Ohhhh man.... this is upsetting

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#1

yarethon

Mar 13, 2008 14:51:23
from http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15332573&posted=1#post15332573


Ioun is one of the new deities from D&D 4th Edition. A deity devoted to knowledge and prophecy, she is one of several new deities your characters will be able to devote themselves to in the new edition.
#2

jiggawha_dup

Mar 13, 2008 15:06:28
Congenio Ioun, he, not she, arcanist inventor, created Congenio's Pebbles later known as Ioun stones

yea, disturbing
#3

bonzai

Mar 13, 2008 16:24:14
I don't think he was refering to Ioulum.
#4

alediran

Mar 13, 2008 16:39:15
No, he was refering to Congenio Ioun.
#5

todesherr

Mar 13, 2008 18:36:27
Maybe there just won't be a differentiated FR anymore...hmm....
#6

yarethon

Mar 13, 2008 18:52:19
=(

I just hope they wont come up with
Alias the dragon and Karsus the gnome.

=(
#7

lord_karsus

Mar 13, 2008 20:01:06
-This isn't Congenio Ioun, don't worry. Congenio Ioun was a 'he', and this 'Ioun' is a 'she'. This is also 'Core', and not 'Forgotten Realms'. 'Core' and 'Forgotten Realms' have a lot of differences for common items and races. The Forgotten Realms has a totally different origin for Kobolds than any other setting.

-So, don't worry. And, hey, look at it like this. There were two Wulgreths, right? So, why can't there be two Iouns? It's a big multiverse out there...

Alias the dragon and Karsus the gnome.

- that!
#8

Dark_Wizard_02

Mar 13, 2008 20:56:34
Ioun is a reference/homage to Vance's Dying Earth, just like D&D modified the concept of Ioun stones in Vance's stories. The FR Netherese arcanist no doubt was another reference, or rather an origin story.
#9

faraer

Mar 13, 2008 21:23:00
I think Congenio Ioun was one of Dale Henson's many mistakes. Jack Vance already gave ioun stones an origin -- they didn't need a parallel domestic Realms one.
#10

yarethon

Mar 13, 2008 22:00:05
-So, don't worry. And, hey, look at it like this. There were two Wulgreths, right? So, why can't there be two Iouns? It's a big multiverse out there...

well, I guess...
It is just a little bit annoying, because I was hoping for a unified cosmology, and having two inventors with the same name for the same thing is kind of weird... but well.. I guess the multiverse is weird.

Ioun is a reference/homage to Vance's Dying Earth, just like D&D modified the concept of Ioun stones in Vance's stories. The FR Netherese arcanist no doubt was another reference, or rather an origin story.

I think Congenio Ioun was one of Dale Henson's many mistakes. Jack Vance already gave ioun stones an origin -- they didn't need a parallel domestic Realms one.

Even so.. it is sort of a little bit distressing.
I think this Ioun goddess makes the existence of the arcanist awkward.
Well... anyway... it is not the end of the world.

that!

heheh
I don't like that either.. I was just making a point.
I mean being a vestige, a stone, a phylactery , etc... life is not easy for you. Who knows where this might lead in the end.
#11

faraer

Mar 13, 2008 22:11:35
Even so.. it is sort of a little bit distressing.
I think this Ioun goddess makes the existence of the arcanist awkward.
Well... anyway... it is not the end of the world.

It looks to me like repeating the disrespectful (to Vance) mistake Dale made.
#12

Dark_Wizard_02

Mar 13, 2008 22:32:31
Even so.. it is sort of a little bit distressing.
I think this Ioun goddess makes the existence of the arcanist awkward.
Well... anyway... it is not the end of the world.

I don't think the designers care all that much about a dozen big names or entire nations in past lore let alone a single obscure name. You're right this is not the end of the world, instead they have the Spellplague for that. ;)

It looks to me like repeating the disrespectful (to Vance) mistake Dale made.

Just what is the Vancian origin for them anyway? Do Ioun stones even work the same in Vance's work as they do in D&D?
#13

faraer

Mar 13, 2008 22:52:01
Yes, roughly the same.

MAJOR SPOILER FOR RHIALTO THE MARVELLOUS:
Show
The nonhuman archveults gather the IOUN stones from the centres of dead stars.
#14

lord_karsus

Mar 13, 2008 23:03:45
I think Congenio Ioun was one of Dale Henson's many mistakes. Jack Vance already gave ioun stones an origin -- they didn't need a parallel domestic Realms one.

-I don't think so. There have been plenty of instances of parallel development of things in our history. I see no reason why similar instances wouldn't happen in the D&D worlds. I appreciate when items/races/classes/PrCs are given in-house explanations.

I think this Ioun goddess makes the existence of the arcanist awkward.
Well... anyway... it is not the end of the world.

-If you want to rectify things, he could have theoretically been named after her.

heheh
I don't like that either.. I was just making a point.
I mean being a vestige, a stone, a phylactery , etc... life is not easy for you. Who knows where this might lead in the end.

-Tell me about it...
#15

markustay63

Mar 14, 2008 2:25:10
Don't be so sure to dismiss the idea that FR is not going to be Core.

They claim there is no Core anymore, and they sing the praises of "One rules to rule them all".

And yet, when you watch that video from the Con, you clearly see that the Forgotten Realms NO LONGER HAS A LOGO!!!

No logo = Core... except there isn't any core.

They are playing the word game here... if it smells like a fish, looks like a fish, etc...

They say there is no core just because they don't want an outcry from us.

Note - Eberron has a logo still - if it its true that FR isn't core, then NONE of the settings should have a logo. Why is FR being singled out? They say the new core world doesn't really exist... but they are creating stuff for it... stuff we can easily 'plug-in' to FR...

Its all BS, man, wait and see...
#16

alediran

Mar 14, 2008 5:35:44
I noticed that too, another thing to be ****** of. FR will be as bland as Greyhawk during 3rd edition. WotC has basicaly killed FR as a separate setting.
#17

markustay63

Mar 14, 2008 5:41:27
FR has become the gaming equivalent of the 'Town Dump'.

Lots of cool things in the dump, but in the end, the place is still a dump.
#18

Stigger

Mar 14, 2008 7:10:51
But like a dump, you can take a trip down, sift through the garbage, and bring home something useful once in a while...

Of course having said that, I've never even been remotely interested in sifting through one... too much work for the payoff as far as I'm concerned. ;) :D
#19

yarethon

Mar 14, 2008 9:30:57
-If you want to rectify things, he could have theoretically been named after her.

I like the way you are thinking, but then Congenio would not be the inventor of the famous stones, since he came after.
That little bastard ...he was gettnig the credit for those stones all along
tsc tsc... :P

Never trust a Netherese!

(no offense)
You're right this is not the end of the world, instead they have the Spellplague for that.

True.
#20

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 14, 2008 10:45:01
But like a dump, you can take a trip down, sift through the garbage, and bring home something useful once in a while...

Dumpster diving, LOL.

I appreciate the information about the origin of Ioun stones (ie. in the Vance stories).

All that being said...well, I just see this as an example of "core" information that may not apply to the Realms.
#21

lord_karsus

Mar 14, 2008 11:02:32
Don't be so sure to dismiss the idea that FR is not going to be Core.

-Well, they said it's not, so...But...

I like the way you are thinking, but then Congenio would not be the inventor of the famous stones, since he came after.

-Or, in the Forgotten Realms, he was. Ioun Stones existed in other Crystal Spheres, but had yet to appear on Abeir-Toril. However he did, Congenio Ioun knew what the item was, and mass produced the first Ioun Stones to appear on Abeir-Toril.
#22

18DELTA

Mar 14, 2008 12:15:18
I noticed that too, another thing to be ****** of. FR will be as bland as Greyhawk during 3rd edition. WotC has basicaly killed FR as a separate setting.

-This is my presonal opinion. Most of the changes are because of the "Living Realms." Not trying to start a flame war, just my smelly opinion.:P Think about it changing some areas to be the dungeon regions or just off limits. Waterdeep, Cormyr, Balders Gate, The Dalelands, and The Empire of Shade will probably be the major regions amongst others. Its the first setting that is getting released, so the bugs can get ironed out. What better way than through the RPGA. Player and administer feedback can show what needs errata. I could be wrong though.


18DELTA
#23

ifthir

Mar 14, 2008 12:40:21
well, I guess... It is just a little bit annoying, because I was hoping for a unified cosmology, and having two inventors with the same name for the same thing is kind of weird... but well.. I guess the multiverse is weird.

Never underestimate the amount of money that is saved by recycling old ideas rather then creating new.
#24

lord_karsus

Mar 14, 2008 14:19:45
-This is my presonal opinion. Most of the changes are because of the "Living Realms."

-Nah, I don't think so. I know a few "Living" RPG people from the boards, and a lot of them disagree with the massive changes as the next, "Non-Living" guy.
#25

alediran

Mar 14, 2008 14:24:48
the next, "Non-Living" guy.

Does it means I'm a Baelnorn?
#26

lord_karsus

Mar 14, 2008 14:49:18
Does it means I'm a Baelnorn?

-No.
#27

alediran

Mar 14, 2008 15:30:22
I don't want to be a zombie.
#28

the_ubbergeek

Mar 14, 2008 16:26:38
I don't want to be a zombie.

Too late, you're one already.
#29

markustay63

Mar 14, 2008 17:10:04
"As the anti-4e army of Zombies storm the WotC headquarters, their cry for "Brains!" goes unanswered...."


;)
#30

lord_karsus

Mar 14, 2008 19:32:21
"As the anti-4e army of Zombies storm the WotC headquarters, their cry for "Brains!" goes unanswered...."


;)

-After they storm and eat everyone at WotC headquarters, their cry for brains goes unanswered! :D :P
#31

SmartPaladin

Mar 14, 2008 19:51:46
-After they storm and eat everyone at WotC headquarters, their cry for brains goes unanswered! :D :P

If those zombies just eat brains... Then I fear those at the WotC office are safe. Well, at least the one's we'd want the zombies to eat and kill.
#32

lord_karsus

Mar 14, 2008 19:57:08
-I feel bad for the reputation we've given them. Most of 'em probably aren't half bad.
#33

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 14, 2008 20:31:45
Zombies? Oooooh, we can do the Thriller dance!
#34

SmartPaladin

Mar 14, 2008 21:05:29
-I feel bad for the reputation we've given them. Most of 'em probably aren't half bad.

Well, it wouldn't be so bad if half of the developers talked to each other. I don't mind the class updates, I don't mind the changes to races, although I still don't like what they've done with the Tiefling, let alone the Aasimar... I was however put out with them on the deities. Did they really have to axe so many of them? I mean, really? Or have X deity be really Y deity from Z pantheon? Their going from "to many" to "needlessly complicated".

Zombies? Oooooh, we can do the Thriller dance!

An internet cookie for bring up one of the coolest Micheal Jackson songs ever.
#35

lord_karsus

Mar 14, 2008 22:03:17
Zombies? Oooooh, we can do the Thriller dance!

#36

SmartPaladin

Mar 14, 2008 22:42:08
-Apparently so. Apparently, the average gamer is too stupid to understand the concept of multiple deities, of different racial pantheons, some more power and prevalent than others.

I understood it. Just like I understood all of the Norse, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Aztec, ect. No one seemed to cry foul on them, granted, they're aren't nearly worshiped as much as they used to be, but still.
#37

lord_karsus

Mar 14, 2008 22:47:27
I understood it. Just like I understood all of the Norse, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Aztec, ect. No one seemed to cry foul on them, granted, they're aren't nearly worshiped as much as they used to be, but still.

-As did virtually everyone else here. Go figure...
#38

SmartPaladin

Mar 14, 2008 22:55:13
-As did virtually everyone else here. Go figure...

You ever get the feeling they all just made the ruling to axe so many deities because they all had a serious hang over and they didn't want to think so hard about all of them?
#39

lord_karsus

Mar 14, 2008 23:00:12
You ever get the feeling they all just made the ruling to axe so many deities because they all had a serious hang over and they didn't want to think so hard about all of them?

-I hope not. I like to think that these are mostly professional people, here.
#40

SmartPaladin

Mar 14, 2008 23:02:58
-I hope not. I like to think that these are mostly professional people, here.

Like Professionals don't get drunk!
#41

lord_karsus

Mar 14, 2008 23:05:23
Like Professionals don't get drunk!

-They don't often get drunk, and then begin working, I hope.
#42

markustay63

Mar 15, 2008 20:47:24
-After they storm and eat everyone at WotC headquarters, their cry for brains goes unanswered! :D :P

Thats kinda what I meant...

The next part of that story would have went -

"The world hails the WotC team as heroes, little realizing that the undead hordes actually starved to death..."
#43

SmartPaladin

Mar 15, 2008 21:28:28
Thats kinda what I meant...

The next part of that story would have went -

"The world hails the WotC team as heroes, little realizing that the undead hordes actually starved to death..."

But they are already "dead". How are they gonna starve to "death"?
#44

todesherr

Mar 15, 2008 23:09:13
Thats kinda what I meant...

The next part of that story would have went -

"The world hails the WotC team as heroes, little realizing that the undead hordes actually starved to death..."

Touche.

Why is it that American English is going down the tubes so quickly?

What is the past participle of the verb go?

:OMG! :OMG!
#45

markustay63

Mar 16, 2008 1:35:48
You MUST be joking...
#46

msatran

Mar 16, 2008 11:40:57
I'm actually so disgusted with these changes that I probably will not buy any 4th edition Forgotten Realms Products. And let me tell you, I bought a lot.

By the way, I have discovered another flaw in the Spellplague.

Why haven't dragons gone nuts/freaked out/turned into cheese and pumpkins? They cast mighty magics too, and when the weave goes, thither go their sorcerer levels and draconic abilities.
#47

markustay63

Mar 16, 2008 13:07:56
Naw, it affected them differently... all they lost were their alignments.

I'll buy the FRCG, more out of morbid criousity then anything else (plus it will probably be useful in converting my current-year game to 4e rules).

Only if it totally knocks my socks off will I buy anything else FR, but I really don't see that happening at this point.
#48

Stigger

Mar 16, 2008 15:50:50
I don't really expect it to be that difficult to convert to 4e if Saga is any indication. Slightly annoying at first, but relatively fast and easy once you get the hang of it. Can't say I'm even planning on buying the FRCG, even out of curiosity... not much more than the PHB, DMG, MM, and maybe a few of the item/spell related stuff depending on whether I like the new format or not.
#49

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 16, 2008 18:12:21
-Note that the above really is on-topic for this thread. Ohhhh man... This is upsetting!

That was COOOOOOOL! Thanks for posting those!

Hey SmartPaladin, thanks for the cookie.;)
#50

lord_karsus

Mar 17, 2008 8:14:28
You MUST be joking...

-We don't speak English, anyway. We speak New York. Or, here's how I would have literally spelled how I would have said that sentence:

-We don' speek English, anyway. We speek New Yawk. Awe, he'ahs how I woud'a literalee spelled how I would'a sed th/dat sentence.

-Something like that.

By the way, I have discovered another flaw in the Spellplague.

-There's various flaws in the Spellplague. From canon predicent, when Mystra dies under normal circumstances, the continent/world/Crystal Sphere becomes a massive Dead Magic Zone. The Spellplague, is magical in nature, obviously. How can magic function? And, of course, last time Mystra died under normal circumstances (Mystryl), there was no massive magical cataclysm.

That was COOOOOOOL! Thanks for posting those!

-You ask, I oblige.
#51

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 17, 2008 13:28:27
-There's various flaws in the Spellplague.

In fact, the Spellplague pretty much is one big, giant FLAW.

-You ask, I oblige.

Awww! Thanks.
#52

SmartPaladin

Mar 17, 2008 14:12:13
-We don't speak English, anyway. We speak New York. Or, here's how I would have literally spelled how I would have said that sentence:

Heh, I could have posted with my southern drawl. But I don't think I ever picked one up... The only time it comes out is when I say "Ya'll".
#53

alediran

Mar 17, 2008 14:45:50
Don't start with slang english, because then I can begin with Argentinian Spanish, which is a modified version of Spanish and only argentinians understand it
#54

lord_karsus

Mar 17, 2008 16:37:22
Don't start with slang english, because then I can begin with Argentinian Spanish, which is a modified version of Spanish and only argentinians understand it

-It's like Druidic. ;)
#55

todesherr

Mar 17, 2008 18:42:06
You MUST be joking...

I am not joking. As a teacher of languages such things are very upsetting to me.You may not care about using the correct past participle but I do as do many others on the forum.
#56

Stigger

Mar 17, 2008 19:47:06
Hmmm... indeed. Fairly rare to find correct grammar on the internet really... much less spelling. Hope you have a lot of aspirin. ;)
#57

markustay63

Mar 18, 2008 2:36:31
I am not joking. As a teacher of languages such things are very upsetting to me.You may not care about using the correct past participle but I do as do many others on the forum.

I used to teach first grade...

NO... I'm serious... years ago...

Don't you know NYers are the only people who speak correctly? :P

And if that bothers you so much, you need more marijuana in your diet. ;)

... or you can just blame it on the Spellplague.

But they are already "dead". How are they gonna starve to "death"?

Hey, if Vampires can have children (which they seem to do lately), then my zombies can DIE... again! :D
#58

lord_karsus

Mar 18, 2008 9:36:54
Don't you know NYers are the only people who speak correctly? :P

-That's what I said. Maybe they'll listen now...
#59

markustay63

Mar 18, 2008 11:29:20
Yo, you got dat right... ;)

Otherwise I'll have to go all 'Joe Pesci' on his butt. :P


"Whatta my? A clown to you?"
#60

lord_karsus

Mar 18, 2008 11:37:20
Yo, you got dat right... ;)

Otherwise I'll have to go all 'Joe Pesci' on his butt. :P


"Whatta my? A clown to you?"

-Well, we don't necessarily say 'yo', but we do say 'dat'. And whatta my. And coopon, which is apparently wrong. And, apparently, we are the only ones who stand 'on line'. Everyone else stands 'in line'. Weird.

-This is actually a very itneresting article, to see the things that we say that are apparently 'wrong', how things developed, and whatever else:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Accent
#61

alediran

Mar 18, 2008 11:40:45
I hope I never need to visit NY because I'll go crazy with your slang. England's English also drives me nuts, when Iron Maiden played most of the time I couldn't undestand what Bruce Dickinson was saying to the crowd, and I have a good ear for english (every day I return home from work there is at least one group of people talking in english in the subway and I always pay attention to them).
#62

ody_saraph_of_karsus

Mar 18, 2008 11:47:04
Don't start with slang english, because then I can begin with Argentinian Spanish, which is a modified version of Spanish and only argentinians understand it

I'm puertorican and I (think I can) understand it. ( I used to watch alot of Locomotionback in the day

@Todesherr. considering that I learned enghish by watching TV and reading Comic books I think I do 'aite' :P
#63

lord_karsus

Mar 18, 2008 11:54:51
I hope I never need to visit NY because I'll go crazy with your slang.

-Feh. You just can't handle the awesomeness! :P

(every day I return home from work there is at least one group of people talking in english in the subway and I always pay attention to them).

-How often is it spoken there, anyway? Like, make up a percentage, or something, of people who use it.

@Todesherr. considering that I learned enghish by watching TV and reading Comic books I think I do 'aite' :P

-And they say television and comic books aren't educational.

-That is awesome, though. ;)
#64

alediran

Mar 18, 2008 11:59:45
-Feh. You just can't handle the awesomeness! :P

I'm used to a more neutral english.

-How often is it spoken there, anyway? Like, make up a percentage, or something, of people who use it.

It's not everyday, but Buenos Aires being a touristic city has plenty of touristic places with people that speaks english. Most Programmers and RPG players have fluency with english (all my players except one have good english skills, my GF is an English Teacher)
#65

SmartPaladin

Mar 18, 2008 12:59:05
-And they say television and comic books aren't educational.

-That is awesome, though. ;)

They say the same thing about video games... Think they'll ever learn? :P
#66

ody_saraph_of_karsus

Mar 18, 2008 13:37:40
-And they say television and comic books aren't educational.

-That is awesome, though. ;)

Thanks :D I DO have a really thick accent though (think FEZ from That 70's Show)but I don't mind, girls LOVE it.
#67

Stigger

Mar 18, 2008 14:11:27
Just so long as you aren't as annoying as that twerp... :P :D

I'm not going into accents... it'd just aggravate me to mention it, and I don't need that today.
#68

lord_karsus

Mar 18, 2008 15:17:43
Thanks :D I DO have a really thick accent though (think FEZ from That 70's Show)but I don't mind, girls LOVE it.

-Hey, whatever works, right?
#69

ody_saraph_of_karsus

Mar 18, 2008 15:26:20
Right!
#70

SmartPaladin

Mar 18, 2008 15:43:52
Thanks :D I DO have a really thick accent though (think FEZ from That 70's Show)but I don't mind, girls LOVE it.

As long as your choices in girls remain in the "legal" area. For a while there, the only thing I could get was Jail Bait... And I've spoke english all of my life. :embarrass
#71

Stigger

Mar 18, 2008 17:13:06
Jail bait... that's a term I haven't heard in a while... thankfully. Been married almost 17 years now though (maybe 16, I've kinda lost track), so its not really an issue for me anymore. :D
#72

lord_karsus

Mar 18, 2008 21:37:19
...(maybe 16, I've kinda lost track)...

-Bet you don't admit that part.
#73

Stigger

Mar 19, 2008 9:06:23
Nope, I admit it freely actually. I'm the one who remembers the exact dates, she's the one who remembers the larger scale time frames... of course I'm also the guy who has trouble remembering how old he is exactly. :D
#74

ody_saraph_of_karsus

Mar 19, 2008 12:35:13
As long as your choices in girls remain in the "legal" area. For a while there, the only thing I could get was Jail Bait... And I've spoke english all of my life. :embarrass

No kidding, I met this 18 y.o. like a month ago from Ohio and she wants to come all the way to NC to spend the weekend with me (I'm 27 BTW)
#75

lord_karsus

Mar 19, 2008 13:47:33
No kidding, I met this 18 y.o. like a month ago from Ohio and she wants to come all the way to NC to spend the weekend with me (I'm 27 BTW)

-As long as she's actually 18...

-Don't think about the fact that you were pretty much 10 when she was just born, though. Or the fact that, when you were in high school, she was really just starting kindergarten. Or...
#76

Stigger

Mar 19, 2008 18:12:23
You know, its thinking like that which makes the idea of bedding younger women something that turns my stomach. Beyond that, I like them a bit older than myself... softer and squishier generally. :D
#77

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 19, 2008 19:56:09
I actually don't think a 10 year gap is that big of a deal (provided, of course, that both parties are adults). It's kind of funny to imagine the age difference as kids (ie. one a baby, the other well into elementary school), but if both people click, that's what counts.
#78

lord_karsus

Mar 19, 2008 21:12:59
-I've been told that you take your age, add the digits together, and the appropriate ages you can date are plus and minus that. So, for example, I am 21. 2+1 is 3. So, it'd be okay for me to date a person anywhere between 18 and 24.

-A little silly, but whatever...
#79

alediran

Mar 19, 2008 21:46:19
Well, my father was 23 when he married my mother, which is 12 years older than him.
#80

lord_karsus

Mar 19, 2008 21:57:34
Well, my father was 23 when he married my mother, which is 12 years older than him.

-He was 23, and she was 35? Whoa...I don't know which is crazier: the age difference, or the fact he was getting married at 23! ;) :D
#81

Stigger

Mar 20, 2008 1:01:39
Hey!!! I got married at 19. :P
#82

lord_karsus

Mar 20, 2008 1:15:11
-Whoa, is all I will say. ;)
#83

Stigger

Mar 20, 2008 1:34:32
Probably best that way...
#84

lord_karsus

Mar 20, 2008 1:54:53
-Well, if you're still married, then obviously things worked out, so good for you.
#85

Stigger

Mar 20, 2008 1:57:45
Indeed so. Can barely remember when I wasn't married really, and am pretty sure I don't necessarily want to... :D
#86

ody_saraph_of_karsus

Mar 20, 2008 8:47:22
-As long as she's actually 18...

-Don't think about the fact that you were pretty much 10 when she was just born, though. Or the fact that, when you were in high school, she was really just starting kindergarten. Or...

She in the army so, If she's old enough to kill....:D
There's also the act that I look younger (people usually think that I'm 19-21ish) and that

I actually don't think a 10 year gap is that big of a deal (provided, of course, that both parties are adults). It's kind of funny to imagine the age difference as kids (ie. one a baby, the other well into elementary school), but if both people click, that's what counts.

Thanks Rin :D I KNEW you were going to see things my way
#87

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 20, 2008 10:07:47
-I've been told that you take your age, add the digits together, and the appropriate ages you can date are plus and minus that. So, for example, I am 21. 2+1 is 3. So, it'd be okay for me to date a person anywhere between 18 and 24.

-A little silly, but whatever...

I think so. What matters, in my opinion, is what you are comfortable with.

Note, though, that I have found (through experience) that age in itself is not the best indicator of maturity.
#88

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 20, 2008 10:12:33
Thanks Rin :D I KNEW you were going to see things my way

Well, suffice to say I have experience with age gaps like that--I've had a boyfriend who was 14 years older than me (yes, really). I'm not with him anymore, but the age difference didn't bother me.

I was aware, however, that it could have mattered more down the years (ie. 40 years old is different from 60 years old).
#89

lord_karsus

Mar 20, 2008 10:53:23
There's also the act that I look younger (people usually think that I'm 19-21ish) and that

-Yeah, me too. Though, when people see me, they think I'm like 16 or something.

Note, though, that I have found (through experience) that age in itself is not the best indicator of maturity.

-Definitley not.
#90

SmartPaladin

Mar 20, 2008 12:43:13
No kidding, I met this 18 y.o. like a month ago from Ohio and she wants to come all the way to NC to spend the weekend with me (I'm 27 BTW)

Well, so long as your both happy, regardless of the age gap, then I'm all for you both and I hope you find happiness.

Granted, your talking to the guy who's Mother once told his Father when his Grandmother got remarried "She's 80+ (don't really remember the age at the time), not in the ground! Let her live her life." I love my Mother. :P
#91

ody_saraph_of_karsus

Mar 22, 2008 15:27:04
Well, so long as your both happy, regardless of the age gap, then I'm all for you both and I hope you find happiness.

Granted, your talking to the guy who's Mother once told his Father when his Grandmother got remarried "She's 80+ (don't really remember the age at the time), not in the ground! Let her live her life." I love my Mother. :P

Oh its nothing like that is a booty call more than anything else(somehow I get alot of those but no serious relationships ).
#92

SmartPaladin

Mar 22, 2008 15:47:02
Oh its nothing like that is a booty call more than anything else(somehow I get alot of those but no serious relationships ).

Aye, but your booty or hers? :P

Don't worry, one day you'll get lucky and find the one you are to be with for the remainder of your days. Well, it's ether that, or be alone until the end of days...
#93

lord_karsus

Mar 22, 2008 15:56:29
Oh its nothing like that is a booty call more than anything else...

-What the hell? Why is it that nothing to that effect has ever happened to me, ever?
#94

ody_saraph_of_karsus

Mar 22, 2008 16:26:37
LOL this is the third time (this one girl fron basic training, my ex GF came from PR a few weeks ago and now this girl from Ohio). Maybe is an Army thing... You know you get to meet people from all parts of the US and one day thy're with you in training become "buddies" and ten they leave (for example: one of my co-workers left this week to Miami for good). Most if not all of younger Soldiers live like in the moment








or maybe I'm just that good

Its bittersweet thing. In one hand is great cuz well know know ;) but in the other hand it KILLs your reputation cuz now "you a playa' " and I'm tired of that I just want to settle in and stop playing "the game"
#95

lord_karsus

Mar 22, 2008 16:47:43
or maybe I'm just that good

-Well, you are a Hand of Karsus.
#96

markustay63

Mar 22, 2008 18:48:55
Strangely enough, I found you have to NOT want it, for it to become widely available. Its like women can sense when you're not interested, and they take it as a personal affront.

Time and time again I found myself in rather akward situations, and said "WTF?"

It happens when you least expect it, and it is not nearly as 'great' as people make it sound.

Before I was married, and a total geek, I couldn't get la_d in a w__rehouse.

After I was 'taken', its like an 'alarm' went off or something... weird....

So LK, just stop looking for it... your time will come... ;)
#97

lord_karsus

Mar 22, 2008 18:55:26
Strangely enough, I found you have to NOT want it, for it to become widely available. Its like women can sense when you're not interested, and they take it as a personal affront.

-It's not as if I walk around, hitting on random people. Contrary to popular belief, I am nothing like that. Hell, when I see people I sort of know, I don't even say anything. Like, just the other day, I ran into someone I knew in high school, at Staples. I didn't say anything.
#98

SmartPaladin

Mar 22, 2008 19:20:34
LOL this is the third time (this one girl fron basic training, my ex GF came from PR a few weeks ago and now this girl from Ohio). Maybe is an Army thing... You know you get to meet people from all parts of the US and one day thy're with you in training become "buddies" and ten they leave (for example: one of my co-workers left this week to Miami for good). Most if not all of younger Soldiers live like in the moment

I've lived for the moment all my life. On one hand, it's handy if you just go though life making it up as you go, but on the other hand, you find when you do make plans, they seemingly tend to fall through. Really demoralizing. My hat is off to you however for going into basic training and the military. I hope that whatever you do, you remain safe from harm. As much as chicks may dig the scars, being in a body bag is a turn off for most women. :P

-It's not as if I walk around, hitting on random people. Contrary to popular belief, I am nothing like that. Hell, when I see people I sort of know, I don't even say anything. Like, just the other day, I ran into someone I knew in high school, at Staples. I didn't say anything.

Huh, and here I am saying helo to just about everyone I walk by. Then there's the people I strike up random conversations with seemingly outta no where. Last time was in the electronics at Wallyworld (Wal-Mart).
#99

lord_karsus

Mar 22, 2008 19:22:37
Huh, and here I am saying helo to just about everyone I walk by. Then there's the people I strike up random conversations with seemingly outta no where. Last time was in the electronics at Wallyworld (Wal-Mart).

-Yeah, that fact is probably why I don't have any, you know, real friends. :raincloud
#100

SmartPaladin

Mar 22, 2008 19:27:57
-Yeah, that fact is probably why I don't have any, you know, real friends. :raincloud

My friend, I only have four friends⁈ altogether. Two of whom I met online in a MMO, I then later went to their wedding (They married each other). You may not be as alone as you may think.
#101

markustay63

Mar 22, 2008 21:11:14
I think the only real friend I have is my ex-wife...

Now thats just plain sad.

Although, like SmartPaladin, I talk to everyone just about everywhere I go, so I make friends as I need them. :D

I guess that gives me 1 friend, and 1 million aquaintences. :P

I'll be in Manhattan tomorrow, so I guess I'll be able to add another 8 Million to that list.
#102

lord_karsus

Mar 22, 2008 22:43:37
My friend, I only have four friends€ altogether.

-Well, you're about four friends* up on me. :raincloud

*I consider friends people that I can physically see, hang out with, talk to, whatever. Online friends, like you people, are in an ambiguous category, in my mind. And then, even still, most of you people would be aquaintences.
#103

18DELTA

Mar 22, 2008 22:43:42
LOL this is the third time (this one girl fron basic training, my ex GF came from PR a few weeks ago and now this girl from Ohio). Maybe is an Army thing... You know you get to meet people from all parts of the US and one day thy're with you in training become "buddies" and ten they leave (for example: one of my co-workers left this week to Miami for good). Most if not all of younger Soldiers live like in the moment








or maybe I'm just that good

Its bittersweet thing. In one hand is great cuz well know know ;) but in the other hand it KILLs your reputation cuz now "you a playa' " and I'm tired of that I just want to settle in and stop playing "the game"

-Whats that old saying in the Army..."When you work hard, you play even harder". Something to that effect. I hope she is not somekinda barracks rat. You know the one that gets a medal for keeping the battalions morale up. If you know what I mean.;) What I learned is you never get married in the service with out expecting a divorce. Go go to the field and there she is at the NCO Club, messing around on ya. When I was stationed in Korea, people would say they were TDY(Temporarly Divorced for a Year). The story of the guy the was deployed for 6 months and his wife is 4 months pregnet(sp) when he comes home. Not every story ends in disaster. Just tell them they are not special, just next. And for that they should be greatful.;) :P :D


18DELTA;)
#104

lord_karsus

Mar 22, 2008 22:45:55
When I was stationed in Korea, people would say they were TDY(Temporarly Divorced for a Year).

-Frank Burns, and Trapper John, for instance.
#105

SmartPaladin

Mar 23, 2008 13:39:22
-Well, you're about four friends* up on me. :raincloud

*I consider friends people that I can physically see, hang out with, talk to, whatever. Online friends, like you people, are in an ambiguous category, in my mind. And then, even still, most of you people would be aquaintences.

Don't worry Lord Karsus. We still love you. :P *tries to get the image of Lord Karsus singing "Mr Lonely" out of his head*

-Whats that old saying in the Army..."When you work hard, you play even harder". Something to that effect. I hope she is not somekinda barracks rat. You know the one that gets a medal for keeping the battalions morale up. If you know what I mean.;) What I learned is you never get married in the service with out expecting a divorce. Go go to the field and there she is at the NCO Club, messing around on ya. When I was stationed in Korea, people would say they were TDY(Temporarly Divorced for a Year). The story of the guy the was deployed for 6 months and his wife is 4 months pregnet(sp) when he comes home. Not every story ends in disaster. Just tell them they are not special, just next. And for that they should be greatful.;) :P :D


18DELTA;)

It's probably a bad sign that one of my first thoughts was "Look on the bright side, you have kids!" huh? I mean sure, you missed half the fun of making the little beasties, but it's not like you'll miss out on making the next ones. Provided you don't do a real divorce...

Sidenote: I never claimed to be sane.
#106

Stigger

Mar 23, 2008 13:49:35
Think I tend to be more like LK in most respects... not even sure I consider my players truly friends... my wife is the only person I think that I truly consider my friend.

As to booty calls... haven't indulged in those since I got married, but a lot of it has to do with how comfortable you are with your own body. Dancing I found to be a very good way of getting them... maybe its the latin blood thing with our hips actually moving while dancing, but it usually worked for me. :D
#107

lord_karsus

Mar 23, 2008 14:19:43
-Most of the people, in real life, I am friendly with are either family members, or friends of either my mother, father, or stepfather, who I, in turn, consider friends, even though they really aren't.
#108

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 23, 2008 21:15:08
-Yeah, me too. Though, when people see me, they think I'm like 16 or something.

People often seem to think I'm younger than I am, too, which I take as a compliment.
#109

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 23, 2008 21:18:36
*I consider friends people that I can physically see, hang out with, talk to, whatever. Online friends, like you people, are in an ambiguous category, in my mind. And then, even still, most of you people would be aquaintences.

We've met. And we'll see each other again. I think that's at least a first step to becoming friends (though truth be told, I consider you a friend anyway).
#110

lord_karsus

Mar 23, 2008 21:48:31
People often seem to think I'm younger than I am, too, which I take as a compliment.

-You do look a lot younger than you are. For a girl, that's a good thing. For a guy, I don't think it necessarily is.

We've met. And we'll see each other again. I think that's at least a first step to becoming friends (though truth be told, I consider you a friend anyway).

-That is true. Alright, so you are my friend then.

-I need to actually meet more of you people!

-I have like, 54 friends on Facebook, and 95% of them, I haven't actually ever met, or I haven't spoken to them in years and years.
#111

draconsnighthawk

Mar 23, 2008 22:15:41
Rinonalyrna and Karsus are my two favorite posters, though I always thought Karsus to be in his 30-40s, and then I find out he's 2 years young then me! (If the age he put in is correct....), and I wanna be a hand of Karsus!

And Rionalyrna, I mean come on... anyone that know the knights of Justice just equal cool period.
#112

SmartPaladin

Mar 23, 2008 22:41:55
I look younger then I really am, but I'm used to it. Also, I wouldn't mind meeting Lord Karsus, but I bet half way through he'd be wishing I'd just leave him alone. :P
#113

lord_karsus

Mar 23, 2008 22:55:27
Rinonalyrna and Karsus are my two favorite posters, though I always thought Karsus to be in his 30-40s, and then I find out he's 2 years young then me! (If the age he put in is correct....)...

-Karsus is my favorite poster, too. And, no, he is not an old person.

and I wanna be a hand of Karsus!

-It's a very demanding job. Think you can handle it?

And Rionalyrna, I mean come on... anyone that know the knights of Justice just equal cool period.

-I was watching the Centurions the other day. Does that count for something?

Also, I wouldn't mind meeting Lord Karsus, but I bet half way through he'd be wishing I'd just leave him alone. :P

-Depends. Maybe, but probably not.
#114

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 24, 2008 10:53:19
-You do look a lot younger than you are.

Thanks.

For a girl, that's a good thing. For a guy, I don't think it necessarily is.

I think in some cases it might be. Say, if you're in your 50s, and people think you are still in your 30s.

But I see what you mean, though.

-That is true. Alright, so you are my friend then.

I'm so glad.

-I need to actually meet more of you people!

Yeah, me too.
#115

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 24, 2008 10:54:23
Rinonalyrna and Karsus are my two favorite posters, though I always thought Karsus to be in his 30-40s, and then I find out he's 2 years young then me! (If the age he put in is correct....), and I wanna be a hand of Karsus!

I'm very flattered, thank you.

And Rionalyrna, I mean come on... anyone that know the knights of Justice just equal cool period.

LOL indeed.
#116

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 24, 2008 10:55:06
-I was watching the Centurions the other day. Does that count for something?

Heh, I know what you speak of.
#117

msatran

Mar 24, 2008 11:30:54
-You do look a lot younger than you are. For a girl, that's a good thing. For a guy, I don't think it necessarily is.



-That is true. Alright, so you are my friend then.

-I need to actually meet more of you people!

-I have like, 54 friends on Facebook, and 95% of them, I haven't actually ever met, or I haven't spoken to them in years and years.

You are correct. You and Rino know what I look like. Do I look like I'm pushing 40?
#118

Keryth

Mar 24, 2008 11:42:19
I'm actually so disgusted with these changes that I probably will not buy any 4th edition Forgotten Realms Products. And let me tell you, I bought a lot.

By the way, I have discovered another flaw in the Spellplague.

Why haven't dragons gone nuts/freaked out/turned into cheese and pumpkins? They cast mighty magics too, and when the weave goes, thither go their sorcerer levels and draconic abilities.

Yep, and they don;t have em in 4e, nor do they have the whole Chromatic=evil, metallic=good, gemstone=neutral anymore. So, the Spellplague FUBAR'ed them too.
#119

Keryth

Mar 24, 2008 11:44:44
Heh, I could have posted with my southern drawl. But I don't think I ever picked one up... The only time it comes out is when I say "Ya'll".

Ya'll ain't no word!
#120

lord_karsus

Mar 24, 2008 12:21:16
You are correct. You and Rino know what I look like. Do I look like I'm pushing 40?

-That is a very, very good point. I figured you were like in your late 20s.
#121

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 24, 2008 13:31:54
You are correct. You and Rino know what I look like. Do I look like I'm pushing 40?

I don't think so.
#122

Stigger

Mar 25, 2008 1:32:20
Pretty easy to tell that I'm pushing closer to 40 these days, considering my hair is turning stark white at a fairly good pace... though it started doing that in my late 20's.
#123

alediran

Mar 25, 2008 8:45:16
Pretty easy to tell that I'm pushing closer to 40 these days, considering my hair is turning stark white at a fairly good pace... though it started doing that in my late 20's.

Stranger is what's happening to my hair, it's going from my usual ash to blonde in some parts.
#124

Stigger

Mar 25, 2008 12:34:00
That is odd. I was kinda hoping my hair would do the white thing actually, as it happened to my grandfather, and looked pretty cool on him in the pictures. :D
#125

lord_karsus

Mar 25, 2008 13:53:31
-I wonder when the next Countdown to the Realms article is...?
#126

ody_saraph_of_karsus

Mar 25, 2008 22:26:18
-Whats that old saying in the Army..."When you work hard, you play even harder". Something to that effect. I hope she is not somekinda barracks rat. You know the one that gets a medal for keeping the battalions morale up. If you know what I mean.;) What I learned is you never get married in the service with out expecting a divorce. Go go to the field and there she is at the NCO Club, messing around on ya. When I was stationed in Korea, people would say they were TDY(Temporarly Divorced for a Year). The story of the guy the was deployed for 6 months and his wife is 4 months pregnet(sp) when he comes home. Not every story ends in disaster. Just tell them they are not special, just next. And for that they should be greatful.;) :P :D


18DELTA;)

LOL no, she's the girl that you don't look twice in ACUs (the new uniform) but look stunning in "civies"

and as for friendships:

FOr me a friend is the people that are with you in dire tie when they have nothing to gain for being your friend.

Now that said, I'm "everybodies' friend" at work, I get "you are the greatest friend" in a daily basis, I don't think of all of them as friends but most people think of me as their friends.

I'll say I have 3 friend here but soon to be 0 since 1 is deploying 1 was a reservist that when back to Miami and the and somethig happened with the last one lastnight that made the friendship akward.

as for ya'll. I think of you as really close accuatences. as much as friend can be w/o physically knowing eachother (one day I'll get to be in them mettings!)
#127

SmartPaladin

Mar 26, 2008 0:36:45
LOL no, she's the girl that you don't look twice in ACUs (the new uniform) but look stunning in "civies"

and as for friendships:

FOr me a friend is the people that are with you in dire tie when they have nothing to gain for being your friend.

Now that said, I'm "everybodies' friend" at work, I get "you are the greatest friend" in a daily basis, I don't think of all of them as friends but most people think of me as their friends.

I'll say I have 3 friend here but soon to be 0 since 1 is deploying 1 was a reservist that when back to Miami and the and somethig happened with the last one lastnight that made the friendship akward.

as for ya'll. I think of you as really close accuatences. as much as friend can be w/o physically knowing eachother (one day I'll get to be in them mettings!)

Aren't the new uniforms also called digies? I hate those... I wouldn't mind meeting half of the people here ether, but I'm just odd like that. :P Be fitting for everyone to met the madness that dares to call it's self the SmartPaladin of Hoar. :P
#128

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Mar 26, 2008 19:54:10
as for ya'll. I think of you as really close accuatences. as much as friend can be w/o physically knowing eachother (one day I'll get to be in them mettings!)

Thanks--hope to see you sometime, too.