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#1 suneskisses Mar 10, 2008 1:17:10	If anyone can tell me anything special about Sune and her chosen devotees, that would be awsome. I have a feeling that she will still be around in 4e, I don't know how she could not. Love is still in the realms and she being the greater deity of love; I would see her making it out of all this BS that is going on. Any special spell or knowledge that you have about her would be great, or if you just really like Sune and want to leave a comment that would be awsome. Thanks and have fun. The Crimson Kiss of Sune
#2 old_sage Mar 10, 2008 3:48:08	Rather than summarise the specifics here, I would simply suggest that you pick up a copy of Faiths & Avatars instead.
#3 todesherr Mar 10, 2008 7:20:17	Whimpy Goddess...:D
#4 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Mar 10, 2008 12:11:21	Whimpy Goddess...:D No.;)
#5 draco_spirit Mar 10, 2008 18:52:19	INHO there two major types of sunite. Type one, who are mostly interested in thing like poetry, romantic stories, making beuterful things and trying to be sensual. These are you npc's with levels in things like commoner,expert and noble mostly with some clerics and most bards fitting in well. Type two are typically interested in living out romantic ideals like saving fair maidens (or finding there knight in shining armor), slaying foul monsters and protecting and fighting for beauty and love in general. Paladins and monks of Sune fall into this group as do most adventuring sunites. Typically most players want to play type 2, whilst type 1 are a good source of DM plot hocks.
#6 Stigger Mar 10, 2008 18:58:52	I'd add philosophers and other contemplative types into that mixture as well. Probably quite a few aesetics as well. I tend to view Sune (yes, I know, here I go again) as much broader than simply romantic love. Love of home, family, nation, friends... I'd definitely consider that part of her portfolio. Beauty, from manufactured to natural, that's in there as well as far as I'm concerned, which I think could justify a druid being accepted in the faith, particularly if one considers that sacred site of hers just north of Hill's Edge. Passion, well, that's hardly limited to the physical... a passion for life, poetry, song, food, whatever pursuits one could think of that aren't innately evil or destructive I think would fit in nicely there. There's a place in there for anyone and everyone tends to sum them up from my point of view.
#7 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Mar 10, 2008 19:29:59	I also don't really see the point in compartmentalizing Sune's followers into distinct groups.
#8 Stigger Mar 11, 2008 0:07:20	People have a tendency to do that, so it can be made with some justification... though I don't really see it being the case given her Chaotic nature, usually shared by her followers. I could see the paladins setting themselves apart a bit though really.
#9 draco_spirit Mar 11, 2008 8:15:18	I also don't really see the point in compartmentalizing Sune's followers into distinct groups. Less compartments, more general trends within the chuch of the diffrent follower types.
#10 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Mar 11, 2008 9:19:36	People have a tendency to do that, so it can be made with some justification... True.
#11 the_shaman Mar 12, 2008 10:40:11	I consider Sune the deity of beauty and passion... mostly the passions of love, but possibly others as well. Everything that is beautiful is pleasing to her, and every labor of love - sensual or otherwise - is a praise to her glory. A smith who produces an ornate item or an architect who designs a beautiful building can find favor with her as much as any lover. This, imo, really helps with conceptualizing monks and paladins of Sune. Though their Goddess might be somewhat whimsical at times and tends to chaff at restrictions, their role as protectors of all that is fair and worthy is one which she wholeheartedly supports.
#12 lord_karsus Mar 12, 2008 17:52:48	-Pshh, tell me about her...
#13 suneskisses Mar 19, 2008 15:08:32	I agree shaman, Sune to me is the goddess of passion and love and beauty. that means to me that she finds it anywhere, in nature, in love, in artwork, in life, and just cause someone is evil or not always good doesn't mean that love or beauty can't be find in them. Love is a hard element to fight, which I think is why Sune is such a powerfull goddess. Some of the most amazing stories and events of the D&D world have taking place due to love or passion, of a person, or item, or for someones homeland or what have you. Any thoughts...
#14 lord_karsus Mar 19, 2008 15:25:03	-Of course. Some of the most basic concepts, ideas, and emotions, when boiled down, somehow involve love.
#15 Stigger Mar 19, 2008 18:15:19	That's pretty much why I tend to put Mystra behind her in power in my own campaign... second only to Chauntea in my game, and even then its close.
#16 old_sage Mar 19, 2008 19:30:41	The entire concept of love, because even the noblest love can be "dirty" at times, could be embodied by the aspects which Sune supports. "Sune is about how love can lead you to the truest path of your heart's desire... sometimes even if you don't know it yet yourself." Sometimes, we don't see the love we have for another staring us right in the face, because we're consumed with feelings that impose themselves upon the love we should be feeling -- feelings of hatred, of anger, or perhaps, even resentment. This changes the state of what could be a noble love, to something that is "dirty". If the love is meant to be, then it will endure. It will evolve. It will become your true path to your heart's desire. Sune's dogma does acknowledge the reality that not all love is of the romantic kind... and that warm friendship and deep admiration for others -- which can be 'types' of love, though not necessarily romantic, shared between friends and family -- are just as much important to the faith, as is the concept of true and romantic love.
#17 suneskisses Mar 19, 2008 23:32:40	BINGO!!! Sage