Personally, I hated this stuff being introduced into FR--which I always saw as a "swords and sorcery" kind of place.
Just curious what people think will happen with it and if they would be welcoming to having more of it around....
The same thought occured to me. A couple of possibilities: 1)the spellplague has rendered smokepowder inert, 2) Lantan has sunk or disappeared in the chaos of the spellplague, smokepowder and guns must be rediscovered, 3) with a hundred years in time and technological innovation, Lantan has become a great seafaring nation with colonies in Chult, around the Shining Sea, and in southeast Faerun.
With gnomes generally disappearing, I can't see option three so much. Yet, nothing can be said yet of Lantan, so who knows?
It occurred to me just a moment ago that, with 4e coming in and WotC trying to take things to a new level, that smokepowder may suddenly get a more prominent presence after a hundred years of civilization advancement.
Rich has said that smokepowder will not be prominent in the 4E Realms.
Rich has said that smokepowder will not be prominent in the 4E Realms.
Praise Bejebuz!!
Man, I wish I could read the Ask the Authors thread. But, 200 pages, in which 99% belongs to posters and not the authors, just makes it difficult.
Thanks for the info. ;)
Praise Bejebuz!!
Man, I wish I could read the Ask the Authors thread. But, 200 pages, in which 99% belongs to posters and not the authors, just makes it difficult.
Thanks for the info. ;)
You're welcome.
My AD&D Paladin always had a Starwheel pistol handy. Though I gotta admit, I cheated with it once. It does extra damage when you do max damage, and the Starwheel does 1d4, so it's easy enough to roll the die so it keeps coming up four. Did insane damage with it one time by rolling it in such a way that a 4 kept coming up. Never did that again, though, as I was getting dirty looks from the DM which made me feel guilty. :embarrassRich has said that smokepowder will not be prominent in the 4E Realms.
The first good thing he has said about 4E. I hated its introduction
But I LIKED the smokepowder guns!
That was my second issue with it--too easy to destroy the enemy.
But, of course, there are people like you around, so....
EDIT: GreenKnight: knuckle bump
REDEIT: MerrickClae: knuckle bump
F*cking cheap ass wi-fi!!!
Rich has said that smokepowder will not be prominent in the 4E Realms.
-But lasers will!
I'm hoping for a decent Blaster myself, or at least a type II Phaser.
Personally, I think Forgotten Realms: The Steam Age would have been way better then the Drek we're getting.
It would be appropriate - the setting is already looking like a trainwreck. :P
But I LIKED the smokepowder guns!
Guilt is overrated....
Up until that point, it's referred to as 'Creative Gaming'. :D
Pathfinder did away with the D4 BTW, just for the reasons you describe. With all the so-called 'garbage' WotC got rid of with 4e, they thought the D4 legacy was important enough to keep?
In all my years of gaming, I don't think I've ever actually seen one roll - they slide, and occasionally bounce, but never roll.
Mounted on Frickin' sharks! :D
I'm hoping for a decent Blaster myself, or at least a type II Phaser.
Personally, I think Forgotten Realms: The Steam Age would have been way better then the Drek we're getting.
It would be appropriate - the setting is already looking like a trainwreck. :P
-I remember, when I first registered on these boards, I started a discussion about what the Forgotten Realms would be like in a century or so if an Industrial Revolution began. Man, I remember, so many people (many of whom no longer contribute here) were pretty peeved about the whole idea.
-If only we had all know...
-I remember, when I first registered on these boards, I started a discussion about what the Forgotten Realms would be like in a century or so if an Industrial Revolution began. Man, I remember, so many people (many of whom no longer contribute here) were pretty peeved about the whole idea.
-If only we had all know...
true. We get peeved easily huh
cost of smoke powder
cost of weapon
cost of ammo
cost of possible enchantments
and people whining about puting them in crpgs saying that if they are implemented the game will appeal to everybody and other things.
Latan blows chunks
Gond be blown up and his rock gnome followers to the hells or something
Personally, the way the gun rules are written, they aren't all that great to have, so if a player wants to obtain one just as a 'flavor thing' I'd let him find one (since they do exist in FR canon). So far, though, my players like them way less then I do, so they haven't made an appearance.
I'm still hoping we get a Drow Subway-system in 4e. :P
true. We get peeved easily huh
-Depends on who it is, who is doing the talking, and what the subject is.
-But lasers will!
Correction, spell amplified magic missiles (doing 10* the damage).. as per that ship from Great Space :D
As in fact, heard a timetraveller who proceeded to infiltrate house Durothil since when Uvaeren stood young.. has had plenty of offspring.. some of which as per the great great.. great grandfathers instructions installed such cannons on the manowars and armadas in the Elven Imperial Navy of Realmspace.
Neither are any of those ships powered by helms anymore.. when a mythal works so much better. Providing the minor details of life like water, food, scrying, gates ..ship pruning.. more flitters.. and various defensive and offensive functions. Just as a little bonus. Helps when orcs and their kin just cannot physically enter the ship, and if anyone but a elf tries to teleport in, struck by 20d10 and teleported somewhere very far away. :P (damn that would invalidate a ton of adventures if implemented.. lol )
The radiance of radiant ships has been fully included into elven ships, with the ability to even spell out words on the wings.
Im even told a major function of those mythals is the ability to airy water in such a fashion you can stay perfectly dry immersed in water.. breating and swim at the same time. So quite a lot of those ships are waiting at the bottom of the oceans, with full crews all in millennia long reverie..
Oh yeah, a variety of the arcane armor is standard equpment, along with gemswords for officers. Everyone has helmets with magical visors too..
...ohwell.. atleast its a fancy dream of sorts ;)
It would take closer to 3 years of gaming to see that thru.. lol
I had an NPC swashbucker that owned a pistol. and I'm planning to play a Factotum usind one as well. Ut seems to match somehow....
Doomguard, i gather?
Doomguard, i gather?
I don't even know what a doomguard is....
I don't even know what a doomguard is....
-It's a Faction in Sigil.
-Here's a 3e PrC for the Doomguard: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20040706a&page=3
-It's a Faction in Sigil.
-Here's a 3e PrC for the Doomguard: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20040706a&page=3
OH yeah.... I had that book. Until my DM JACKED away! ....bastard
OH yeah.... I had that book. Until my DM JACKED away! ....bastard
So a factoum isnt a higher hierarch of a faction anymore?
Nope, its now a class that showed up in Dungeonscape, although the wonky layout in that one and Cityscape make them a tiny bit difficult to navigate at times. Good books otherwise though.
-Really? I've heard both were considered by others to be "sub-par".
That implies that even though Lantan has suffered, it's probably still a place of invention and innovation.
-Really? I've heard both were considered by others to be "sub-par".
Sub-par? Hadn't heard that one myself. Not that I actually looked for opinions on them...
On the whole, I don't think there's much revolutionary or particularly evocative in either of them, but there's a lot of stuff in there that's fairly useful for city and dungeon-building, if only as a source of ideas. Definitely DM oriented books though, not so great for a player I wouldn't think. Convenient sources sums them up best as far as I'm concerned.
Why is that?
-Lantanese Gnome robots. What's not to shudder about.
Sub-par? Hadn't heard that one myself. Not that I actually looked for opinions on them...
-Just something I picked up while reviewing potential purchases at Amazon a few weeks ago.
On the whole, I don't think there's much revolutionary or particularly evocative in either of them, but there's a lot of stuff in there that's fairly useful for city and dungeon-building, if only as a source of ideas. Definitely DM oriented books though, not so great for a player I wouldn't think. Convenient sources sums them up best as far as I'm concerned.
-A lot of layouts and pregenerated maps, and things to that effect, I take it?
There are a few layouts and maps, don't ever use those myself though. More like convenient 'tools' for quick determinations of what's in a given city. Fast, easy, templates for city districts and dungeon ecology to be applied and modified as I need them to be is the more useful content for me.
There are a few layouts and maps, don't ever use those myself though. More like convenient 'tools' for quick determinations of what's in a given city. Fast, easy, templates for city districts and dungeon ecology to be applied and modified as I need them to be is the more useful content for me.
-That's what I meant by layouts. The layouts say, "Yeah, in an X city, there are A, B, and C." And, then, of course, maps are maps.
It just me, or is the forum taking forever to post anything? Getting a lot of really annoying delays...
Ah, gotcha. Not really arranged by city so much as by district though. Kinda like arranging cards on a table and mixing and matching them as required more than some pregenerated form. Suggestions are there of course, but the system is fairly flexible.
-Ah, alright. Would you recommend the city one? The dungeon one, I'm not interested in.
It just me, or is the forum taking forever to post anything? Getting a lot of really annoying delays...
-Yes, see THIS announcement.
As to the Dungeon one, it does have a PrC ala Dungeon Keeper that would be ideal for someone like Halaster which is kinda fun... though the internal arrangement of both is a bit... haphazard. Not the best organized books WotC ever put out to say the least, and both probably could be called sub-par in terms of that, even if the quality of the work is decent.
I've been sort of doing that myself, but I took a look at most of the ones I don't have this weekend, and still don't really care much for them. Weapons of Legacy looked sort of promising, but something about it just isn't really appealing. Heroes of Horror has some things I like, but I'm not sure I can justify shelling out money for just a couple of things I could do myself. Incarnum... something about that whole souls as magical fuel thing (presuming I understood that correctly) brings to mind some very disturbing concepts for me that I have no real desire to introduce into my view of D&D.
-Weapons of Legacy, I heard, isn't that great. Heroes of Horror, I've never even heard of. Magic of Incarnum, I recently got, but haven't gone over the rules, really, yet. I like very much the concept of "soul" magic and all of that, though. Even if I never fully get the rules (and, skimming it, they seemed a little complicated), I'm using the certain concepts provided.
Yeah, the Archivist was what interested me most in heroes of horror... not really sure about much else. Every time I go to look through it, something happens and I never seem to get the chance.
I ried to use that whole Taint thing but...
Taint... sounds like Jhor from M:tA. Pass if it is... don't like those sorts of rules myself. Too much book-keeping and a bit restrictive for RPing I've usually found.
is like Oriental Adventures's taint. if you are in a "tainted" place for too long your mind and body beging to decay and stuff happens to you (like your eyes drool out of your sockets and get replaced by glowing orbs) also some creatures hit you with taint as well.
I like the book, before i even know what ravenloft was I did a sorta "castlevania" campain and the book was SUPER useful...
I have a tainted player in my campaign, and I am tempted to go test some of those taint feats on him. At least when he gives in and uses the feat he'll be fully tainted and the first physical effects will start to kick in i.e. the afore mentioned putrid eyes...
Let me know how it works for you, I tried once but it was just before I joined the military and I had to abandon that campain
It occurred to me just a moment ago that, with 4e coming in and WotC trying to take things to a new level, that smokepowder may suddenly get a more prominent presence after a hundred years of civilization advancement.
Personally, I hated this stuff being introduced into FR--which I always saw as a "swords and sorcery" kind of place.
Just curious what people think will happen with it and if they would be welcoming to having more of it around....
Bah!
As long as PC's can have hundred + HP guns are pointless. IMHO
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