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Tanarukk legitimacy

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#1
underpantsgnome
Dec 18, 2008 13:47:49 Looking at the Tanarukk entry in Races of Faerun (pg 123) gives the LA of the creature at +3, but the ECL of 8

I'm not the biggest rules-lawyer, but realize that based on the HD and LA that the ECL of 8 is "accurate".

But looking at the creatures abilities, I do not think that LA is accurate. Say we have a CR 8 Tanarukk (no class levels)...

It has a good attack bonus, 5 BAB + 5 or 6 STR bonus, and he's in the double digits. However that BAB qualifies him for only 1 attack around (not counting his secondary bite attack)... not that great for a CR 8 "melee powerhouse"

Spell Resistance is 14, given the party is 8th level, full casters are too worried about this

Saves are +4 across, Dex bonus helps, but there is no Con boost and Wis gets a penalty, this thing will have some weak saves and the spells at this level should get through fairly well.

So now my question, is the Tanarukk a solid CR 8 before class levels? Please give reasoning with your answer.
#2
theordus_donnerschlag
Dec 18, 2008 15:08:17 ECL and CR is not the same
ECL is used if a PC want`s to play a charakter
CR is used if someone is fighting against a tanarukk

The tanarukk has only a CR of 4 or 5 I think (Monster of Ferun)
#3
underpantsgnome
Dec 18, 2008 16:42:05 Turns out it is only CR 2... which makes it even stranger to me.

Adding two levels of Barbarian would make it CR 4, but ECL 10? Seems to be a bit of a gap there... am I missing something else?
#4
salla
Dec 19, 2008 11:24:15
Turns out it is only CR 2... which makes it even stranger to me.

Adding two levels of Barbarian would make it CR 4, but ECL 10? Seems to be a bit of a gap there... am I missing something else?

Not really. Racial HD and LA were always extremely wonky and, in general, didn't work. One of the reasons 4th got rid of it.

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#1 underpantsgnome Dec 18, 2008 13:47:49	Looking at the Tanarukk entry in Races of Faerun (pg 123) gives the LA of the creature at +3, but the ECL of 8 I'm not the biggest rules-lawyer, but realize that based on the HD and LA that the ECL of 8 is "accurate". But looking at the creatures abilities, I do not think that LA is accurate. Say we have a CR 8 Tanarukk (no class levels)... It has a good attack bonus, 5 BAB + 5 or 6 STR bonus, and he's in the double digits. However that BAB qualifies him for only 1 attack around (not counting his secondary bite attack)... not that great for a CR 8 "melee powerhouse" Spell Resistance is 14, given the party is 8th level, full casters are too worried about this Saves are +4 across, Dex bonus helps, but there is no Con boost and Wis gets a penalty, this thing will have some weak saves and the spells at this level should get through fairly well. So now my question, is the Tanarukk a solid CR 8 before class levels? Please give reasoning with your answer.
#2 theordus_donnerschlag Dec 18, 2008 15:08:17	ECL and CR is not the same ECL is used if a PC want`s to play a charakter CR is used if someone is fighting against a tanarukk The tanarukk has only a CR of 4 or 5 I think (Monster of Ferun)
#3 underpantsgnome Dec 18, 2008 16:42:05	Turns out it is only CR 2... which makes it even stranger to me. Adding two levels of Barbarian would make it CR 4, but ECL 10? Seems to be a bit of a gap there... am I missing something else?
#4 salla Dec 19, 2008 11:24:15	Turns out it is only CR 2... which makes it even stranger to me. Adding two levels of Barbarian would make it CR 4, but ECL 10? Seems to be a bit of a gap there... am I missing something else? Not really. Racial HD and LA were always extremely wonky and, in general, didn't work. One of the reasons 4th got rid of it.