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| #1humbleapostleDec 24, 2008 23:21:36 | I might have just missed it, but does anyone have stats for a Shade, such as the ones from Netheril? I'm thinking of designing a recurring villain who is a Shade swordmage, or have some shade heroes/villains etc. If anyone has stats for these guys, would be much appreciated. |
| #2urpok_dupDec 24, 2008 23:28:53 | use shadar=kai and then just rename them=) |
| #3mr_teapotDec 24, 2008 23:42:23 | Shade is a template. It's in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide somewhere (don't have said book handy, though). |
| #4humbleapostleDec 25, 2008 0:46:41 | Ah okie dokie, I'll have to peek at the FRPHB again and see. Would it be possible to make a player character a shade though? |
| #5lord_rockDec 25, 2008 2:39:22 | PHB or campaign setting? |
| #6sallaDec 25, 2008 3:38:16 | Ah okie dokie, I'll have to peek at the FRPHB again and see. Would it be possible to make a player character a shade though? The Campaign Setting, not the Player's Guide. There are no statistics for Shades in the FRPG. And to make a PC shade, you'd need to build the race from the ground up; you can't just slap a template on something anymore. |
| #7humbleapostleDec 25, 2008 7:13:45 | Hmm, pity that. I figured with the new Netheril Shade guys trying to take over the world, and other shades trying to do who knows what, we would see more of them. Oh well, I guess I'm the only one with a super fascination with them :P |
| #8humbleapostleDec 25, 2008 7:14:18 | I suppose I could try my hand at statting them, though I would probably fail :D Edit: Hmm, would making it a sort of....template multiclass like the spellscar work? I mean, shades are powerful just racially with shadow teleporting, fast regen, good darksight and all that. |
| #9The_Simbul_of_AglarondDec 25, 2008 17:51:41 | The problem with making the Shade (or another template that modifies a creature) into a paragon path is that it prevents such a character from taking a different paragon path, one more suited to their overall character concept or background. If you wanted to make the perfect example of a Shadovar swordmage and took "Shade" as a paragon path then you could not become an Umbiri. If you were a Shadovar Warlock who took the Dark pact you could not then be both a "Shade" and a Darkwalker. Effectively Shade is a race...just not one that you start out your life as. Much in the way that normal races have racial feats that expand their powers, perhaps we could have a set of special "racial" feats for characters who underwent some roleplaying ritual to become a shade. We could break down the template's powers and distribute them through various feats, explaining the slower gain of abilities as if the character is gradually learning to master their newfound powers with practice and experience. The idea of having a template for NPCs and feats for PCs makes sense since PCs have feats whereas NPCs effectively do not have any, therefore an NPC with the Shade template is simply assumed to have taken those feats. |
| #10humbleapostleDec 25, 2008 22:00:00 | thats a rather good idea! Hmm, I'll have to look over what shades get in terms of powers/benefits and their weaknesses to see if I can put some rough stuff up. |
| #11_Mithreinmaethor_Dec 26, 2008 20:42:08 | Or you could just buy the book and use the template that is provided. |
| #12tallric_kruushDec 26, 2008 20:48:32 | Much in the way that normal races have racial feats that expand their powers, perhaps we could have a set of special "racial" feats for characters who underwent some roleplaying ritual to become a shade. We could break down the template's powers and distribute them through various feats, explaining the slower gain of abilities as if the character is gradually learning to master their newfound powers with practice and experience. This is likely the best approach. HumbleApostle, it's probably worth mentioning that the "new/4E" Shades are a little different than the 3E Shades with which many are familiar. Their powers have been reigned in somewhat, and their weaknesses virtually removed. You may have already known this, but I figured I'd mention it. |
| #13humbleapostleDec 26, 2008 23:15:48 | I supposed that, but I don't have a copy of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide so I haven't been able to see any stats for them. Lets see, they still have the ability to teleport through shadows (I assume this is short range now) ability to perhaps spend healing surges/regen in darkness? And darkvision. Thats about all I can think of at the moment. |
| #14tallric_kruushDec 27, 2008 11:26:07 | I supposed that, but I don't have a copy of the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide so I haven't been able to see any stats for them. Yeah, their powers are still pretty similar to the 3E version. I wish I could say more, but I don't want to violate CoC/Copyright. The Simbul's recommendation of homebrewing it stands as the best solution, short of getting your hands on a FRCG. Even then, the FRCG "template" is for NPCs, and homebrewing remains a must. It could be helpful, though, to actually see said template, as it was created with the 4E approach to powers/abilities/etc... |
| #15humbleapostleDec 27, 2008 21:35:39 | Alrighty, I'll have to get my hands on the FRCG. I'll get back to you folks once I have something cooked up, aye ![]() |
| #1618DELTADec 27, 2008 22:06:19 | -Check this thread out. NPC's and PC's are totally different animals in 4E. ;) 18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric) |