-What edition are you talking about? There are already stats for 3e Saurials, if you weren't aware already.
In 4e, the Song of the Saurials has become a funeral-dirge. :P
Here is a link to that thread
I was talking about new 4th ed stats. I actually have the 3rd ed stats from the web enhancement for Serpent Kingdoms.
-That's what I figured, but I wasn't sure.
-You can always take the Dragonborn stats, and call the creature a Saurial. There's already precedent of that in the Forgotten Realms right now (Sun Elves/Moon Elves/Star Elves using Eladrin stats, but not being actual Eladrin), and it should be fairly easy to do.
The new 'Less is More' attitude is starting to wear thin on me again...
And the pendulum begins to swing back the other way... :embarrass
The Dragonborn stats only really work for one type.
-Obviously, you'd have to work on it, a bit. But, if you want to give some wings, it shouldn't be that hard. You don't need mechanics to quantify it. Just say, "It has wings", and make it fly.
The new 'Less is More' attitude is starting to wear thin on me again...
And the pendulum begins to swing back the other way... :embarrass
-It's that time of the month?
When I asked about the Saurials, BRJ (Iakhovas to some) said that they were mentioned, but didn't give us any more to go on. But I agree, they won't be statted in 4e. especially not with Dragonborn taking up their niche.
Here is a link to that thread
Very true. AS well as with their less is more attitude that MarkusTay63 was talking about I really don't buy it. I mean I can see it with all the initial books and such but as more and more supplements start coming out I think we are gonna start to see more and more of the old WoTC. Just always adding more and more and more options to the point it seems ridiculous at times.
But seems we are all in agreement no sight of new Saurial stats anywhere on or past the horizon.
-It's that time of the month?
Not the correct thread for this, buuuut...
Its just with all the new info coming from the early-FRCG receivers, its like rubbing salt in an old wound.
I'll get over it again, I suppose.
As for the Saurials - I did an avatar of one (Dragonbait) awhile back, but I don't know if it got sent in with the last batch. I have a new batch ready; I was just waiting to add some more 4e ones into the mix.
I should work on that and send them out - maybe I'll even add in the other three types just to show these guys some new love (and get WotC to do something official with tem).
LK - send me that name/address again for the forum dude - I deleted that PM by accident. The last time I asked a Wiz-O to do someting, I got the "It's not my job" attitude from them.
(Private Message Sent. ;))
Is there anything these shady people can't do? They also have yet another floating city so I assume some ritual will be forthcoming to explain their creation.
Is there anything these shady people can't do? They also have yet another floating city so I assume some ritual will be forthcoming to explain their creation.
-I am assuming this is the Sakkors Enclave. This enclave was recovered and sent back into the sky in 1374 DR.
Do theses designers ever bother reading their own sourcebooks?
Oh... wait.. I was already officially told they don't...
Anyhow - drove them UNDERGROUND?!
Even the flyers?
Inconceivable!
Wasn't that the Enclave that was just a ppile of rubble?
-No. It was a lot more than a pile of rubble.
pg. 109 of LEoF, second paragraph, top left -
"Sakkors is now little more then a pile of rubble..."
It was Nhalloth that survived the fall fairly intact.
One more instance of authors knowing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the setting they are writing in.
Incorrect (as was the obviously mis-informed novels).
pg. 109 of LEoF, second paragraph, top left -
"Sakkors is now little more then a pile of rubble..."
It was Nhalloth that survived the fall fairly intact.
One more instance of authors knowing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the setting they are writing in.
-Sakkors was obviously a little more than a pile of rubble. The entry makes no mention of The Source, either.
How come in other arguments, you tell me that the sourcebooks can't be wrong because of that?
Obviously they used the wrong city in the novel (or whatever), because they just didn't bother to do their homework (like usual).
It was written in the omnipotent 3rd-person of 3e.
How come in other arguments, you tell me that the sourcebooks can't be wrong because of that?
Obviously they used the wrong city in the novel (or whatever), because they just didn't bother to do their homework (like usual).
-How large is a boulder to a giant? A pebble. Perspective, perspective...
It was a mistake - why can't you just agree with me for once?
I wonder if the Shades have developed psionic talents of their own, or are kidnapping psions from other regions (lots of descendents of Jhaamdath in Sembia)?
-Magadon, who first accessed it was kidnapped by the Shadovar. No reason that they wouldn't continue kidnapping known Psions now that he's gone from their clutches.
And they used Sakkors, when there was a perfectly good other Enclave (Nhalloth) nearby, and intact?
It was a mistake - why can't you just agree with me for once?
-Because Sakkors was used.
-Magadon, who first accessed it was kidnapped by the Shadovar. No reason that they wouldn't continue kidnapping known Psions now that he's gone from their clutches.
I may just have to have a chat with them about that...
On another side note, it was the fall of Nhalloth that led to the fall of Jhaamdath, since Admiral Jhoren Mhulth, grandfather of the Emperor Dharien, witnessed it and after learning of the fall of Netheril, began to plan a way to avoid the same fate for Jhaamdath. Although he never learned the truth of the fall, assuming it was due to Netheril's enemies.
I may just have to have a chat with them about that...
-I'm sure all parties involved will find it illuminating.
I had a saurial once... my Mommy put Bacitracin on it.
I had a saurial once... my Mommy put Bacitracin on it.
-And here I was expecting you to say 'Batrachitration', or 'Bacitrachi', or something like that. :P
However, I looked it up, and you are correct - that pic I think was taken from something else (I can tell because the out-lining wasn't done very well - it was obviouly lifted from something), but the pics that appeard in the 2e Monstrous Compendium Annual #3 were pretty bad ones of the Saurials (not terrible, but certainly not the quality we see above).
Replacing parts of the exising setting by over-writing old material is NOT conducive to having a setting grow and mature.
ALL of the changes they made could have been added with a light touch, and there were plenty of areas that were never given any lore.
No... someone had it in for the Old Realms... someone who hated it...
Our Unther is different but some aspects of it's society show mesopotamian origins, for example there is a Dustmen group that includes Sumerian afterlife beliefs, and one that has Gilgamean views about cruelty of life. Not everything was bad about Unther and it didn't deserve to get trashed.
They already had Tiamat in Unther and did nothing with it.
No... someone had it in for the Old Realms... someone who hated it...
or as a friend of mine said earlier, maybe WotC is trying to force Ed out completely like TSR did with Gary. "Gee..thanks for all the great ideas and making us money...but we dont need you now, so leave."
nah, I never liked Unther cause it's such a RL copy, but Tymather is even worse.
-Unther was certainly less Realmsified than Mulhorand.
They already had Tiamat in Unther and did nothing with it.
-They already had a plothook of Dragon eggs raining down on the region, and Bahamut and Tiamat racing to get to them first (think Transformers), and didn't do anything with it!