Thanksgiving in the Realms

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#1

JudgeDookie

Nov 25, 2009 21:34:07
I'm not a big "holiday seasons" guy, but since we are here, I figured it might be interesting to see if there was any obscure lore out there that described any nation or culture celebrating a day such as this.

Any Thanksgiving-like holidays celebrated by anyone in FR?  
#2

The_Silversword

Nov 25, 2009 22:37:32
Im guessing that the Feast of the Moon would be the Realms equivalent of Thanksgiving. I have heard refference to an All Souls Day in Elminsters Ecologies, which im assuming is like Halloween, but i dont know the actual date for the day. Not sure about Christmas, of course the Realms doesnt have a Jesus (or does it?), so i guess it wouldnt really have a Christmas. 
#3

sfdragon

Nov 26, 2009 0:22:11
sheildmeet


other holidays are based on the various religions....


all though... if they do haqve a christmas styled holliday, midwinter's eve?
#4

The_Silversword

Nov 26, 2009 3:14:54
nah Sheildmeet is leap year!

When is the Kara Turan New year's any way?

Not sure how it would match up on our calendar. Not all our months have 30 days in them, so it might be off a day or two, depending on the month. And the Realms have extra days in there, effectively giving some months 31 days in the Realms, so its similar to our calendar, but February screws it up, stupid February.
#5

Stigger

Nov 26, 2009 8:42:26
Turmish celebrated something vaguely like Thanksgiving as I recall it, and I'd imagine several religions would have something like it, and in fact one could probably argue that its almost impossible that the Church of Lliira wouldn't celebrate something like it, given their philosophical bent.  Most would be regional though I'd guess, and I'd lump any "Yay, we didn't die!" celebrations in with it myself.

As a side note, there's a Christmas analog in Waterdeep, complete with Old Carvas, some mythical peddler figure who arrival marked the first caravan to arrive after a particularly harsh winter, or some such... though I believe it took place in spring, so not that close of an analog I guess.  At any rate, most of the big holidays we know would probably be celebrated in places where the Fey had left their marks the strongest, given the distinctly pagan origins most of our current big holidays have.
#6

suin_bahhar_02

Nov 26, 2009 10:10:20
Indeed, pagan origins for festivals which are tied to the cycles of life were and are important community binding activities that are likely to exist in a meriad of forms among all races on Fearun. Times for harvesting and the plenty it brings, the lengthening of the days heralding the coming of spring in midwinter and the return of the warmth of summer at the start of the spring season are all important events in populations living in temperate seasonal zones.

Nature gods such as Chauntea and those who watch over seasons are a good bet to have festivals similar to thanksgiving. Harvest time for Chauntea coinsides with a solemn High Prayer of the Harvest, but this sounds a lot more restrained than Thanksgiving is. Her envigorating carnivallike festival is during Greengrass.
#7

JudgeDookie

Nov 26, 2009 18:40:18
Yeah. I get the whole religious implication behind such a holiday--though, like Suin, I'd more immediately look to Chauntea as a source for such a thing, due to a bountiful harvest and such. My interest was more along the lines of the whole escape from oppression and being able to replant your roots in a new world type-thing. 
#8

Nai_Calus

Nov 26, 2009 20:52:52

We elves celebrate a holiday where we feast on the corpses of dead humans and give thanks to Corellon and of course ourselves for the success of our evil plots. Tongue out


We of course do no such thing, but I'm sure Stigger et al. think so. :P

#9

JudgeDookie

Nov 26, 2009 21:17:29
As Stig's intellect vastly outweighs your own, don't be surprised if you get a full page reply on how such a thing is plausible. He's generally to the point, but he's also a big history buff--you may just get a white paper on the subject.  smiley-rolleyes007.gif
#10

me25

Nov 26, 2009 21:48:21

We elves celebrate a holiday where we feast on the corpses of dead humans and give thanks to Corellon and of course ourselves for the success of our evil plots. Tongue out


We of course do no such thing, but I'm sure Stigger et al. think so. :P



Drow elves might, although they may have trouble finding a sufficient supply of humans, and they would probably be too sophisticated for that anyway. However, I'm sure they feed human/orc/goblin/whatever kind of meat they can find to their slaves. (Soylent Green anybody?)

More on topic, I don't think you would really have anything resembling a pilgrim/indian thing in the realms, unless elves helped out some humans to settle a new area, which in theory could be any old, major city/city-state/nation.

#11

The_Silversword

Nov 27, 2009 1:54:05

We elves celebrate a holiday where we feast on the corpses of dead humans and give thanks to Corellon and of course ourselves for the success of our evil plots. 




Thats supposed to be a closly guarded secret!

#12

VaultDweller

Nov 27, 2009 8:33:46
Thanksgiving is a harvest celebration.  I'd say that most cultures (at least human ones) in Faerun would have something similar.
#13

Stigger

Nov 27, 2009 9:20:07

We elves celebrate a holiday where we feast on the corpses of dead humans and give thanks to Corellon and of course ourselves for the success of our evil plots. 

We of course do no such thing, but I'm sure Stigger et al. think so. :P




Elves are a lot of things, but cannibals isn't one of them.  Hells, they're barely carnivores at all... yet another reason they can't be trusted.
#14

The_Silversword

Nov 27, 2009 18:59:41
ok back on topic, So what holy days does chantea have? would one of them match up with the American holiday of Thanksgiving? Im thinkin Feast of the Moon, or maybe Highharvestide?


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#16

JudgeDookie

Nov 28, 2009 4:34:32
ok back on topic, So what holy days does chantea have? would one of them match up with the American holiday of Thanksgiving? Im thinkin Feast of the Moon, or maybe Highharvestide?



Feast of the Moon is nothing like Thanksgiving. Highharvestide only partially fits. 
#17

Stigger

Nov 28, 2009 8:04:18
We do know that turkey exists in the Realms... one of the Volo's guides mentions them I believe.
#18

The_Silversword

Nov 28, 2009 17:06:29

Flipping thru the Faiths & Avatars book, and found this:
"High Prayers of the Harvest celebrate the bounty Chauntea has given a community and are held at different times in each community to coincide with the actual harvest of crops, rather than precisely on Higharvestide."
So that sounds pretty close to a Thanksgiving in the Realms. Maybe they celebrate something even more similar to Thanksgiving over in New Waterdeep?

#19

Stigger

Nov 28, 2009 19:21:51
Could be.  I'd think it would be more prevalent in the North though, as the winter conditions make that sort of celebration much more likely.
#20

JudgeDookie

Nov 28, 2009 20:48:49

Flipping thru the Faiths & Avatars book, and found this:
"High Prayers of the Harvest celebrate the bounty Chauntea has given a community and are held at different times in each community to coincide with the actual harvest of crops, rather than precisely on Higharvestide."
So that sounds pretty close to a Thanksgiving in the Realms....




As stated, I am well aware of the religious and harvest tie in's with the holiday. I am more concerned about one that also includes "new beginnings", so to say. One that mimics the circumstances of the pilgrim's. 

Which is why, more or less, why I mentioned the "obscure" part in my OP. 
#21

The_Silversword

Nov 28, 2009 20:59:52

Flipping thru the Faiths & Avatars book, and found this:
"High Prayers of the Harvest celebrate the bounty Chauntea has given a community and are held at different times in each community to coincide with the actual harvest of crops, rather than precisely on Higharvestide."
So that sounds pretty close to a Thanksgiving in the Realms....




As stated, I am well aware of the religious and harvest tie in's with the holiday. I am more concerned about one that also includes "new beginnings", so to say. One that mimics the circumstances of the pilgrim's. 

Which is why, more or less, why I mentioned the "obscure" part in my OP. 



Well thats the best i could come up with, but like i said New Waterdeep might have a more Thanksgiving type thing going on, being in the 'New World" and all. I beleive Stig mentioned something about Turmish having a Thanksgiving like celebration? Ill go read up on some Turmites.
To be honest i dont think ive come across any holidays in the Realms that arent tied to a deity, aside from Greengrass, Highharvestide, Feast of the Moon, Sheildmeet, Midwinter & Midsummer.

#22

JudgeDookie

Nov 28, 2009 21:22:04

Well thats the best i could come up with....



And I appreciate you looking into it.


#23

Nai_Calus

Nov 29, 2009 4:51:19

And you won't. Even those you mention get lip service due to the deity in control of the portfolio each falls under. 



And at least one of those is used *as* a religious holiday by a non-human race.



#24

The_Silversword

Nov 29, 2009 5:18:07

And you won't. Even those you mention get lip service due to the deity in control of the portfolio each falls under. 



And at least one of those is used *as* a religious holiday by a non-human race.





Well dont be all cryptic, which holiday and which race?

#25

Nai_Calus

Nov 30, 2009 10:35:30
Cinnaelos'Cor, the Day of Corellon's Peace, unsurprisingly observed by the Elves, is every four years on Shieldmeet.
#26

Stigger

Nov 30, 2009 13:52:31
Ah, right... that was the day the Lords of Waterdeep nearly got offed by some crazy bard and a nutball dragon... or something like that.  Typical of the "Peace" that Corellon would promote... Tongue outWink
#27

18DELTA

Nov 30, 2009 17:06:10
Now thats what I am talking about. Gotta love the Elves, nut-job Bards, and crazy Dragons too!Cool
#28

Nai_Calus

Nov 30, 2009 21:02:02

Hey now, she was only half elven and not even as far as we know a follower of the Seldarine.


Man, I loved that book.

#29

Stigger

Dec 01, 2009 8:59:24

Uh-huh... sure, right...