Altumbel was founded by Unther!
That means that the majority of blood (which has been diluted over the years) was originally Mulan, and more specifically Untheric, which mean that the Untherin (Babylonian/Sumerian) Pantheon could still have a foothold there (or whats left of it).
Its a tiny country with very little in the way of canon lore about it, so it would be pretty easy to establish a strong presence for Hoar there. Add to that that the Thayans were trying to help the Untherites against Mullhorand toward the end, and we have a scenario wherein the Thayans - during that final 3e decade - began a mass evacuation of the greatful (:devil
Untherites to their former colony of Altumbel.Why would the Thayans do that? After all, they were only helping the Untherites against Mulhorand because they did not want Mulhorand to be able to focus on Thay alone in the fututre. Once Unther fell, there really wouldn't be much of a reason for them to further help Unther... unless they decided to switch tactics.
Thay's other big nemesis is Aglarond, and what better way to use their investment into their 'Free Unther" campaign then dump a ton of greatful (loyal?) people on the otherside of Aglarond! Szass Tam's a clever one, and would be like him not to waste such a valuable resource of people by using them against a different enemy - albeit covertly. Thay's navy is more then adequate for a such a large-scale evacuation (not to mention the Wizard's opening portals).
Now Thay would have something they've always wanted - access to a port more central to the Inner Sea, and a legitimate reason to be skirting Aglarond's coast.
Once the Spellplague hits, all bets are off, so a DM could play this any way he wanted - a puppet-state of Thay, or a new, free 'Unther' on the northern coast of of the Sea of Fallen Stars (for those that are sorry to see the original fall).
Considering that all the southern cities on Aglarond's coast were originally Untherin and most of them are controlled by Thay these days, I think this would be a natural projection forward of Zsass Tam's cunning.
So, what does everyone think about using Altumbel this way?
So if you like 4e (or even post 1375 DR 3e), but also liked Unther, you can have your cake and eat it to.
Which is always good, because just keeping the cake lying around isn't really all that good an idea... ;)
Was any of the pantheon even left by the end of the ToT? Or is Tiamat part of it too or something... should be, no idea if that's the case or not officially though.
-Tiamat...Hoar...And, I think that's all.
Null, Sardior, Nathair Sgiatach, Io, Kereska are far more interesting
Altumbel was largely founded by those who were angered by the Elf (and Half-Elf) vs Human war that took place between the years 1033 DR to 1065 DR. It was after this that an embittered group of humans fled to the rocky coast of Altumbel - humans that held a grudge against the Elves and rejected the new kingdom.
Altumbel itself is mostly a barren rock with little in the way of natural resources. It is surrounded by an archipelago of islands known as the Thousand Swords, with the largest island called Ghevden, being more than thirty miles wide.
Most people who live in Altumbel or its archipelago (around 1/3rd of the population lives out on the Thousand Swords) are fishers and herders, with a small number being merchants and a larger number being Pirates. Although, it should be noted, that since the Simbul's "death to all pirates" proclamations the "trade" of Piracy has drop dramatically - despite being a separate nation.
Overall Altumbel does not appear to be a unified nation, simply a loosely knit together group of villages and larger settlements scattered across a largely uninhabited region. They seem to mostly be connected via their dislike of the Simbul, their dislike of Elves, and their resentment of Aglarond - a sizable majority might even dislike and distrust magic.
I would imagine life would be more difficult than in other places - there are few trees in Altumbel, and only a handful of places suitable for gardening (note I say gardening and not farming). The only saving grace for Altumbel is the deep trench off its fog-covered northern coast which brings a seasonal upwelling of cold, nutrient-rich water, making it a fishers paradise.
The Capital of Altumbel is Spandeliyon, which is known as the City of Pirates, it is likely that the most farmable land is located near there. It should be pointed out that, despite it's name, thanks to the Simbul (as noted above), it isn't much of a Pirate city anymore.
It is likely that the Sons of Hoar have a large base of operations somewhere in Altumbel, most likely Spandeliyon, and likely other bases scattered throughout the region.
The Sons of Hoar is a newly formed group (in terms of 3E Lore) that is dedicated to removing the Simbul from the throne to install a "normal" person in her place. By normal, they mean a non-magic using human of Velprin's old line. They play upon Aglarondans' natural distrust of magic, primarily as a result of their dealings with the Red Wizards. To give a direct quote: "They want a real hero on the throne, one of the people, not someone capitulated to power through pacts with unnatural forces."
While it is obvious that they have a strong base of support in Altumbel, they also have support within the Fang and the more independent human regions of Aglarond. They are nominally divided between two groups: cynical racists acting out of ambition and hatred and idealists who envision a different (albeit in their minds a better) future for Aglarond.
In 3E the core of the Sons (the racist faction) were planning a well-orchestrated coup to seize power over their homeland, while the rank and file (the idealists) believe the leaders of the group to be largely honorable. The leaders are carefully feeling out the appointed rulers of every major settlement in the nation and region, attempting to convince them to side with them or step aside for someone who will. They make frequent public calls for the Simbul to give up her throne, and when or if she does, they plan to install one of their own as a ruler over an entirely human-dominated Aglarond. This will likely once again give rise to a new elf (and half-elf) war against the Humans.
The most likely candidate for this is Prince Auvur Mindosel (LG human male Ari9), the hereditary Prince of Milvarune, a tiny independent city-state that is located across the Sea of Dlurg, and is loosely affiliated with Thesk. He is a young and flamboyant man whose ambitions are too large for his tiny kingdom. He has the best claim to Aglarond's throne, because his great-great-grandfather Elthas married one of the Gray Sisters who ruled that kingdom more than a hundred years ago, and the rest of the royal line (to the best of his knowledge) has since died out.
The Sons of Hoar are in secret negotiations with him, though he is unusually cautious.
The Sons of Hoar also have a base of operations in the Fang. Quelzur Naismen, a pirate captain, has recently captured a light house in the region and is using it to lure ships onto the reefs - which then crash - and his pirates loot. Naismen is in the pay of the Sons of Hoar to disrupt trade in the region, and they are likely blaming it on the Simbul.
Alright: Now let's talk about ancestral ties in regard to Altumbel. The people of Aglarond and thus also Altumbel are a mixed folk - they have ties to Unther, who first established themselves on the coast of Aglarond in -1250 DR. However, after Jhaamdath was destroyed, some of its survivors settled in Altumbel in -255 DR, so they were the first. This also likely means that Altumbel has a small percentage of psionicists among the population, maybe slightly higher than normal.
Between the years -100 DR to 250 DR Jhaamdathan settlements begin to dot Altumbel's islands, and Chessentans colonize a broad stretch of coastline from Delthuntle to Laothkund in Aglarond.
In 400 DR Escalant is founded by Chessentans. Then in 482 DR Delthuntle and Loaothkund rebel from Unther, forming the League of Samathar. Unther then begins a campaign to retake their cities in 504 DR, which is largely unsuccessful, as by 625 DR Esclant also rebels from Unther, joining the League. In 677 DR Gilgeam of Unther organizes an expedition to crush the rebels, and suffers terrible losses in a great storm and turns back without even landing. Two years later in 670 DR Unther recognizes the League of Samathar, and Unther never recovers from the long and costly campaign.
Almost a hundred years later in 756 DR the humans begin to push further inland, and in 773 DR Velprintalar, one of the towns founded in 756 DR along with other towns in northern Aglarond unite as Velprin, a human kingdom with the goal of taking the entire peninsula.
Nearly a hundred years after that, between 870 DR to 880 DR the humans come into contact with the Yuir Elves who had avoided contact with the humans for centuries. The Elves and humans then mix, giving rise to a nation of half-elves in the Yuirwood.
In 929 DR Chessenta rebels against Unther, followed by Tchazzar attacking the Wizard's Reach cities in 953 DR, which results in the League of Samathar breaking up as various cities fall to him or make separate peace agreements with him to become tributary states. Of course, Tchazzar disappears fighting sahuagin in 1019 DR. It was not long after that, in 1033 DR that the half-elves of the Yuirwood take up arms to resist the humans of Velprin in a border clash that quickly grows bitter.
This quickly escalates to full fledged war as Indrila Demaz becomes Queen of Velprin in 1058 DR, she quickly marshals an army to invade the Yuirwood in a war that would last between 1058 DR to 1065 DR. The Yuir defeat the human army and dictate a peace to the human settlements of Velprin, forging a single nation. The Half-Elven King Brindor Olossyne becomes the first king of the new nation of Aglarond. It was after this act that humans from Aglarond, bitter from the loss and their hatred of half-elves and elves, migrated to Altumbel in a number of small waves.
So in conclusion: Altumbel has a base mix of three main nationalities Jhaamdathan (the original settlers), Untherian and Chessentian. It is likely, however, by the time the Untherian and Chessentians migrated that they had interbred with one another.
However, as evidenced Hoar has some worshipers in Altumbel and it is likely his primary stronghold of worship now that Unther has fallen. It is likely here that he first became known as "Hoar" instead of "Assuran".
As we push forward into 4E Lore, we know the Simbul is missing. All of the original Sons of Hoar are dead because they were all humans. The Spellplague has likely given rise to an even greater measure of mistrust of magic among the people of Aglarond. Much depends on the Red Wizards and their rise to power.
Hoar may have grown in strength during this time, and perhaps even been altered all together. Untherian people fleeing the conquest of Unther by Mulhorand may have also fled to Altumbel. As we do not know what has happened to Mulhorand, aside from the fact it has changed drastically, it would not be shocking to learn that a sizable number of Mulhorandi people relocated in Aglarond or Altumbel.
Thus I would say this by the start of 4E: Altumbel has had a mix of Mulhorandi, Untherian, Chessentian and Jhaamdathan ancestry. They dislike arcane magic and have an intense dislike for non-human races, they are even xenophobic toward all non-humans born outside of their culture. They have an above average number of psions in their midst, and it is likely if they formed any sort of cohesive nation, that it is ruled by psions, or at least psionists have a great deal of influence there.
If you want to go further, during the chaos that followed the Spellplague, the Sons of Hoar finally got the chance to make their move and retook Aglarond in a bloodless coup. The Simbul has gone missing, we know this much, we do not know for how long, and with her gone that gives them the perfect opportunity to strike. Aglarond and Altumbel are reunited and have spent the last hundred years battling Red Wizards and battling the remnants of the Elves and Half-Elves of the Yuirwood. This gave rise to the need of psionists, which now have strong influence over the nation, acting as a counter balance to the arcane powers of Thay.
There are a lot of things you can do here over the course of 100 years. Both Chessenta and Unther are gone. Mulhorand has changed dramatically, Aglarond could become a sort of last refuge for the Old Empires. Hoar could get his vengeance against Anhur and defeat Horus-Re. He could become known as Assuran again, the god of the sun, vengeance, rulership, war and poetic justice. A handful of the survivors of the Mulhorandi Pantheon could then serve under him (Hathor, Isis, Nephthys, Osiris and Thoth). They would stand opposed to Mulhorand (likely taken over by Set), Thay, and more-or-less everyone outside their nation. The Church of Assuran (Hoar) would rule alongside a hereditary king.
Those are some possibilities.
If you don't mind, and Alediran excepts it, I'd like to use that as part of our 1385 DR and beyond history we are putting together for people who want to play through the Spellplague and use 3e rules.
I have also brought back Anu in the South (in Ulgarth and the Ue), so he would be a third candidate (alongside Hoar and Tiamet), but thats certainly NOT canon.
Several of the surviving members of the Pantheon left after most were killed during the Orcgate wars - it is possible they could return if 'their people' were in dire need (although Ishtar gave her FR power over to Isis before she left).
We've also discussed the possibility of Druaga being active at one point in the Ue, possibly under the alias Ysdar.
I doubt Anu's worship would travel that far north, even within one hundred years without a massive migration. I also doubt the Untherian pantheon would return, especially for those in Aglarond. Keep in mind that they really aren't Untherian anymore, they've separated culturally, but there may have been a new wave of immigration after Mulhorand began its conquest of Unther... but that would only be limited to a couple or several thousand, I think.
Tiamat likely also has a base of power in Aglarond via the Cult of the Dragon. As per 3E lore the Cult of the Dragon has a secret cell in the village of Glarondar, who venerate Nartheling, the fang dragon of Umbergoth. They were making regular pilgrimages to the mountain. As per canon their leader Winn Kardzen (CE half-elf Nec7) was plotting to use the dragon in an attack against the fortress at Glarondar by reanimating corpses in the Umber Marches to simulate a Thayan attack. It was designed to draw the patrols from the Watchwall, giving Nartheling a chance to ravage the town while the army was off chasing decoys.
Of course, I don't know what happened to Nartheling during the Rage of the Dragons in 1373 DR. Thankfully the WotC Website has some information on him here.
I would say the following: During the Rage of Dragons Nartheling, to avoid madness, and to give him an edge against the upcoming battle against the beholders underwent the process to become a Dracolich. Perhaps he already agreed to it prior to the Rage.
In any event, he destroys the beholders and becomes the undisputed ruler of Umbergoth. The Cult of the Dragon then successfully pull off their scheme to take Glarondar around the same time Tam makes his play for power in Thay. This can distract the Simbul, or alternatively she can go missing around the same time.
Not long after that the Spellplague happens, thus pretty much making this move by the cult insignificant to more-or-less everyone in Aglarond.
This allows the Cult to prosper, opening the door for the faithful of Tiamat to put down some roots, and maybe even over time open up the possibility of Nartheling becoming an exarch of Tiamat.
Since Glarondar is primarily populated by Half-Elves from the Yuirwood it is not something the Sons of Hoar would care much about. Additionally, since Hoar and Tiamat are at odds with one another, it pretty much sets up a nice little conflict to have there.
Markus was right!
Though I agree, the throne was never a great fit for her...
I like her myself, just not as queen of anything. Doesn't really suit her temperment from what I've gathered of it.
Personally I never really thought that the Simbul cared that much about Aglarond. She is an agent of Mystra and she has one of the biggest nations of mages to police, so the job was just convenient.
So no I don't think the Untherites would stick together. They probably got eaten by abeirations anyway.
But seriously, I'm more-or-less in agreement. It is why I suggested a culture of assimilation, with a higher focus on the Mulhorandi deities. Being recently conquered by Mulhorand almost every Untherian knows the Mulhorandi deities by name, and pays homage to them at least on some level.
Given her name, I suspect you're wrong there. I think she cares a great deal about Aglarond... not necessarily the people mind you, but the country. ;)
And she was after all chosen for the job by the former queen, although you could still argue that she was wrongly chosen.
Back to the OP, the thing is the people of Unther have had a rather depressing history. I for one do not see them as a majority as people that have a strong national identity or national pride. They seem more likely to disperse than to gather up in a separate location.
-Depends on the group you are looking at. The elite, the affluent, the important, all are more likely to regard themselves as Untheric, as opposed to the poor, the poverty stricken, the unimportant nobodies, who trudge on day in and day out.
It is simply intelligent to decapitate the local power structure by either eliminating them or enslaving them and transfering them away from their former location. Technically it is good to do the same to the rest of the population as well, but only after consolidating your sovereignty, while with the nobles this is more imminent.I meant the nobles but was not in the mood for a debate
-They're the ones with the money, the power, and the influence. They're the ones you leave alone, that you absorb into your own.
You know, I've always found it interesting that Mulhorand held slaves despite being a largely LG society. I mean, the large bulk of the slaves were held by the church of Horus-Re, a LG deity and the leader of the nation is a LG Paladin.
This seems to imply that slavery is not inherently evil, but is something along the Law / Chaos axis instead. Slavery only seems to be evil in regard to how you treat your slaves, not the fact that you actually possess them - and I believe, if I am not mistaken, that slavery in Mulhorand, while being unfree, is perhaps better than (or at least equal too) being a peasant in Cormyr.
I actually had a thread that was stickied on the mature boards dealing with various types of slavery before the forums were shuffled around. In that I labeled feudalism as a form of slavery, as the peasants are bound to the land, and unable to leave or abandon it without the consent of their lord. Thus, unless someone wanted to make every feudalistic kingdom (something that is very common in D&D) evil, what matters is not the freedom of the people but rather the treatment of them.
Slightly off track, but it is something I always liked about Mulhorand.
The thread I created talked about various forms of slavery, and some that would be unique to D&D (such as magical domination).
Sure, culturally speaking in the real world we're predisposed to see slavery as evil - but generally speaking good and evil are subjective terms in the real world whereas it is not so in the D&D world.
I am not as knowledgeable as I'd like to be on Mulhorand, but I do believe that the slaves there are treated more like favored pets than cattle. You'd never harm one unless they've done something really, really bad - it'd be the equivalent of kicking your dog. You'd love your slave like a member of your family, but they wouldn't be put on the same level of rights or acceptance as your family. That's how I imagine a noble in Mulhorand treating a slave, which is significantly better (IMO) than being a poor peasant in Cormyr. It would even afford you rights not given to free people in Mulhorand due to your status as a favored slave of a powerful family.
But to be honest, I am not sure how slaves held by the Church would be treated, but I imagine they are treated in a similar fashion. Additionally, with the Church of Horus-Re being so lawful there is likely a strict code on how to treat a slave properly in ways that are humane.
Besides, how odd is it to see a Paladin with slaves?
Nymrohd-
As I said above, that is certainly the gut reaction, but if that were the case how can there ever be a good aligned king or queen in the Realms that does not end feudalistic rule?
As for the Mulhorandi, they did treat their slaves well, often educated them and favored slaves would often retire to relative comfort at old age or even be emancipated by the church.
None of that, though, really explains (if one believes slavery to be evil in D&D) how the Church of Horus-Re, who is a Lawful Good deity with Lawful Good clergy and paladins, is able to keep slaves and maintain his alignment.
I rationalized it by looking at it this way: If extreme Chaos is supposed to represent true freedom and individuality, would not extreme Lawfulness represent conformity and the lack of freedom and individuality? (I.E. Some type of slavery.) Thus the Good / Evil aspect would only come into play when it comes to the way you treat your slaves.
I am reminded of watching a show on the history channel dealing with rural poor in China. It really helped me see the Western World (and the United States in particular) in a different light. They found our notion of freedom (which we believe to be a good thing) as a strange concept. They believed freedom to be, basically, doing whatever you want whenever you wanted to do it. They didn't believe such a society could exist. In contrast they were living lives of extreme order and tradition, which to me seemed very alien - something I could never personally tolerate. Listening to what they thought and understood of the United States and the Western World helped me have new insight into how a completely different culture (one that would be very similar to Mulhorand - very rooted in tradition and highly lawful) would view "freedom". I imagine that the thought of freedom for most in the Realms, from Cormyr to Mulhorand and beyond is very similar.
You know, I've always found it interesting that Mulhorand held slaves despite being a largely LG society. I mean, the large bulk of the slaves were held by the church of Horus-Re, a LG deity and the leader of the nation is a LG Paladin.
-If slaves are treated properly, is it really evil? They might even be treated better off than they would have, had they not become indentured to whatever organizations they work for.
Evil is not an objective concept.
-In D&D? Sure it is. Demons, Devils and Yugoloth are evil incarnate, as well as the planes that they inhabit and war on.
-If slaves are treated properly, is it really evil?
It is if you believe a human being cannot be someone else's property.
And yes when the legal system considers slaves property and files offenses and transactions concerning them as issues of property well I still cannot see those as hallmarks of a good society. It is not necessary evil, but it certainly is not good.
Bear in mind that the Mulhorandi deities were always on the lawful side of LG anyway.
What I was doing here (with this thread) was coming up with options for people who liked Unther and wanted to continue using it, either post-1379 DR or in 4e.
I like the idea that it was all the rich merchants and nobles that had the money, power, and wherewithal to flee from Mulhorandi opression - it would mean that it was only the downtrodden that wound up in Abeir (or taken over, if that region wasn't physically swapped).
The aristocrats would be the people that went to Altumbel, and it wouldn't be long before the newcomers started 'lording it over the natives'. I could see an Unther-clone possibly developing there over the course of the 'lost century' - especially if The Enclave somehow managed to reatian their powers through the Spellplague!
Think about it - in 2e and earlier we heard about "southern magic" being different, but aside from needing a different spell to read it, they didn't really do much with that plothook. Then in 3e, it was completely ignored. You can easily bring that back and say that The Enclave followed traditions of magic dating back to their old, low-magic world, and they were able to cast using Raw-magic (albeit with a great amount of difficulty). If that were the case, they would have become a power to be reconned with after the fall of the Weave and the coming of the Spellplague.
I can see this cabal setting themselves up in a little Magocracy (similar to what is/was in Thay) in Altumbel.
Strangely, I never thought I'd miss Unther... until they replaced it with soemthing SO much worse.
I feel like DL took a giant Crap in the middle of my setting.
;) :P
-Tiamat...Hoar...And, I think that's all.
Not quite. Dragons of Faerun pg. 8 states, that the untheric god 'Marduk, the Justice Bringer' is an alias of Bahamut.
Altumbel might be a good place to save some untheric culture, but i could imagine to 'save' the gone cultures via Earthmotes. Those things will probably never be mapped in detail, so there could be some city-states that were ripped of Faerun still be 'in orbit'. Same goes for Maztica. Imagine an interconnected cluster of earthmotes with pyramides/ziggurats in both cases.
Concerning the Simbul, I hope, she will become a Demigod following the epic path of the same name.
Best wishes
Lirdolin
It is if you believe a human being cannot be someone else's property.
-Which the Untherites/Mulhorandi don't.
That would suggest that they indeed aren't incarnations of evil, but that they do have the capacity to become so with effort.
-Which would mean that some are.
Not quite. Dragons of Faerun pg. 8 states, that the untheric god 'Marduk, the Justice Bringer' is an alias of Bahamut.
-Well, being that he/she apparently isn't his/her own entity anymore, being an alias of Bahamut...Or, if he/she was never his/her own entity, then we can insert Bahamut into the pantheon.
-Which would mean that some are.
Thought that was implied rather implicitly... or are you honing your impressive skills for stating the obvious again? ;)
Very silly of you to go standing out there then. :P
-Either that, or second base, which I'm decent at, but don't particularly enjoy. I'm too fast to be cooped up in the infield.
Or just say the new edition stuff is all bullox and keep Unther the way you want?
-Yes. Anyone can do anything in their own games. This is all fine and good. We're talking about things with canon in mind, however.
Although we will be using the Spellpague (the GHotR IS 3e, and therefore canon, even if you don't plan on moving forward) at The Vault, we needn't include any of the Abeir silliness.
but I still like tossing around ideas here for people who may want them. discussing the lore is why I first enjoyed coming here, so I like getting back to that, and ignoring all the 'edition wars' stuff for a change.
You know - everytime someone start talking about the floating Earthmotes (with cities on them!), I keep thinking the new FR is looking more and more like a lavalamp.
You know - everytime someone start talking about the floating Earthmotes (with cities on them!), I keep thinking the new FR is looking more and more like a lavalamp.
-Well, whoever it was said that they were trying to go for that psychedelic feeling, from the album cover. Who was it? Yes?
And Roger Dean is the Artist - makes me re-live my 60's nightmares.
-It took me like 5 minutes to realize that that wasn't a squiggle, and that it said 'Yes'.
-Which the Untherites/Mulhorandi don't.
I was just giving you an answer to your question.;)
I was just giving you an answer to your question.;)
-Yes, I know. I'm just saying, in relation to what Meldred was saying...Yeah. :P
-Well, being that he/she apparently isn't his/her own entity anymore, being an alias of Bahamut...Or, if he/she was never his/her own entity, then we can insert Bahamut into the pantheon.
He. Marduk in earth mythology was a storm/sky god and the patron-deity of Babylon. He is probably most famous for ripping the dragonshaped sea/chaos-goddess Tiamat in two halfs creating heaven and earth.
Best wishes
Lirdolin
-That Demons/Devils/Yugoloth can be redeemed...That demonstrates that they don't have to be evil, and still survive, should they choose to. And, remember. In the proverbial beginning, these entities chose to create their 'society' among the lines that it operates currently. I disagree that these entities are not evil incarnate, especially the planes they inhabit, and the leaders among their kind.
The 'loths predate gods and mortals alike. They're a facet of evil cut from the whole of the original by the originals themselves (the baern). Calling them anything but Evil makes it a shallow concept.
However, you can be Evil and redeemed as much as Good can be corrupted. Take moral poetry away and view one or the other as an infection, slowly transforming a redeemed fiend or a fallen celestial into something new. But in each case they have (perhaps) some measure of free will to explore and understand the forces changing them, even if they might be incapable of understanding just what they feel as they slide.
..
The fiend paused and looked down at the bones and the ashes beneath his feet. His feet shuffled and he stumbled as he stopped his forward motion and simply stared. His vision blurred. Six centuries earlier those bones had belonged to a young mortal sold into slavery by the baatezu. He'd never known the boy's name before he'd gutted him and watched him bleed out as an example to the other slaves purchased that day like fleshy bags around ripening souls set for harvest.
"What are you doing A'kin?" His tiefling companion asked as she turned around to look at him.
He looked up at her, face contorted with confusion, rage, and tears streaming down his cheeks, cascading into the ashes to burn and sizzle away.
"I don't know!" He wailed. "I don't understand this."
The fiend collapsed to his knees weeping, and for the first time in his ageless existance, he felt the cutting, alien pangs of regret.
-I've been in the sun all day playing baseball, alright? The outfield is hot and sunny...
Well that's a first, I thought dead Nethernese archmages melted into piles of magical goo when emerging from their parents' basements .:D
About a way to save Unther (and the pre-Spellplague Realms in general), just send characters back in time to play a campaign to prevent the whole thing, and then that alternate Faerun can be separated from the original time-space continum yet the Spellplagued Faerun is still avaliable for time travelers. If it works the way it does in Marvel Comic or Dragonlance that is, with alternate versions of the same world (like a Faerun-345, and a Faerun-098, and possibly more)
Well that's a first, I thought dead Nethernese archmages melted into piles of magical goo when emerging from their parents' basements .:D
-No, Lord Karsus does not live in his mother's basement.
