I guess Luskan (pre-spellplague) could be Reno.
And if you've read Road of the Patriarch then your guess is as good as everybody elses (barring Bob of course).
I have a suspicion we'll see Artemis behind the seens some where. A back alley God in Baldurs Gate. May not even be in Salvatores book, but with his permision and crituquies.
Is Waterdeep the LasVegas of the Realms then? I thought it had to be somewhere. :D
-Waterdeep is the New York of the Forgotten Realms.
I am completely in the dark on this one. I enjoyed these two characters immensely. And I guess I was hoping for some insight that others may have that I haven't found yet.
Like what insights?
That they're secretly lovers or something?:P
Either one (or both) of them could be associated with the warlock Knights of Vassa at this point.
Possibly, although as per Road of the Partriach:
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Not only have they moved on from the Cold Lands, they've both gone their seperate ways.
Jaraxle would still be very much alive unless they kill him off. Perhaps he will make an apperence in the transitions series book 2 or 3.
A 100 years laters in FR 4e, I would assume Artemis is dead unless someone converted him into a lich or used some other form of magic to increase in life span. He was in his mid 40's per the last book. So he would be at least 140 something in FR 4e.
Come to think of it, a great deal of characters will be dead, even those with long life spans (there are dragons about after all).
and in this time, maybe he will come to terms with what he has become, since he faced his past.
jarlaxle, cant say he seems to push his luck quite a bit
Come to think of it, a great deal of characters will be dead, even those with long life spans (there are dragons about after all).
-Yes, indeed.
-RW
Possibly, although as per Road of the Partriach:ShowNot only have they moved on from the Cold Lands, they've both gone their seperate ways.
I CAN see a half-Drow decendent of hers (with Jarlaxle as the father?!
) becoming one of the Warlock Knights of Vassa. 
I was thinking about writing up a Drow one....
I am thinking Artemis is temporarily out, however Jarlaxle may very well make a reappearence. After all, the pairing of him with Athrogate(Sp?) seems to have been done soley for the purpose of them making the roll-over, with Artemis's departure allowing for the mystery of the man to remain, without having to kill off the character for the edition change.
-RW
-The Jarlaxle-Athrogate pairing failed, in my opinion. Athrogate failed, in my opinion.
-The Jarlaxle-Athrogate pairing failed, in my opinion. Athrogate failed, in my opinion.
Athrogate annoyed me to no end with his ridiculous laughter and his unnatural luck.
Yeah, I'd say Entreri is still lurking around somewhere, maybe as a new chosen of Mask, or even a special agent of the Empire of Netheril.
-The Jarlaxle-Athrogate pairing failed, in my opinion. Athrogate failed, in my opinion.
Didn't say it was good, just speculating at the logic behind it. ;)
-RW
I'd give him points for being creative, but thats as far as it goes. There is a reason why Dwarves are overly-stereotypical, and rarely does a non-stereotype work for them (the one in Skullport being one of those few exceptions).
Yeah, I'd say Entreri is still lurking around somewhere, maybe as a new chosen of Mask, or even a special agent of the Empire of Netheril.
Now this I REALLY like...
I'm picturing a James-Bond type character with an attitude. :D
Maybe Remo Williams - Social assassin.
RAS sucks at writing Dwarves - he always tries to 'break the mold' with his characters, but with Dwarves they just wind up looking ridiculous.
-No he doesn't. Cordio Muffinhead is all I'll say. Hell, Cordio Muffinhead is the major reason why our Forgotten Realms Novels section was taken away from us all those years ago, and the blanket ban on talking about novels instituted.
Now this I REALLY like...
I'm picturing a James-Bond type character with an attitude. :D
Maybe Remo Williams - Social assassin.
Nah, I was thinking more along the lines of John Constantine crossed over with a serial killer but ok.
You know... without the weird tastes...
Constantine meets Hanibal Lecter? :D
You know... without the weird tastes...
Yep, you got it. A psycho who still retains a strong conscience that is being overwhelmed by his evil nature as a result of his shade transformation.
Like, say, a fallen Primordial or a Demon Prince.
Actually, forget Hannibal - I want the smarts without the gross - more like TVs Dexter (and NOT the cartoon character!). Also, he would be a 'bad guy' with a conscience (as per the ending of RotP) - he would do the Shades bidding, but on HIS terms, and he'd never hurt a child (kinda like having a Tony Montana thing going on there).
Whereas I can see Artemis taking the sane road and siding with the Shades (becoming their Agent-at-large), just for the sake of self-preservation during the Spellplague, I can also see Jarlaxle finally running out of luck and coming up against something far nastier then himself.
Like, say, a fallen Primordial or a Demon Prince.
Actually, forget Hannibal - I want the smarts without the gross - more like TVs Dexter (and NOT the cartoon character!). Also, he would be a 'bad guy' with a conscience (as per the ending of RotP) - he would do the Shades bidding, but on HIS terms, and he'd never hurt a child (kinda like haveing a Tony Montana thing going on there).
Yeah, kind of like Erevis Cale's agreement with Mask. He works for the god, but on his terms and by his morality.
As for Jarlaxle, if he knew what was good for him he would have taken that position in Breghan D'arthae that Kimmuael offered him.
Whereas I can see Artemis taking the sane road and siding with the Shades (becoming their Agent-at-large), just for the sake of self-preservation during the Spellplague, I can also see Jarlaxle finally running out of luck and coming up against something far nastier then himself.
-Entreri has never had contact with a Shade before, asides for the one that he killed. He isn't a Shade, necessarily, either. As for Jarlaxle...Well, he always has an ace up his sleeve.
-No he doesn't. Cordio Muffinhead is all I'll say. Hell, Cordio Muffinhead is the major reason why our Forgotten Realms Novels section was taken away from us all those years ago, and the blanket ban on talking about novels instituted.
LOL!
Believe it or not, I hated Arthrogate in the first book, but warmed up to him a bit in the second book.
LOL!
Believe it or not, I hated Arthrogate in the first book, but warmed up to him a bit in the second book.
-I hated him in the first book, and continue to hate him. Ugh...
-I hated him in the first book, and continue to hate him. Ugh...
Amen, though the fact that he stayed somewhat "loyal" to Jarlaxle and Entreti and proved a great fighter the whole time made him seem a little better in my eyes.
-RW
-I hated him in the first book, and continue to hate him. Ugh...
So I see.
Oo oi!!!
-Why did you warm up to him?
When I finally learned a little about his backstory, I was oddly touched by it.
When I finally learned a little about his backstory, I was oddly touched by it.
-Fair enough. That actually made me dislike him a bit more! The entire "I'm cursed", whatever it was, everyone I know is gone business. Obar annoys me for similar reasons.
I like Artemis too much to kill him off. Jaraxle could come up/find, some way to extend life to his old friend but going the route of a shade doesn't make much sense.
Some other template or artifact would make a little more sense in my opinion.
-Fair enough. That actually made me dislike him a bit more! The entire "I'm cursed", whatever it was, everyone I know is gone business. Obar annoys me for similar reasons.
But Obar is funny!Entreri is part shade now, he will live as long as or longer than drizzt.
In what book did it state Entreri became part shade? Last I read he retired to calimport.
In what book did it state Entreri became part shade? Last I read he retired to calimport.
-The short story "That Funny Sword" (or something to that effect) from Realms of Shadow.
Athrogate annoyed me to no end with his ridiculous laughter and his unnatural luck.
Yeah, I'd say Entreri is still lurking around somewhere, maybe as a new chosen of Mask, or even a special agent of the Empire of Netheril.
Chosen of Mask? Doubtful... Hoar, maybe... But not Mask.
To be honest however, I think Selûne has her eyes on him now. He did stomp out a rather greedy, corrupted branch of her church; so I think she may look kindly on him for doing so.
-The short story "That Funny Sword" (or something to that effect) from Realms of Shadow.
The short story was "That Curious Sword" if I recall.
-The Jarlaxle-Athrogate pairing failed, in my opinion. Athrogate failed, in my opinion.
Strongly, strongly seconded. Though to be honest, Road of the Patriarch as a whole failed, in my opinon. Especialy compared to the first book of that particular trilogy.
Actually, after that book Ive stopped caring about either Jarlaxle or Entreri, but I will give my two cents anyways.
Yeah, I'd say Entreri is still lurking around somewhere, maybe as a new chosen of Mask, or even a special agent of the Empire of Netheril.
Chosen of Mask? Doubtful... Hoar, maybe... But not Mask.
Really? I find it odd that this idea of him as a chosen even came up tbh. Artemis has shown a distinct lack of appreciation for any form of divinity. Also, his RotP rant about the idea of "divine right" and such reinforces my perception that being a Chosen would just make him chafe.
I can see Artemis taking the sane road and siding with the Shades (becoming their Agent-at-large), just for the sake of self-preservation during the Spellplague
Respectfully, I also can't see this. Artemis cannot play nice with other bad guys, and shows a tendency to screw over any organisation he is affiliated with as long as he has a paper-thin justification to do so. Look at RotP and his misadventure with the Citadel of Assassins.
I think if there is one thing we can say about Entreri from Servant of the Shard on, it is that he is and will always be his own man. I cannot see him ever serving a wizard, let alone an evil kingdom of wizards. Nor can I see him ever submitting to someone and living for their ends. Also, about his "evil nature," Jarlaxle had given him a "cursed" item that seemed to slowly change his alignment to good. Just my
QFT. Personally however, I don't think Artemis will be truly good any time soon. He has many more years of angsty brooding and acting out with stabby tantrums still left in him.
The short story was "That Curious Sword" if I recall.
-Yes, that was it! Like I said, it was something to that effect.
Strongly, strongly seconded. Though to be honest, Road of the Patriarch as a whole failed, in my opinon. Especialy compared to the first book of that particular trilogy.
-Servant of the Shard was retroactively put into that trilogy, so it'd be a trilogy, and not a duology. It was certainly better than the second and third books in that series.
Jus like that Wulfgar one where he becomes a drunk...
You know - I made a typo when I spelled out the name of that book... and then it made me suddenly realize who's name is in it!
I like Artemis siding with Selune - that would sort-of make him opposed to Everis Cale. They should fight it out in 4e, but I doubt the two authers would agree on who would win.
Then again, Drizzt would problem just show up and kill them both, without breaking a sweat.
You know... getting bored to death is a terrible way to die...
Yeah - Servant of the Shaard was supposed to be a 'Drizzt' book, but he was hardly in it.
-Hmm...A precedent that should be built upon.
I like Artemis siding with Selune - that would sort-of make him opposed to Everis Cale.
-That'd never happen. Not only does Entreri dislike various deities to begin with, but he has a special enmity towards Selûne, simply by virtue of that priest in Memnon.
Besides... I said I liked that idea (it was someone else's) - I never said I thought it would happen. ;)
I could see Jarlaxi and Artemis getting married and raising a family before I could see Entreri become 'devout' in any sort of way.
Thanks to a Umberhulk, he still will never be able to play the piano again.
Thanks to a Umberhulk, he still will never be able to play the piano again.
-That's just horrible. We all know how much he loved Bach.
Many have loved Jarlaxi, but he was incapable of loving Bach...
Ouch.. that was bad... even for me.
Entreri is part shade now, he will live as long as or longer than drizzt.
Longer? I thought Shades live forever age wise as long as they are not killed?
You know... I just thought of something. The Plane of Shadow and the the Negative Energy Plane have both been rolled into the Shadowfel - how is it that Negative energy prolongs life?
Narf Umberhulks
I heard that one really powerful fiendish Dire Umber Hulk with the Warbeast template managed to escape his Illithid masters and is now terrorizing Northern Cormyr.
Its a good thing that King Foril has put General 'Thunderbeast' Ross on the case...
But he's only a partial (half?) Shade.
So? Was that the authors excuse to keep him alive to compete with Drizzt later on and still have him look the same? That really gets old after a while. It's like the joker vs batman, it just keeps going. I mean the battles are entertaining, but it's repetitave.
-That'd never happen. Not only does Entreri dislike various deities to begin with, but he has a special enmity towards Selûne, simply by virtue of that priest in Memnon.
He doesn't hate Selûne so much as hate her church. Which would make him useful to Selûne in that he could wander, from temple to temple, and insure that the priests were doing their job. If not, well... We get Memnon all over again.
There's some evil part of me that thinks Selûne lead Entreri "unaware" back to the temple, and the truth. When a Assassin's blade is drawn, the Darkness of Night are not the only eyes watching after all... The Moon watches as well.
He doesn't hate Selûne so much as hate her church. Which would make him useful to Selûne in that he could wander, from temple to temple, and insure that the priests were doing their job. If not, well... We get Memnon all over again.
There's some evil part of me that thinks Selûne lead Entreri "unaware" back to the temple, and the truth. When a Assassin's blade is drawn, the Darkness of Night are not the only eyes watching after all... The Moon watches as well.
Since Artemis is not considered a Paladin like drizzt (and when I say paladin, all of you know what I mean, so don't give me ****), he can not ever intend to beat a "good guy". I mean look, he saved that human dwarf wanna be girl in starless night, saved drizzt. Saved the monk in servent of the shard. Every person he's come across that's "good" has gotten away or beaten him. He only kills orcs/bounty hunters/any other no name NPCs. I had thought all these "good guys" were his enemies, and yet he has not killed one of them. Hating Selûne would be in his worst intrest since she is a "goodly god". Congrats authors on being repetitave. I wish they would read Goerge R.R Martin before writting a novel. And also thank you for all the fanboys who would freak out if Drizzt ever died, you kept him alive longer than he needs to be.
He doesn't hate Selûne so much as hate her church. Which would make him useful to Selûne in that he could wander, from temple to temple, and insure that the priests were doing their job. If not, well... We get Memnon all over again.
Hmmmm...
Entreri as a self-appointed 'divine auditor' - I can see that. :D
Aretmis Entreri - correcting religion one dead priest at a time.
He doesn't hate Selûne so much as hate her church. Which would make him useful to Selûne in that he could wander, from temple to temple, and insure that the priests were doing their job. If not, well... We get Memnon all over again.
-Which, for all intents and purposes, are synonymous, Selûne and her church. The church members are the mortal representatives of the deities. Thus, as a mortal, he should be able to conclude that, in part, Selûne was condoning his actions, allowing him to keep his powers and keep his status in the church. Remember, from their point of view, deities are in theory omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, and so on.
-Which, for all intents and purposes, are synonymous, Selûne and her church. The church members are the mortal representatives of the deities. Thus, as a mortal, he should be able to conclude that, in part, Selûne was condoning his actions, allowing him to keep his powers and keep his status in the church. Remember, from their point of view, deities are in theory omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, and so on.
This is true... Hmm... No wonder I tend to like Hoar, at least when you serve him, you get what's coming to you. Though makes it a little hard to ask for a quick and painless end...
Since Artemis is not considered a Paladin like drizzt (and when I say paladin, all of you know what I mean, so don't give me ****), he can not ever intend to beat a "good guy". I mean look, he saved that human dwarf wanna be girl in starless night, saved drizzt. Saved the monk in servent of the shard. Every person he's come across that's "good" has gotten away or beaten him. He only kills orcs/bounty hunters/any other no name NPCs. I had thought all these "good guys" were his enemies, and yet he has not killed one of them. Hating Selûne would be in his worst intrest since she is a "goodly god". Congrats authors on being repetitave. I wish they would read Goerge R.R Martin before writting a novel. And also thank you for all the fanboys who would freak out if Drizzt ever died, you kept him alive longer than he needs to be.
Oh beating a "good guy" is easy, it's the killing him that's hard. And more often then not, it's better to leave a good guy wondering if he truly is any better then Entreri, like King Gareth Dragonsbane, who, might I aid, I felt made the right choice in sparing Entreri's life. There would have been no real reason for his death, and while "Smite first, ask questions later" might be the Paladin's norm, it is not a sure way to live a long life. Not for one who is a King.
So? Was that the authors excuse to keep him alive to compete with Drizzt later on and still have him look the same? That really gets old after a while. It's like the joker vs batman, it just keeps going. I mean the battles are entertaining, but it's repetitave.
I think it's safe to say both Entreri and Drizzt both are done with the battles... There's no point, nor gain for ether of them to continue something that nether of them truly care about anymore.
This is true... Hmm... No wonder I tend to like Hoar, at least when you serve him, you get what's coming to you. Though makes it a little hard to ask for a quick and painless end...
-Only if you have a quick and painless end coming.