Doing some research i found this written history of Netheril from Sean K Reynolds, where it is stated (about Lord Shadow) that...
"A few days before Karsus's doomed spell, he informed the residents of his enclave that they should prepare for the experiment. He cast his spell on the eve of Karsus's casting, and he was pleased to find that his city and its inhabitants suffered no ill effects from the trip. He was surprised to find that he could not transport them back immediately. (Unknown to him, the goddess of magic had died and was reworking the laws of magic at the time, which left interdimensional transport ineffective.) When they did return several weeks later, they found nothing but ruins and the dead.
The people of Shade were horrified and cried for vengeance, assuming that the phaerimms had caused this destruction. Lord Shadow grieved, but he knew that one flying city was no match for the might of the phaerimms, so he vowed that some day his city would return, avenge the Netherese, and recreate the old empire in its former glory. He then transported the city back to the Plane of Shadow, where (due to unforeseen circumstances) it remained for centuries and returned only recently. "
If Telamont could transport the city forth and back between the planes... why all the suddenly do they need Melegaunt in Faerun and Galaeron´s help to summon the city? Any one else noticed this contradiction? Any guess?
:D
If Telamont could transport the city forth and back between the planes... why all the suddenly do they need Melegaunt in Faerun and Galaeron´s help? Any guess?
:D
Sorry, sorta off topic and not an answer, but that's friggin bad ass. I always like Shades despite Cale. For whatever reason, only bad wizards that are super powerful don't serve Gods. Example Szazz Tam and Most High. Elminster being a good guy super caster, does. (Good guys always rely on others, while bad guys use others)
Larloch: Spreads magic for Mystra, in exchange for powerful magic, and the peace to practise it.
Fzoul: Serves Bane for his power.
Rivalen: Serves Shar as her first.
Halaster: Aided Mystra in saving Elminster, in exchange for his sanity.
Drassek Riven: 2nd Chosen of Mask.
That's Six off the top of my head that don't go it alone, and are evil. ;)
-RW
Rivalen: Serves Shar as her first.
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Drassek Riven: 2nd Chosen of Mask.
-RW
These 2 are nobodies compared to the rest. They are on Cales level, cale is crap and would get stomped by Szass Tam.
If Telamont could transport the city forth and back between the planes... why all the suddenly do they need Melegaunt in Faerun and Galaeron´s help? Any guess?
:D
not sure why, RotA was quite inconsistent
maybe the Shadow Weave was created after the fall of Netheril and it became harder to cast the ritual and escape the Plane of Shadow
That would automatically suggest that to get back they might need a source of the original Raw Magic that they used, to whit. Karsus' Heart.
If that is true then it all seems to fit rather well.
not sure why, RotA was quite inconsistent
-This.
-Remember, after the Fall of Netheril, the Shadow Enclave returned to the Material Plane. It was only after they returned that they left again, to "exile" themselves into the Plane of Shadows "for good".
-The Return of the Archwizards trilogy, the Netheril: Empire of Magic box set, the Realms of Shadow anthology novel, and timelines, all have contrary and differing notes on the events that transpired.
-All that said, an easy explanation as to why they didn't come back could be because:
- They didn't feel that X was the time.
- They were busy withing with natives on the Plane of Shadows
- They were unsure that, upon returning to the Material Plane, their magics would continue working, and thus, needed to do research to make sure 100% things would function as normal.
This may have not been the case before Mystrals death.
After her resurrection and the constraints she threw upon magic, the possibility of using shadow magic to return from the Plane of Shadow would have made for a catastrophe. Therefore, you needed to drag Shade Enclave in from our side, using an artifact like the Karsestone. It would be the only thing powerful enough to complement the power needed above current limitations, without the use of shadow magic.
I would point out that there is a serious "annihilate me" factor when mixing the weave and the shadow weave. Eliminster as case and point.
-Maybe, maybe not. While it did happen, there are no actual D&D rules for that, and it was an isolated case, in Troy Denning's books. No products since have used similar "reactions", so...
-Maybe, maybe not. While it did happen, there are no actual D&D rules for that, and it was an isolated case, in Troy Denning's books. No products since have used similar "reactions", so...
And, yet, how clear cut were the rules for the Shadow Weave prior? Specifically, back in your--uh--Karsus's day? You go retcon to futcon in a heartbeat.
Its up in the air. Which is why I point out the nature of what we do know.
And, yet, how clear cut were the rules for the Shadow Weave prior? Specifically, back in your--uh--Karsus's day? You go retcon to futcon in a heartbeat.
-There were no Shadow Weave rules.
Prior to the Year of Wild Magic (1372 DR), it at least appeared that Shadow Weave spellcasters were very few and far between, yet after the Return of the Archwizards and the revelation of its existence their numbers increased rapidly (at least by comparison). To some extent this due to the fact that Shar had kept it a closely guarded secret for so long up until that point (i.e. explaining its retcon existence), yet I suspect the reason for that secrecy--and the extremely limited access to it-- was in part due to it being unstable, or needing some additional substantive tie to the essence of magic.
We know that in the Year of the Gauntlet (1369 DR) that a cabal of drow, Red Wizards, and Nightcloaks headed by a Shar-tainted Halaster of Undermountain lured the Seven Sisters into a number of confrontations in hopes of enabling Shar to steal the secrets of the silver fire from them (see Silverfall and Grand History of the Realms). I assume that these events, along with the retrieval of the Karsestone, gave Shar enough of the secrets and the manifest residual substance of raw magic needed to fully empower her own weave and make it stable and consistent enough to be accessible en masse. Moreover, I also suspect that these events gave her the insight needed to create the Rite of Unwinding, which was used by many of her followers to create dead magic rifts in the Weave in various locales across Toril in the Year of Lightning Storms and Risen Elfkin (1374-1375 DR), and which--unlike other dead magic areas--were specifically injurious to Mystra's Chosen, due to their existence being sustained by the silver fire.
(due to unforeseen circumstances)
That's the answer. He could do it only once and then got stuck on the Plane of Shadow.
-There were no Shadow Weave rules.
That was my point, GOONIE!
I love to hate you.
I assumed that it was Shar who actually needed the Karsestone, rather than the Shades themselves. Seeing how the Shades placed it in her temple rather than a safer location like the Palace of the Most High, and how she later seized it herself when Malik discovered it's purpose.
Prior to the Year of Wild Magic (1372 DR), it at least appeared that Shadow Weave spellcasters were very few and far between, yet after the Return of the Archwizards and the revelation of its existence their numbers increased rapidly (at least by comparison). To some extent this due to the fact that Shar had kept it a closely guarded secret for so long up until that point (i.e. explaining its retcon existence), yet I suspect the reason for that secrecy--and the extremely limited access to it-- was in part due to it being unstable, or needing some additional substantive tie to the essence of magic.
We know that in the Year of the Gauntlet (1369 DR) that a cabal of drow, Red Wizards, and Nightcloaks headed by a Shar-tainted Halaster of Undermountain lured the Seven Sisters into a number of confrontations in hopes of enabling Shar to steal the secrets of the silver fire from them (see Silverfall and Grand History of the Realms). I assume that these events, along with the retrieval of the Karsestone, gave Shar enough of the secrets and the manifest residual substance of raw magic needed to fully empower her own weave and make it stable and consistent enough to be accessible en masse. Moreover, I also suspect that these events gave her the insight needed to create the Rite of Unwinding, which was used by many of her followers to create dead magic rifts in the Weave in various locales across Toril in the Year of Lightning Storms and Risen Elfkin (1374-1375 DR), and which--unlike other dead magic areas--were specifically injurious to Mystra's Chosen, due to their existence being sustained by the silver fire.
You're like the hot chick that digs football. But, in an FR type of way.
Marry me?
That was my point, GOONIE!
I love to hate you.
-If you say so.
