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Returned Abeir = Argonnessen in FR

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#1
kyblik
Sep 05, 2008 16:33:32 so Argonnessen was so cool in Eberron with all those dragons, that Forgotten Realms designers wanted also some cool Dragon lands..

if it has Eberron, Forgotten Realms will have it too!
#2
rauric
Sep 05, 2008 16:36:06 It is a continent ruled mostly by dragons. That is where the similarities end.
The dragons from Abeir will begin to start the plans of taking over Toril any minute now...
#3
Another_Gnome
Sep 05, 2008 17:27:11
so Argonnessen was so cool in Eberron with all those dragons, that Forgotten Realms designers wanted also some cool Dragon lands..

if it has Eberron, Forgotten Realms will have it too!

And the whole of Eberron is Arcanum with dragons. You're quite correct, game designers do indeed borrow ideas from one another.
#4
lord_karsus
Sep 05, 2008 21:38:05
so Argonnessen was so cool in Eberron with all those dragons, that Forgotten Realms designers wanted also some cool Dragon lands..

-The Forgotten Realms have the Dragon Baronies built into it's history, already.
#5
johnkretzer
Sep 06, 2008 0:08:07
so Argonnessen was so cool in Eberron with all those dragons, that Forgotten Realms designers wanted also some cool Dragon lands..

if it has Eberron, Forgotten Realms will have it too!

Well...let see here...
Plaguelands = Mournlands
Spellscars = Dragonmarks(both are even blue....)

I know designers borrow( or get inspired by) other games ideas but does it have to be so in company...
#6
lirdolin
Sep 06, 2008 2:00:07 "Until all are One!"
-Optimus Prime (well and Rodimus as well, but who cares?)

Best wishes
Lirdolin
#7
quale_
Sep 06, 2008 4:13:45 I don't find Argonessen interesting at all

Sarlona in the Utter East, that's cool
#8
BadCatMan
Sep 06, 2008 6:27:48 You mean the Utter East where Five Kingdoms went to war with Artificers and armies of golems (manufactured on Blood Forges) and undead? :D
#9
fabius_maximus
Sep 06, 2008 7:07:02
And the whole of Eberron is Arcanum with dragons. You're quite correct, game designers do indeed borrow ideas from one another.

Sorry, but that's wrong. There may be similarities, but the distinctions start already when it comes to the races.
#10
Another_Gnome
Sep 06, 2008 9:19:55 That's why it's called "generalization", and I dare anyone who's played Arcanum to claim that's not what they thought when they first heard what Eberron is like...
#11
kyblik
Sep 06, 2008 12:01:05 i like[ed] Forgotten Realms..
i like Eberron..
i like Arcanum.. and more

but, FR and Eberron were quite different worlds which was nice. FR was classical, still very cool fantasy world. Eberron is cool 'steam-technology-golems-train transportation' world quite very different from FR, that i begining to like Eberron even more coz it was 'new'..

now that some new stuff from 'post-nuclear' FR is very similar to Eberron stuff is kinda weird..
#12
Twiggly_the_Gnome
Sep 06, 2008 15:59:16 There is no steam-tech in Eberron.
#13
merrikcale
Sep 06, 2008 16:01:57
There is no steam-tech in Eberron.

sure there is
#14
Twiggly_the_Gnome
Sep 06, 2008 16:04:37
sure there is

Where?
#15
merrikcale
Sep 06, 2008 16:19:36 All over the place, or is that steam-punk

ahhh...who cares? its just Eberron
#16
kouk
Sep 06, 2008 16:27:22
Where?

Feh, you don't think Cannith has rigged fire elementals to make steam to power anything? At least to make a sauna?

But I definitely see "OK, it's still the Forgotten Realms you love! But now it also comes with all the nice Eberron goodness too!" as a sort of hidden message in the new FR.

Just takes away from both settings to combine them, in my mind.

EDIT: Hmm, what would be the best way to combine 'Eberron' with 'Forgotten Realms' into a single name, which results in being both slightly amusing and yet derogatory at the same time?
#17
lord_karsus
Sep 06, 2008 17:13:28
EDIT: Hmm, what would be the best way to combine 'Eberron' with 'Forgotten Realms' into a single name, which results in being both slightly amusing and yet derogatory at the same time?

-The Forberron Realms?
#18
jiggawha_dup
Sep 06, 2008 18:26:55
You mean the Utter East where Five Kingdoms went to war with Artificers and armies of golems (manufactured on Blood Forges) and undead? :D

Adar is the part of Yehimal, Riedra is to the west, except quori are fey, not aberrations, I'm sick of them, the tundra is a plateau of Yehimal

I don't like some of the realms there like Konigheim, Riedra and Adar have the eastern feel, at first Sarlona was Anchorome
#19
deva_of_mystra_dup
Sep 06, 2008 22:08:36 I love the returned Albeir. It begs for my players, a group of Dragon Slayers from Faerun to invade and 'go berserk' in the evil dragon lands... We'll continue playing 3.5ed as there's so much more classes and races and magic to choose from, but otherwise keep FCSG 4E history and map. Hmm they probably have to sneak around as the human/oids of RA is afraid of dragons and don't dare even think of slaying dragons... :D
#20
fabius_maximus
Sep 07, 2008 7:15:37
Feh, you don't think Cannith has rigged fire elementals to make steam to power anything? At least to make a sauna?

That's a bit too expensive, don't you think? Continual Flame torches or self-heating stones would be more like it.

And no, no steam-tech in Eberron. Magi-tech? Yes.
#21
karazhan
Sep 07, 2008 18:12:44 Forget Eberron, the dragon overlords are straight from DL :D . It's a shame that they felt the need to remove the unique qualities of the setting and replace with snippets of other settings.
#22
kyblik
Sep 08, 2008 0:40:16
Forget Eberron, the dragon overlords are straight from DL :D . It's a shame that they felt the need to remove the unique qualities of the setting and replace with snippets of other settings.

exactly
#23
Kensan_Oni
Sep 08, 2008 1:18:35 People remember that Ed wrote the writeup for Abeir, right?

Well, whatever. I've read about Abeir, and my first impression was Council of Wyrms initially. However, there is a lot of stuff in there, and it's not like anything else, really. Oh sure, there are some simularities, but I think if you play with it, it'll end up feeling much different then anything else you've played with.

In anycase, play on.
#24
rauric
Sep 08, 2008 7:18:23
People remember that Ed wrote the writeup for Abeir, right?

Well, whatever. I've read about Abeir, and my first impression was Council of Wyrms initially. However, there is a lot of stuff in there, and it's not like anything else, really. Oh sure, there are some simularities, but I think if you play with it, it'll end up feeling much different then anything else you've played with.

In anycase, play on.

FR and EBs continent of dragons can be considered to have been inspired by the Council of Wyrms product.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 kyblik Sep 05, 2008 16:33:32	so Argonnessen was so cool in Eberron with all those dragons, that Forgotten Realms designers wanted also some cool Dragon lands.. if it has Eberron, Forgotten Realms will have it too!
#2 rauric Sep 05, 2008 16:36:06	It is a continent ruled mostly by dragons. That is where the similarities end. The dragons from Abeir will begin to start the plans of taking over Toril any minute now...
#3 Another_Gnome Sep 05, 2008 17:27:11	so Argonnessen was so cool in Eberron with all those dragons, that Forgotten Realms designers wanted also some cool Dragon lands.. if it has Eberron, Forgotten Realms will have it too! And the whole of Eberron is Arcanum with dragons. You're quite correct, game designers do indeed borrow ideas from one another.
#4 lord_karsus Sep 05, 2008 21:38:05	so Argonnessen was so cool in Eberron with all those dragons, that Forgotten Realms designers wanted also some cool Dragon lands.. -The Forgotten Realms have the Dragon Baronies built into it's history, already.
#5 johnkretzer Sep 06, 2008 0:08:07	so Argonnessen was so cool in Eberron with all those dragons, that Forgotten Realms designers wanted also some cool Dragon lands.. if it has Eberron, Forgotten Realms will have it too! Well...let see here... Plaguelands = Mournlands Spellscars = Dragonmarks(both are even blue....) I know designers borrow( or get inspired by) other games ideas but does it have to be so in company...
#6 lirdolin Sep 06, 2008 2:00:07	"Until all are One!" -Optimus Prime (well and Rodimus as well, but who cares?) Best wishes Lirdolin
#7 quale_ Sep 06, 2008 4:13:45	I don't find Argonessen interesting at all Sarlona in the Utter East, that's cool
#8 BadCatMan Sep 06, 2008 6:27:48	You mean the Utter East where Five Kingdoms went to war with Artificers and armies of golems (manufactured on Blood Forges) and undead? :D
#9 fabius_maximus Sep 06, 2008 7:07:02	And the whole of Eberron is Arcanum with dragons. You're quite correct, game designers do indeed borrow ideas from one another. Sorry, but that's wrong. There may be similarities, but the distinctions start already when it comes to the races.
#10 Another_Gnome Sep 06, 2008 9:19:55	That's why it's called "generalization", and I dare anyone who's played Arcanum to claim that's not what they thought when they first heard what Eberron is like...
#11 kyblik Sep 06, 2008 12:01:05	i like[ed] Forgotten Realms.. i like Eberron.. i like Arcanum.. and more but, FR and Eberron were quite different worlds which was nice. FR was classical, still very cool fantasy world. Eberron is cool 'steam-technology-golems-train transportation' world quite very different from FR, that i begining to like Eberron even more coz it was 'new'.. now that some new stuff from 'post-nuclear' FR is very similar to Eberron stuff is kinda weird..
#12 Twiggly_the_Gnome Sep 06, 2008 15:59:16	There is no steam-tech in Eberron.
#13 merrikcale Sep 06, 2008 16:01:57	There is no steam-tech in Eberron. sure there is
#14 Twiggly_the_Gnome Sep 06, 2008 16:04:37	sure there is Where?
#15 merrikcale Sep 06, 2008 16:19:36	All over the place, or is that steam-punk ahhh...who cares? its just Eberron
#16 kouk Sep 06, 2008 16:27:22	Where? Feh, you don't think Cannith has rigged fire elementals to make steam to power anything? At least to make a sauna? But I definitely see "OK, it's still the Forgotten Realms you love! But now it also comes with all the nice Eberron goodness too!" as a sort of hidden message in the new FR. Just takes away from both settings to combine them, in my mind. EDIT: Hmm, what would be the best way to combine 'Eberron' with 'Forgotten Realms' into a single name, which results in being both slightly amusing and yet derogatory at the same time?
#17 lord_karsus Sep 06, 2008 17:13:28	EDIT: Hmm, what would be the best way to combine 'Eberron' with 'Forgotten Realms' into a single name, which results in being both slightly amusing and yet derogatory at the same time? -The Forberron Realms?
#18 jiggawha_dup Sep 06, 2008 18:26:55	You mean the Utter East where Five Kingdoms went to war with Artificers and armies of golems (manufactured on Blood Forges) and undead? :D Adar is the part of Yehimal, Riedra is to the west, except quori are fey, not aberrations, I'm sick of them, the tundra is a plateau of Yehimal I don't like some of the realms there like Konigheim, Riedra and Adar have the eastern feel, at first Sarlona was Anchorome
#19 deva_of_mystra_dup Sep 06, 2008 22:08:36	I love the returned Albeir. It begs for my players, a group of Dragon Slayers from Faerun to invade and 'go berserk' in the evil dragon lands... We'll continue playing 3.5ed as there's so much more classes and races and magic to choose from, but otherwise keep FCSG 4E history and map. Hmm they probably have to sneak around as the human/oids of RA is afraid of dragons and don't dare even think of slaying dragons... :D
#20 fabius_maximus Sep 07, 2008 7:15:37	Feh, you don't think Cannith has rigged fire elementals to make steam to power anything? At least to make a sauna? That's a bit too expensive, don't you think? Continual Flame torches or self-heating stones would be more like it. And no, no steam-tech in Eberron. Magi-tech? Yes.
#21 karazhan Sep 07, 2008 18:12:44	Forget Eberron, the dragon overlords are straight from DL :D . It's a shame that they felt the need to remove the unique qualities of the setting and replace with snippets of other settings.
#22 kyblik Sep 08, 2008 0:40:16	Forget Eberron, the dragon overlords are straight from DL :D . It's a shame that they felt the need to remove the unique qualities of the setting and replace with snippets of other settings. exactly
#23 Kensan_Oni Sep 08, 2008 1:18:35	People remember that Ed wrote the writeup for Abeir, right? Well, whatever. I've read about Abeir, and my first impression was Council of Wyrms initially. However, there is a lot of stuff in there, and it's not like anything else, really. Oh sure, there are some simularities, but I think if you play with it, it'll end up feeling much different then anything else you've played with. In anycase, play on.
#24 rauric Sep 08, 2008 7:18:23	People remember that Ed wrote the writeup for Abeir, right? Well, whatever. I've read about Abeir, and my first impression was Council of Wyrms initially. However, there is a lot of stuff in there, and it's not like anything else, really. Oh sure, there are some simularities, but I think if you play with it, it'll end up feeling much different then anything else you've played with. In anycase, play on. FR and EBs continent of dragons can be considered to have been inspired by the Council of Wyrms product.