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#1 Dark_Wizard_02 Aug 28, 2008 22:17:11	With all this talk of shadowy Shades and shady Shadar-Kai. I'm curious, what races are native to the Plane of Shadow. The Shades immigrated from Netheril, the Shadar-Kai are fey touched by shadow stuff. I'm slowly shifting through the Monster Manuals, but it's slow going. The Manual of the Planes' biggest help is shadowy animals and shadow variety material plane monsters.
#2 thecasualoblivion Aug 28, 2008 22:23:57	undead...
#3 merrikcale Aug 28, 2008 22:26:38	presumably when the new Manual of the Planes comes out in a few months there will be more on the Shadowfell
#4 merrikcale Aug 28, 2008 22:27:09	Red Sox fans
#5 Dark_Wizard_02 Aug 28, 2008 22:36:27	Red Sox fans I thought they were from the Abyss. (I keed, I keed. Don't smite me with bats.)
#6 lord_karsus Aug 28, 2008 22:40:08	Shadow Dragons Malaugrym Shadow Masstifs Nightshade Dusk Beasts Shades (Humanoid) Shadows (Undead) Shadar-Kai
#7 thecasualoblivion Aug 28, 2008 22:54:32	As per Worlds and Monsters, a large amount of the sentient population of the Shadowfell was described as Undead of all types. The Shadowfell doesn't need as much fauna as other places if a large amount of what you run into there is undead.
#8 Dark_Wizard_02 Aug 28, 2008 23:00:25	Those are more or less what I've come across. I'll have to come up with something.
#9 lord_karsus Aug 28, 2008 23:12:10	Those are more or less what I've come across. I'll have to come up with something. -Basically, you can apply the Shadow Creature Template to anything you want, and have a bunch of those things native to the Plane. Handy thing, that.
#10 krownhunter07 Aug 28, 2008 23:32:52	Shadow creatures rock... nothing says 'having a bad day' like being stocked by a shadow panther while taking a darkside road trip. :evillaugh
#11 zanan Aug 29, 2008 7:11:11	The Dark Creature template given in the Tome of Magic should work fine and is specifically made for creatures living on the Plane of Shadows. Undead ... weren't they predominant on the Negative Energy Plane - if there still is such a thing in 3E/4E? Furthermore, the shadow dragons and various templates relating to them would also fit the bill. The web-enhancement on Chaulssin, written for Dragons of Faerûn features two templates for those.
#12 banpai Aug 29, 2008 7:54:27	The Dark Creature template given in the Tome of Magic should work fine and is specifically made for creatures living on the Plane of Shadows. Undead ... weren't they predominant on the Negative Energy Plane - if there still is such a thing in 3E/4E? Furthermore, the shadow dragons and various templates relating to them would also fit the bill. The web-enhancement on Chaulssin, written for Dragons of Faerûn features two templates for those. :D The plane of Shadows killed the negative energy plane and took it´stuff. Undead aren´t powered by negative energy anymore, IIRC they said that a living body has souls, animus and something else. Well once the soul is gone you manipulate whats left and create an undead.
#13 keveras Aug 29, 2008 10:17:10	...various templates... As for templates, I could give you the Shadow-walker template from Unapproachable East, though it's more related to Mask than directly to the Plane of Shadow.
#14 lord_karsus Aug 29, 2008 10:31:48	Undead ... weren't they predominant on the Negative Energy Plane - if there still is such a thing in 3E/4E? -Undead creatures live in the Plane of Shadows, yes, but they are indeed more prominent in the Negative Energy Plane, where they received the source of their energy. They are it's only inhabitants, asides for the Xeg-Yi. -The Negative Energy Plane was folded into the Plane of Shadows by Shar to create the Shadowfell.
#15 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Aug 29, 2008 13:33:47	With all this talk of shadowy Shades and shady Shadar-Kai. I'm curious, what races are native to the Plane of Shadow. The Shades immigrated from Netheril, the Shadar-Kai are fey touched by shadow stuff. Well, 4E Shadar-Kai descended from humans, not fey.
#16 Dark_Wizard_02 Aug 31, 2008 0:25:18	Well, 4E Shadar-Kai descended from humans, not fey. They suddenly got a bit less interesting in 4E. If I wanted human/shadow hybrids, I would go with the Shades. -Basically, you can apply the Shadow Creature Template to anything you want, and have a bunch of those things native to the Plane. Handy thing, that. I believe there is an Umbral Creature template as well, though 3.5e might have updated/merged it with the Shadow template.
#17 umbralknight Aug 31, 2008 2:49:56	ToM has some very nifty shadow creatures. Shadow elementals, genies, etc.
#18 Belorin Aug 31, 2008 3:32:42	Don't forget Death Giants and Death Titans. Bel
#19 lord_karsus Aug 31, 2008 15:40:12	-And Shadow Giants.
#20 naex Aug 31, 2008 16:37:17	Maulagrym weren't native to Shadow, they descended and developed from a human who migrated there. IIRC.
#21 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Aug 31, 2008 17:21:12	They suddenly got a bit less interesting in 4E. If I wanted human/shadow hybrids, I would go with the Shades. Fair enough, although in other settings (like the generic "core setting"), there might not be any Shades.
#22 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Aug 31, 2008 17:21:49	Maulagrym weren't native to Shadow, they descended and developed from a human who migrated there. IIRC. That's correct--they are descendants of Malaug.
#23 lord_karsus Sep 01, 2008 20:35:33	-They inhabit the Plane of Shadows, don't they?
#24 naex Sep 01, 2008 20:40:03	-They inhabit the Plane of Shadows, don't they? Yes, but they were descended from a native of a material world, and due to mating restrictions (IIRC) they have to bring mates from the material world as well. They are native to the Shadow plane in the same way I am native to America, my family (at least parts) has been here since before there was a USA, but I am still not a Native American.
#25 lord_karsus Sep 01, 2008 20:55:25	They are native to the Shadow plane in the same way I am native to America, my family (at least parts) has been here since before there was a USA, but I am still not a Native American. -But you are a native American.
#26 naex Sep 01, 2008 20:56:10	-But you are a native American. But they give me crap when I check that box on forms, so...
#27 lord_karsus Sep 01, 2008 20:58:13	But they give me crap when I check that box on forms, so... -Being as that the Mitochondrial Eve theory places Mitochondrial Eve on Africa, I have no problems marking that I am of African descent on forms and such. No one says to specify how far to trace my linage, so...
#28 naex Sep 01, 2008 21:04:35	-Being as that the Mitochondrial Eve theory places Mitochondrial Eve on Africa, I have no problems marking that I am of African descent on forms and such. No one says to specify how far to trace my linage, so... Semantics again?
#29 merrikcale Sep 01, 2008 21:15:18	and here I thought men were from Mars and women from Venus
#30 naex Sep 01, 2008 21:18:05	and here I thought men were from Mars and women from Venus I thought it was Omicron Persei 7 and Omicron Persei 9.
#31 Dark_Wizard_02 Sep 01, 2008 21:32:06	Fair enough, although in other settings (like the generic "core setting"), there might not be any Shades. I know, but I just want it all. :evillaugh
#32 lord_karsus Sep 01, 2008 23:41:52	Semantics again? -Right.