree with people who dislike the changes but I understand the people feelings.
Shar is the new Mystra in 4.0 but even stronger
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-Never mind. (Goes and gets some Popcorn and settles in for a fun ride watching this thread blow up into a flamewar)
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-RW
No mention of Red Knight?
Red Knight is in, as an Exarch/ Demigod.
Interestingly enough, Obould is a demigod now too.
-RW
yup, chapters.......lunch break so i can type the god list right now i think:
[...]
sseth
[...]
Seing him really surprises me. I though that Set was slowly consuming his divine power for himself.
Maybe the destructions of Set's main worshipper base during the merging with Abeir weakened Set enought for Sseth to wake up and consume Set instead.
PS: Or they simply retconned Sseth and Set to have always been the same entity
Or they simply retconned Sseth and Set to have always been the same entity
This is my bet. The reason Set is gone is probably because they got rid of the rest of the Mulhorandi Pantheon as a separate group (along with all the others).
Originally posted by Brian R. James
[br]Zehir is news to me. Sseth(Set) was intended to be the serpent god in the 4E Realms. I suspect Zehir was tacked on because of the NWN2 expansion Storm of Zehir. Seems odd to have two serpent themed deities when the plan was to not overlap portfolios.
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Red Knight is in, as an Exarch/ Demigod.
Interestingly enough, Obould is a demigod now too.
-RW
Thank ye much.
Interestingly enough, Obould is a demigod now too.
-RW
Which one?;)
Can someone tell us what the deal is with Elturgard?
They are a theocracy of those certain they walk the path of righteousness. Torm is the primary god, and Paladins dictate the order of it all.
-RW
What do you want to know?
They are a theocracy of those certain they walk the path of righteousness. Torm is the primary god, and Paladins dictate the order of it all.
-RW
Well, that rather explains what I wanted to know (what the heck it all was). What cities does it encompass?
Thanks again.
What do you want to know?
They are a theocracy of those certain they walk the path of righteousness. Torm is the primary god, and Paladins dictate the order of it all.
-RW
-Sounds good to know that Cormyr might have an ally on its left flank! So what about the Well of Dragons in that Area?
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Well, that rather explains what I wanted to know (what the heck it all was). What cities does it encompass?
Thanks again.
It's very small, located just south of Boreskyr bridge. The "Realm" encompases Elturel, Iriaebor, Scornubel, Triel, and Bedusk. They have failed to bring Iriaebor fully under their sway, though Merchants accept bribes from the Paladin rulers, and allow their knights to stay within their homes for "Protection"
-RW
It's very small, located just south of Boreskyr bridge. The "Realm" encompases Elturel, Iriaebor, Scornubel, Triel, and Bedusk. They have failed to bring Iriaebor fully under their sway, though Merchants accept bribes from the Paladin rulers, and allow their knights to stay within their homes for "Protection"
-RW
Thanks for the information, I appreciate it.
As for that area of the Realms, I still like my own version of the region better.
please ask questions there.
Sanjay
please ask questions there.
Well, we know that Mask is not on the list of current deities, but does the FRCS mention anything about why he is no longer around (e.g. if he has been killed and if yes by whom)?
Thank you in advance for your efforts answering our questions when you could lie on your couch and be devouring the info from your FRCS for your own pleasure instead of ours.
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Regards,
Sanjay
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-Any thing on Eltab?
Alt Tab?
I believe he's been rolled into Ctrl-Alt-Del now. ;)
Did she change the protector of halflings in some sense? And if you come across it, what happend to Brandobaris?
You'll only hurt yourself.
Oh, I'm going to be ticked if Mask really is gone.
Most likely, Mask was either absorbed into Shar - or has "always been" an aspect of Shar (as a retcon). That's given the current designers' trend, anyway.
At least we don't have to buy the last Everis Cale novel now.
Or ANY other, for that matter...
Well, we also now know that they have killed every god having to do with magic (Mystra, Azuth, Savras, etc.). Guess they had to ruin any hope of a new god of magic.
-Azuth isn't dead. He's just gone.
-Azuth isn't dead. He's just gone.
-Well Azuth was flung into the 9th Hell and Asmo killed him and took his stuff. :P
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-Well Azuth was flung into the 9th Hell and Asmo killed him and took his stuff. :P
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-Yes, I know, I just read. Of course, AGHotR said that he was flung into the Astral Plane, not The Nine Hells. Is a little internal consistency that hard?
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-Well the Nine Hells is in the Astral Plane now.
-Waitwhat?
-That is another reason why there is no Blood War in 4E, yet The Primordials vs The Gods can replace it.
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:: Stops ::
::Walks away ::
-And get only 25% of that stuff's value! :P
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Fer serious - everyone knows that you vendor all non-purplez lewts in
I don't suppose Sharess survived somehow?
BTW, please use the Huzzah thread, instead of both threads having similar discussion :P
Sanjay
-You know what's interesting? Paul Kemp said that there was nothing in the FRCG that he was aware of that would "ruin" the final book in the Twilight War trilogy...
And I still maintain exactly that. For obvious reasons, I can say nothing more about the content of Shadowrealm than I already have, but I sure hope you will all suspend judgment (as much as possible) until the book is released.
And I still maintain exactly that. For obvious reasons, I can say nothing more about the content of Shadowrealm than I already have, but I sure hope you will all suspend judgment (as much as possible) until the book is released.
-Sir, are you attempting to "tease" us? Because, I'll let you know, it won't work! :P
(By the way, the original statement wasn't supposed to be accusative. It was supposed to be a "you know what's interesting" kind of statement.)
(By the way, the original statement wasn't supposed to be accusative. It was supposed to be a "you know what's interesting" kind of statement.)
I did not take it that way, LK. I just wanted to head off at the pass the notion that the FRCS resolved the fates of Mask (and Cale and Riven and ABelar and Rivalen et al.) solely on the basis of the deity role call. Shadowrealm provides that resolution.
I will say, however, that I think there are at least two more entries in the FRCS where hints about the matter are to be found (I think this because I helped tweak those two sections and I'm assuming both sections got in with the tweaks, though I haven't yet seen a final copy).
I take it, then, that we won't get a solid answer on the fate of Mask til december, huh?
GK,
Not from me, at least. Where would the fun in that be, anyway?
:coolcthul
. Much more effective, barring that of course we can try to entice him with a few . If that doesn't work well there is always the Gimp. 
I did not take it that way, LK. I just wanted to head off at the pass the notion that the FRCS resolved the fates of Mask (and Cale and Riven and ABelar and Rivalen et al.) solely on the basis of the deity role call. Shadowrealm provides that resolution.
I will say, however, that I think there are at least two more entries in the FRCS where hints about the matter are to be found (I think this because I helped tweak those two sections and I'm assuming both sections got in with the tweaks, though I haven't yet seen a final copy).
See! As I said, there is always hope.
Thanks for giving some. -Well the Nine Hells is in the Astral Plane now.
Astral Sea.;)
If, paul did say that, then perhaps they left Mask out of the FRCG for that very reason perhaps? Since we don't know whats happening in the end of the book, and since Paul was commission for another trilogy, perhaps Wizards decided to leave Mask out of the book but will put him ina Faiths and Pantheons book in the future to show what has become of him. As him becoming a greater power, or being a regular good, or Exarch would still be spoiling the last book to a degree, wouldn't it?
Eh, that's unlikely, especially considering that (as per Rich) there won't BE a Faiths and Pantheon type of book. At least, no book of that sort is in the cards.
Eh, that's unlikely, especially considering that (as per Rich) there won't BE a Faiths and Pantheon type of book. At least, no book of that sort is in the cards.
But a series of articles about the Realms, with deities as one topic, is definitely in the cards. And a compilation book of those articles at some point isn't necessarily so far-fetched, if demand is great enough.
But a series of articles about the Realms, with deities as one topic, is definitely in the cards. And a compilation book of those articles at some point isn't necessarily so far-fetched, if demand is great enough.
Of course, nothing's impossible. But Rich has definitely stated that no sourcebook on deities is planned, and has not since contradicted that.
Of course, nothing's impossible. But Rich has definitely stated that no sourcebook on deities is planned, and has not since contradicted that.
Sourcebook, no, but that's because no sourcebooks of any kind are planned for any of the campaign settings. Just the three book deal, with support on the DDI.
What I'd recommend to some of you who really want updates to this particular material to make submissions to Dragon. That's the best way to see it in print.
She was on the list of gods posted on another thread, so yes, Sharess is still up and about.
:D Yay the fact the goddess of hedonistic excess survived tells me that there is still hope for 4e. It's a pity that they are splitting the game up into even more books this time around instead of including as much in it per book as possible.
I wonder if Lastai and Scahrossar will appear in 4e. The Xammux has been mentioned, at least a little bit (a strange dungeon entrance near Silverymoon).
Ugg, I think I am gonna be ill. Somebody call that Dwelf waitress over, I need a drink. LK, join me?
-Sure, why not? Can do without the Dwelf waitress, though.
-Sure, why not? Can do without the Dwelf waitress, though.
don't knock it til ya try it
don't knock it til ya try it
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Who do Bahamut and Garl Glittergold serve?
I heard Bahamut serves Torm...Garl..who knows...
I heard Bahamut serves Torm...Garl..who knows...
I did a search and didn't find it answered. One poster believes that's the case, but he didn't know for a fact.
Garl? If I had to venture I guess, I'd say Moradin.
I doubt it, if for no other reason then a question of numbers. Moradin likely already has Berronar Truesilver (Lesser God), Abbathor, Clangeddin Silverbeard, Dugmaren Brightmantle, Marthammor Duin, Thard Harr, and Vergadain serving him (they're all Dwarf gods who served him in 3E and who survived into 4E. It's possible some or all don't serve him, but I've seen no reason to assume so). Doubt that Garl and the other three Gnome gods will be added to that list. Then again, I was wrong about Auril, Malar, and Umberlee serving Gruumsh, so who knows?
DWARF GODS
G: Moradin
L: Berronar Truesilver
D: Abbathor, Clangeddin Silverbeard, Dugmaren Brightmantle, Marthammor Duin, Thard Harr, Vergadain
ELF GODS
G: Corellon
L: Angharradh
D: Deep Sashelas, Erevan Ilesere, Fenmarel Mestarine, Labelas Enoreth, Shevarash, Solonar Thelandira
GNOME GODS
G: ?
L: Garl Glittergold
D: Baervan Wildwanderer, Baravar Cloakshadow, Callarduran Smoothhands
HALFLING GODS
G: ?
L: Sheela Peryroyl
D: Arvoreen, Brandobaris, Cyrrollalee
ORC GODS
G: Gruumsh
L: Luthic
D: Bahgtru, Shargaas
MONSTER RACE GODS
G: ?
L: ?
D: Hruggek (Bugbears), Maglubiyet (Goblins), Vaprak (Ogres & Trolls)
Pure supposition on my part is about to follow:
Given that Yondalla turned out to be Chauntea, Sheela Peryroyl, Arvoreen, Brandobaris, and Cyrrollalee will likely end up in her service. From what was mentioned about Bane and Goblins, Hruggek and Maglubiyet may end up in his service. No idea where Vaprak might end up. Maybe serving Bane or Gruumsh. Only question is where will the Gnome gods go? Without one of their own being a Greater God, they'll have to become subordinate to another. Only question is who.
Incidentally, I organized the demihuman gods by racial pantheons so people could get a hint as to the state of those particular pantheons.
Remember one key thing that has changed in 4e: gods are no longer racial-specific gods. They are simply the deities for all races, who have different aspects/manifestations that certain races revere over others. Different races also have different names/views of the same deity, much like in Dragonlance.
So, Corellon is no longer the elf god, he's the god of the fey.
Only question is where will the Gnome gods go?
My guess is Corellon.
Heck, Faenor from JRRTolkien was a Noldor, which JRR considered the gnomes of legend. They just didnt look like the cute skinny dwarves D&D made them out to be.
But Tolkien's "gnomes" (the Noldor) were actually the elves from which D&D took its own elves... (Well, one type of elf. I mean, from the fact that you're referencing this, you clearly know it - which is why I don't really get your argument. As a side-point, just to be a total pedant: Fëanor was a Noldo. Noldor is the plural form. :D)
Don't get me wrong, i love the little cuties. Just saying they are much closer to the Seldarine than the Morndinsamman. :D
-Not the Tinker variety!
-Not the Tinker variety!
sans Tinker ;)