a) Finish their campaign in the old first
or
b) Stay in the old Realms
Regardless of that, I'll definitely finish my current campaign first, which could take a while (1year + at a minimum) given my groups track record, which is set in the early 1300's DR, although we'll probably convert over to 4e if the rules turn out to be as streamlined as they seem to be.
but i dont plan on using the new gods and all that
4E ''core'' lore that will have to find its place in FR is pure trash, so
4E mechanics, I'll steal couple of ideas that I like, and continue developing much better homebrew system
I for one am planning on making the move... I also am one of those that gave up on the realms when the canon material got so deep that no one with a real life could keep up... And I am just sick and tired of Drizzt Do'Urden! Just my opinion.
Well apparently the majority of folks so far here don't like 4E so why go to the new FR. I do wonder if the vocal folks on these boards represent the D&D community as a whole. I some how really don't think so. But I could be wrong!
I for one am planning on making the move... I also am one of those that gave up on the realms when the canon material got so deep that no one with a real life could keep up... And I am just sick and tired of Drizzt Do'Urden! Just my opinion.
Hate to tell ya this, then, but Drizzt is still alive and well (well, as well as he could be) in the new realms. He was in his 70s (very young for a dark elf) in 3.x Edition realms and the prologue and epilogue of the newest book ("The Orc King"? I don't read the Drizzt books anymore, so I'm not sure of the names) indicates that he survived the Spellplague.
Yes, I will (probably - I am aiming to read first, of course) - it *is* the Realms, from all accounts as a player and a fan, and it have interesting bits.
Or maybe I'm just insane and can't distinguish the good from the bad.
I have a question, is there even a way to use 3.x FR with 4e, or would you have to purchase the 4e book for the new stats and then use the old book's fluff?
From what I saw of the prereleased stuff, I would think you could easily incorporate a lot of the new rules into the old in some way. Then again, I am only mildly familiar with both 3e and 4e, so I am no authority.
Well apparently the majority of folks so far here don't like 4E so why go to the new FR. I do wonder if the vocal folks on these boards represent the D&D community as a whole. I some how really don't think so. But I could be wrong!
-No one knows what the dark figure of fans is.
I also am one of those that gave up on the realms when the canon material got so deep that no one with a real life could keep up...
-Either there are a whole lot of people without "real lives" out there, or your definition needs a little tweaking.
I have a question, is there even a way to use 3.x FR with 4e, or would you have to purchase the 4e book for the new stats and then use the old book's fluff?
-What do you mean? Using the 4e rules, but sticking to 3e lore? Sure, you can do that. 4e, ultimatley, is just a ruleset. You can use 1e rules, and 3e lore, 3e rules, and 2e lore, 2e lore and GURPS (whatever that is, I only know it in passing) rules, and so on and so forth
-What do you mean? Using the 4e rules, but sticking to 3e lore? Sure, you can do that. 4e, ultimatley, is just a ruleset. You can use 1e rules, and 3e lore, 3e rules, and 2e lore, 2e lore and GURPS (whatever that is, I only know it in passing) rules, and so on and so forth
Yes, but won't certain creatures and gods have to have their stats transferred over (someone said it is impossible, I am not sure)? This is all just a "Just wondering" question.
Yes, but won't certain creatures and gods have to have their stats transferred over (someone said it is impossible, I am not sure)? This is all just a "Just wondering" question.
You have to rethink your thinking. You don't adapt 3e rules to 4e, you adapt 4e for 3e. Trying to bring all the prior to the latter would be a nightmare. Picking and choosing bits of the latter to bring to the former will be much easier.
If you won't move and deride it, why post in such threads?
-Because the OP asked?
Yes, but won't certain creatures and gods have to have their stats transferred over (someone said it is impossible, I am not sure)? This is all just a "Just wondering" question.
-If you are "translating" stats from any ruleset to another, of course you are going to have to "rewrite" stats. Is it impossible? To "translate" things exactly? Maybe, going by all of the rules. Is it hard? Possibly. Can it be done? Sure. I can't tell you how many 2e Elven spells I've "translated" while working on Elves of Faerûn. Same thing with Elven items.
Wick I agree with your comments.
So I am going to be opened minded about the changes. And I have said it before I am going to trust Ed and Brian on this.
Now dont get me wrong I thought the Headless Zhent was utter and absolute CR@P!!!18D;) :P :D
Yes, I will probably game in the "new" Realms.
I find it fascinating that there are so many "4E-Realms-Haters" on the 4E boards
Yes, I will probably game in the "new" Realms.
I do not. This isn't about fear of change either, it is the fact that they are messing the formula up for so many. The new formula may work for me, and I may like most of it, but others do not like it, and I respect that they don't like it, and have nothing against it.
-Because the OP asked?
Yeah, but still... The op wanted to know who would use the 'next century and after', not hearing 'this new material suck, it's lame' (fanrage toned down) or something, which was my point. Thread derailement, tedious quite.
What would you say of someone entering a 'who use Greyhawk?' thread, with a 'Greyhawk is really bad, it sucks' (fanrage toned down) post?
I think that you can state 'no, I won't, I'm keeping the 'old' realms' in a constructive manner.
Yeah, but still... The op wanted to know who would use the 'next century and after', not hearing 'this new material suck, it's lame' (fanrage toned down) or something, which was my point. Thread derailement, tedious quite.
What would you say of someone entering a 'who use Greyhawk?' thread, with a 'Greyhawk is really bad, it sucks' (fanrage toned down) post?
I think that you can state 'no, I won't, I'm keeping the 'old' realms' in a constructive manner.
-And, in the 4e Criticisms and Concerns section, numerous posters counter points made in threads where the OP asks who dislikes 4e. "Thread derailement, tedious quite".
Yeah, but still... The op wanted to know who would use the 'next century and after', not hearing 'this new material suck, it's lame' (fanrage toned down) or something, which was my point. Thread derailement, tedious quite.
but it does suck and it is lame
I do not. This isn't about fear of change either, it is the fact that they are messing the formula up for so many. The new formula may work for me, and I may like most of it, but others do not like it, and I respect that they don't like it, and have nothing against it.
Yeah I have nothing against people that dislike the idea of the new Realms.
I like people that Stigger who general just comes off like a cool guy even if he dislikes 4E FR concept. Others though are a bit more annoying and sound like children when they post and others feel the need to repeat the same distaste over and over.
Ubber if we ignore the trolls they will go away. Trolls feed off of attentions since they are children in grownup bodies. It is tough I know. That is why I have a few of them on ignore. I know normally I cannot control myself and must respond to them so I hit ignore and I cannot see their mindless drivel and I am fine. ;)
I will be using the Realms, not this crap "they" are calling FR.
Yep, im out.
but it does suck and it is lame
Well this is opinion. Personally I think it's interesting and after reading Swordmage it really isn't *that* different from the current realms. To each their own though. The only people who will be forced into the new realms by me are my friends
Well this is opinion. Personally I think it's interesting and after reading Swordmage it really isn't *that* different from the current realms. To each their own though. The only people who will be forced into the new realms by me are my friends
Ive said before that I thought enough of the old Realms would be around to not make it seem like such a drastic change.
I, of course, have yet to read the book, but glad someone else says the feel is still there.
-The most glaring change isn't geographic in nature, or even "D&D rules" in nature. It's the 100 +/- time jump that does it.
QFT.
-The most glaring change isn't geographic in nature, or even "D&D rules" in nature. It's the 100 +/- time jump that does it.
Agreed, but I think the purely geographic changes are pretty terrible, too. Chessenta and the Vilhon Reach were some of my favorite areas, for example.
I'm certainly going to be playing in it. I might even DM a Realms game for the first time in a very long time, though it's likely I'll be busy with my homebrew game for a while, since there's some conversion needed. Still, as someone who thinks of D&D as a sandbox game, and wants worlds to be the same way, I like the promise of "three books, and you're on your own".
You didn't lose anything under the old system; you could have limited your purchases and ignored additional material. The new system dosn't give you anything you didn't have before, while it takes something away from those who enjoyed keeping up with the developments of a "living world". On that note, I wonder how many new novels they are expecting to sell, now?
Agreed, but I think the purely geographic changes are pretty terrible, too.
-I didn't say that some of those changes aren't bad. It's just that, things like that, I can deal with rather easily. It's much easier to ignore the progress in one particular region/city than it is to ignore the progress of the entire setting, which includes people/places/the metaplot, etc.
On that note, I wonder how many new novels they are expecting to sell, now?
-About the same as they used to, adjusted to the fact that there have been fewer, as of late?
-About the same as they used to, adjusted to the fact that there have been fewer, as of late?
I was wondering what percentage of readers consisted of fans of realmslore, who would read otherwise average-quality books (there are notable exceptions, but without the FR setting most of these books were not worth reading given the opportunity costs involved) simply to keep up with what was going on and for insight into the cultures of various locales. These type of fans would buy literally dozens of these books over the years. I was also wondering whether any other such fans would feel little incentive to invest in a new series of Realms novels when they dislike the new setting?
I was wondering what percentage of readers consisted of fans of realmslore, who would read otherwise average-quality books (there are notable exceptions, but without the FR setting most of these books were not worth reading given the opportunity costs involved) simply to keep up with what was going on and for insight into the cultures of various locales. These type of fans would buy literally dozens of these books over the years. I was also wondering whether any other such fans would feel little incentive to invest in a new series of Realms novels when they dislike the new setting?
-It is likely that these types of readers are in the general minority. That said, I am in that category, and I am not going to be purchasing post-4e Forgotten Realms novels.
I was wondering what percentage of readers consisted of fans of realmslore, who would read otherwise average-quality books (there are notable exceptions, but without the FR setting most of these books were not worth reading given the opportunity costs involved) simply to keep up with what was going on and for insight into the cultures of various locales. These type of fans would buy literally dozens of these books over the years. I was also wondering whether any other such fans would feel little incentive to invest in a new series of Realms novels when they dislike the new setting?
Well, I used to just pick up FR books that interested me, and I will mostly continue to do so post-4E. Hells, I'll continue to do so post-4.5/5E. So long as nothing happens to me and I bite the bullet that is.
I think this probably puts me in the minority in that since I don't know all that much about the current realms, the 100 year jump will help me reestablish a feeling for setting. That's probably the biggest reason why I like the time jump. The past is now the past and I can play catch up far more easily
The one thing I am worried about is the state of Mulhorand. I don't mind it being reduced in power or taken over by worshpers of Set or whatever else as long as it's not replaced by a huge chunk of Abeir like Unther was, lol. I like desert settings and Mulhorand was my favorite of those in the realms.
So who here is going to use the "new" Realms?
I will, but not exactly as Wotc presents it, since I like little of what has been dished out so far.
For starters, the spellplague will have a different origin...
It begins
The ritual had been interupted at the last moment by a band of adventurers. Distracted at a crucial moment, Shar had let control of the shadow weave slip for the briefest of moments.
Enough time for Mystra to grasp it away.
The Lady of Mysteries briefly felt Shar's anger as she slipped back to Dweommerheart.
The Lady of Loss, letting that emotional mask fall away, smiled. It had been a while since she last felt contentment. She sent a mental missive to the soon-to-be scapegoat, containing only one word:
Now.
-----------------------------
A soon as she arrived in her domain, Mystra knew something was wrong.
Ungodly pain wracked her, tearing at her mind and form.
And then she knew.
Shar had never meant to keep her creation. The potent poison, disguised as a dark weapon, had been custom made for the Mother of All Magic. Expertly crafted long ago and hidden for eons, revealed only recently, its true purpose was not to compete with what Mystra embodied, but to weaken the goddess.
But to what end?
Control of her divine realm slipped, and she felt a presence manifesting in front of her.
Looking up from her prone position, She saw Cyric raise Razor's Edge, elated vindication etched on his mad face, madness and hatred in his eyes.
Enough time for Mystra to grasp it away.
The Lady of Mysteries briefly felt Shar's anger as she slipped back to Dweommerheart.
The Lady of Loss, letting that emotional mask fall away, smiled. It had been a while since she last felt contentment. She sent a mental missive to the soon-to-be scapegoat, containing only one word:
Now.
-----------------------------
A soon as she arrived in her domain, Mystra knew something was wrong.
Ungodly pain wracked her, tearing at her mind and form.
And then she knew.
Shar had never meant to keep her creation. The potent poison, disguised as a dark weapon, had been custom made for the Mother of All Magic. Expertly crafted long ago and hidden for eons, revealed only recently, its true purpose was not to compete with what Mystra embodied, but to weaken the goddess.
But to what end?
Control of her divine realm slipped, and she felt a presence manifesting in front of her.
Looking up from her prone position, She saw Cyric raise Razor's Edge, elated vindication etched on his mad face, madness and hatred in his eyes.
Well this is opinion. Personally I think it's interesting and after reading Swordmage it really isn't *that* different from the current realms. To each their own though. The only people who will be forced into the new realms by me are my friends
actually its not. We ran some data and performed some lab tests as well as a whole battery experiments. We have determined by the objective data that 4E realms does, in fact, suck.
Funny though. :D
actually its not. We ran some data and performed some lab tests as well as a whole battery experiments. We have determined by the objective data that 4E realms does, in fact, suck.
Oh yea? Well I divided by zero. Beat that.
Oh yea? Well I divided by zero. Beat that.
I solved pi. Move along, amateur.
Spell Scarred Unite!! ;)
We have been thinking about doing this for some time. A new system is a perfect jumping on point for the idea.
I solved pi. Move along, amateur.
yum. pie.
Only over every other hill. How's that? ;)
Lame?
j/k
We have been thinking about doing this for some time. A new system is a perfect jumping on point for the idea.
I agree. Everything is off the table at this point. Perfect time to do it all your way. Burger King has opened it's
doors, people!! yum. pie.
Chill, Homer. This equation equates not with your waist span. ;)
Chill, Homer. This equation equates not with your waist span. ;)
I know. My waist is significantly north of 3.14
I know. My waist is significantly north of 3.14
(sigh)
Must I explain this to everyone?
3.14 is simply rounded. It's actually: 3.1481658265636238650636236965363596569256936539659236956329563765936593265635175963916591659659315635619635612369561836596592365-694631956943569659695[EDIT BY THE UNITED STATES NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGIES FOR UNDER MINDING OUR STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGIES]
Bastards!!
Yes? You called? Oh, wait... Wrong Bastards... Nevermind. :P
Yes? You called? Oh, wait... Wrong Bastards... Nevermind. :P
Hmmmm....?
Is this a cold war tactic?
(sigh)
Must I explain this to everyone?
3.14 is simply rounded. It's actually: 3.1481658265636238650636236965363596569256936539659236956329563765936593265635175963916591659659315635619635612369561836596592365-694631956943569659695[EDIT BY THE UNITED STATES NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGIES FOR UNDER MINDING OUR STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGIES]
Either you posted a joke I didn't get, or else you posted the wrong rounded number for Pi. Which is it?
By the way, are we allowed to say "bastards" on this forum? I hope so...
Either you posted a joke I didn't get, or else you posted the wrong rounded number for Pi. Which is it?
That depends on what you think the rounded number for pi is.
Assuming that you think it is 3.14 like the rest of the world, then I guess its a joke you didn't get.
Sorry. Can't please everyone. ;)
By the way, are we allowed to say "bastards" on this forum? I hope so...
Well, normally, I'd get this if it was barred: ********
It's a legitimate word, so as long as it isn't being used as derogatory towards anyone, then there shouldn't be a problem. And I didn't use it in such a way.
Well, normally, I'd get this if it was barred: ********
It's a legitimate word, so as long as it isn't being used as derogatory towards anyone, then there shouldn't be a problem. And I didn't use it in such a way.
I do. :P But only if I am talking about myself. Truth is truth.
I do. :P
"I do," what?
Truth is truth.
Same as my half brother. He's still a little bastard. :D
"I do," what?
Use the word "Bastard" as a derogatory term for someone, normally myself.
Same as my half brother. He's still a little bastard. :D
I can still recall getting a insane high score on a video game, being called a bastard for it, and laughing like a mad man over it. :P
Use the word "Bastard" as a derogatory term for someone, normally myself.
Well, now that we know what you are, I think it is time for you to leave. We don't tolerate your kind here.
Stupid Ba...uh...guy.
Well, now that we know what you are, I think it is time for you to leave. We don't tolerate your kind here.
Stupid Ba...uh...guy.
Nah, I think I'll stay until you people throw me out. :P
But if it comes down to it, you go out ruff. You know, with a big burrito slap upside the head before you're chucked.
That depends on what you think the rounded number for pi is.
Assuming that you think it is 3.14 like the rest of the world, then I guess its a joke you didn't get.
It's a legitimate word, so as long as it isn't being used as derogatory towards anyone, then there shouldn't be a problem. And I didn't use it in such a way.
I was referring to the larger (rounded) number; an 8 does not come after the 4.
In case there was a misunderstanding, I wasn't criticizing or threatening you for using the word "bastard," I was sincerely hoping that the level of censorship on these boards is not as severe as I have been led to believe. I apologize if I left you with a different impression (it just occurred to me that what I posted could easily be interpreted the wrong way).
I was referring to the larger (rounded) number; an 8 does not come after the 4.
Well, as it truly hasn't been solved, yet, I took the liberty of just typing random keys on my number pad. I could have tracked down the actually digits, but now that they are in the millions, I figured it wasn't worth the time.
And since the majority of people that know of pi think it is just 3.14, I wasn't that concerned.
In case there was a misunderstanding, I wasn't criticizing or threatening you for using the word "bastard," I was sincerely hoping that the level of censorship on these boards is not as severe as I have been led to believe. I apologize if I left you with a different impression (it just occurred to me that what I posted could easily be interpreted the wrong way).
Not at all, my man. It's a valid question. I wouldn't have used it if I thought it was being offensive. No worries. ;)
-The most glaring change isn't geographic in nature, or even "D&D rules" in nature. It's the 100 +/- time jump that does it.
IMO its necessary so we don't have people saying things like "you're playing the game wrong" and citing splat book #176 as to why my portrayal of a city is wrong.
IMO its necessary so we don't have people saying things like "you're playing the game wrong" and citing splat book #176 as to why my portrayal of a city is wrong.
-Two points:
A) It's not necessary, and, by going on canon, someone who cites book #176 would be correct. That said, that is Faerûn 616, the official setting, and not Faerûn 226, your setting.
B) In most cases, old lore and such and such is still 100% valid. Unless specifically noted as being changed, (and, with 3 books only, don't count on it) specific subtleties- such as, say, the number of wives that men in Turmish take- are still going to to use pre-4e materials sources.