Oldie but a newbie

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#1

Jorunhast

Jan 09, 2010 7:18:08
I'm coming back to D&D after a long hiatus (last time I played, it was still AD&D).  I've started learning the new 4th Ed rules, but have not yet picked up the 4th Ed campaign module for the Forgotten Realms.  I looked through it briefly in the store, and lurking around in these forums as well, it seems like there are quite a lot of changes.

I'm quite behind in reading novels, also. Last one I read was the series on Lolth's silence.  I'm hesitant to buy anything new, though, given some of the changes I've read about, at least not until I suss everything out.

So, a couple questions:

1. is there a big timeline update somewhere that people could point me to?  My last timeline is a downloaded version that someone put together, and I think it ends around the 1370s.

2. is there a compiled list of changes that have been made?

3. we have the old "Sea of Fallen Stars" module, and we'd really like to play in this undersea realm called "Serôs" (although we won't play mer-folk).  But it looks like geography and magic have really changed a lot with 4th Ed and a lot of this module will be really outdated.  Does anyone know if there is an update for this region, anywhere?  (or should I just give up on this, and play some other area?)

Thanks everyone.
#2

Imruphel

Jan 09, 2010 8:43:51
Firstly, welcome back to D&D and the Forgotten Realms!

1. is there a big timeline update somewhere that people could point me to?  My last timeline is a downloaded version that someone put together, and I think it ends around the 1370s.

The book The Grand History of the Realms advances the timeline another decade or so, and the campaign guide also makes mention of some events. However, in the main, the 100-year gap is not fully detailed.

2. is there a compiled list of changes that have been made?

I think this is largely covered by my previous answer but I suppose I should add that the rules updates are covered in the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide while the lore updates are given in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide.

I should stress that there are a lot of blanks in the histories etc.... This is a deliberate design choice to make the post-Spellplague FR easier for a new DM to master.

3. we have the old "Sea of Fallen Stars" module, and we'd really like to play in this undersea realm called "Serôs" (although we won't play mer-folk).  But it looks like geography and magic have really changed a lot with 4th Ed and a lot of this module will be really outdated.  Does anyone know if there is an update for this region, anywhere?  (or should I just give up on this, and play some other area?)

No, there is no update and, for me at least, I would be happy to use Sea of Fallen Stars more or less as is. The sea level supposedly changed in that area but, who cares?, the Sea of Fallen Stars has some great stuff in it.

(I've been running FR since the original grey box and I wasn't a fan of this version at first. However, I love the 4E ruleset and, more accurately, the electronic support, so I've been able to carve out my own version of the post-Spellplague Realms that my players and I are very happy with. The only real problem IMO is that the maps suck but there have been some great maps of the Moonshae Isles, Cormyr and the Moonsea North published in Dungeon (or Dragon, can't remember which). I really hope we see more regional articles so we can continue getting good maps.)



#3

The_Silversword

Jan 09, 2010 16:40:35
Yes Welcome Jorunhast, stick around for awhile. 

I could see still using the Sea of Fallen Stars as is. The level and shape of the sea may have changed, but it would make sense for many of the under water cities and what not to still be intact.  
#4

ukplayerx

Jan 10, 2010 13:23:33
Welcome back to the FRCS. May the spellplague scar you forever, LOL
#5

Jorunhast

Jan 10, 2010 18:10:05
Welcome back to the FRCS. May the spellplague scar you forever, LOL


LOL thanks!  I've been looking over the info on the changes, and I'm a little let down.  Not sure yet if we will end up going with the new Realms or the old, or maybe even switching entirely and just using our old Greyhawk books.

Also, thanks Imruphel for all the info!
#6

gomeztoo

Jan 11, 2010 10:16:23

The post-plague timeline:

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
#7

Jorunhast

Jan 11, 2010 16:13:13

The post-plague timeline:

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...


Ah, great, this is a copy of the official timeline?
#8

18DELTA

Jan 11, 2010 23:15:44
It's not 'official', but its good enough for me.
#9

Jorunhast

Jan 11, 2010 23:28:53
Oh, it's fan-generated material?  I guess I was hoping more for the official one.
#10

18DELTA

Jan 11, 2010 23:34:01
Well Brian does work for WotC on occasion. When he did the timeline it was in an unofficial capacity. I figure most of the timeline will make its way into Dragon, or Dungeon Mags(DDI), or into a novel, or into a LFR Mod.
#11

LordManshoon

Jan 11, 2010 23:35:25
Oh, it's fan-generated material?  I guess I was hoping more for the official one.

Actually, it is official, for the most part. The only things that may not be 100% canonical are those submitted by Brian R. James outside of an article. Those can blur the line between official and unofficial, but they don't actually contradict anything else, and they are the ideas of one of the most devoted FR contributors, so it really is the best source.

EDIT: Didn't realize you had a level in Ninja, Delta.

#12

Jorunhast

Jan 12, 2010 5:26:34
Oh, it's fan-generated material?  I guess I was hoping more for the official one.

Actually, it is official, for the most part. The only things that may not be 100% canonical are those submitted by Brian R. James outside of an article. Those can blur the line between official and unofficial, but they don't actually contradict anything else, and they are the ideas of one of the most devoted FR contributors, so it really is the best source.

EDIT: Didn't realize you had a level in Ninja, Delta.



Okay, that's really confusing.  But I see the labels now.
#13

18DELTA

Jan 12, 2010 9:31:23

Yes, I DO have a level of Ninja LM.

The timeline is one of those take it with a grain of salt deals.

I am glad he gave us something to use.

#14

gomeztoo

Jan 12, 2010 15:02:23
Note: I put the timeline in  a blog at my profile page:

community.wizards.com/gomeztoo/blog/2010...

It may be easier to maintain it there (the thread won't get lost).
I may move it to the LFR group at some point, but it is not LFR specific.

I will soon start to add new events (i.e. from Monuments of the Ancients, maybe LFR - if people know other sources let me know).