So, can anyone suggest some possibilities for major cities like Waterdeep, Baldur's Gate and Suzail?
Will the Drow actually make the list now? What about Tieflings?
For example, the entries for Cormyr specifically state that the area is dominated by Humans, with considerable numbers of Elves and Half-Elves. It also says that adventurers from the world over are welcomed into the metropolis.
After 3 generations, have the less-desirable races made significant gains in these cosmopolitan areas?
-Of the three you listed above, I would say that only Baldur's Gate has a radically changed Demihuman population percentage, while the Demihuman population percentage in Waterdeep and Suzail are more or less the same as what is said in the FRCS.
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After 3 generations, have the less-desirable races made significant gains in these cosmopolitan areas?
-Didn't answer this initially. Yes, some "less desirable" races have made significant gains. Drow can be found freely moving about in such metropolitan centers (I guess the daylight no longer bothers them?) without fear of being attacked on sight. They aren't necessarily trusted, but can go about their own business without having to worry about being slain without cause.
What is the city that is the most racially diverse?
-Probably Waterdeep. Waterdeep gives you the metropolis above, plus Skullport and Undermountain below, which adds various Underdark creatures to the total equation.
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-The FRCG says that Baldur's Gate's pop is bigger than Waterdeep. Waterdeep could be bigger if you want, the choice is yours. Skullport is a ruin now. The Dungeon Level of Undermountain is now a ward of Waterdeep, called Downshadow. Or you could use a totally different city.
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-Population =/= Racial diversity. As I said, Waterdeep has access to Underdark races, though the inclusion of Skullport and Undermountain (which are still inhabited). Baldur's Gate has no access to the Underdark.
Then how about outside the capitol? Are there still bigots in the sticks, or is Cormyr tolerant?
Then how about outside the capitol? Are there still bigots in the sticks, or is Cormyr tolerant?
It is not racial bigotry to be fearful and take measures against drow and tieflings, which -- unlike ethnic groups different from one's own -- really do tend to be evil and dangerous to society.
It is not racial bigotry to be fearful and take measures against drow and tieflings, which -- unlike ethnic groups different from one's own -- really do tend to be evil and dangerous to society.
It is bigotry, by definition, to be intolerant. And I'm not asking for a lesson about whether it is or isn't: the setting specifically states that it is.
Obviously there is a serious difference between the Drow and Tieflings. I'm just seeking folks' opinion on whether a civilization like Cormyr's would experience it more or less in the cities compared to the countryside.
Before the Shades became public enemy #1, weren't the Drow from the Dales considered a threat?
-Anyway, Drow do indeed have a history of operating in the area. I don't think- at least recently- they were considered public enemy number 1, but they've always been in the back of people's minds, I would say.
It is bigotry, by definition, to be intolerant. And I'm not asking for a lesson about whether it is or isn't: the setting specifically states that it is.
Where does it state that it's bigotry to be afraid of members of a race that is (in previous editions, anyway--though drow in 4E still are generally evil) defined to be mostly evil? In the real world, there are no drow or people born from demons and devils, so using a real world definition of bigotry doesn't end all discussion about this subject.
Moreover, to liken defending oneself from beings who are probably evil and want to kill or enslave you to racism or sexism grotesquely absolves/trivializes the latter.
As a race, tieflings have prospered despite prejudice and preconceived notions of their evil nature.
Regardless of location, though, tieflings face the traditional prejudices associated with their race. Although assumptions of the race’s evil nature have lessened in recent decades, these attitudes nonetheless persist.
These statements are specifically saying that unreasonable intolerance toward Tieflings exists. That is bigotry. It's built into the setting, and it's on purpose.
Obviously the situation with the Drow is different. They are bigots.
It's 'have your cake and eat it': pandering to people who want to play a character that's 'edgy', with a frisson of evil, without having to pay real social consequences for it.
-And, as a side point, if a player picks a wacky race/class, and I, as the DM, allow it, you better bet that he/she's going to get some wacky responses, based on what they are/what they do. I guess magicians shouldn't be feared in certain places, then.