If all you have to contribute is a negative opinion, I would kindly ask you to refrain from posting in this thread, as I would like to keep it as cohesive as possible.
What I recommend be posted here are:
1. Campaign arc ideas
2. Adventure ideas
3. Sources of political/economic intrigue to explore
4. Character ideas (player or non-player)
5. New perspectives on old locales and how they can provide a rich gaming experience
I thank you for your participation.
On a side note, I'm really interested to see if the oldest continually inhabited city in Faerun still stands. Did Skuld survive the spellplague, or did the walls finally fall after over 35 centuries?
There are going to be new NPCs created for the regions I figure. Most will be low to mid-level I feel.
If Shadowdale is still run by the Zhent I will be pleased. Especially if the Zhents are no longer silly super-villains and just a nation that is trying to expand using any means necessary.
This ought to lead to something interesting.I think that seeing how Mulhorand deals with the Dragoborn would be a neat thing. I mean, they did conquer Unther, only to have a bunch of reptilemen appear from nowhere
Well set won't be happt now that he is the chief god and he has to deal with dragonmen, possibly under Tiamats influence.
Well set won't be happt now that he is the chief god and he has to deal with dragonmen, possibly under Tiamats influence.
Wait, the cult of Set took over? I knew I was out of touch with recent FR changes, but I didn't realize it was to such an extent; when did this happen?
The only thing I have to worry about is the killing off of too many gods. Which frankly i don't get. To me less gods, means less options for the DM, which is never a good thing in my opinion.
Other then that i can incorporate a few rumors of catastrophe from distant lands. I even get to ignore the new Saurials.. i mean Draenei.. Dragonborn! sorry. It's kind of nice being able to chuckle from the sidelines.. But i do feel bad for those whose campaigns have been crapped upon.
It seems like there will be many, many places along northern and eastern borders of Cormyr where a DM could slip in a Shadow Rift, Winterhaven and a nearby ruined keep.
I think it makes sense for the great mages and leaders of Faerûn to discover soon after the Spellplague that it was magical wards (and not necessarily the will of the gods) that kept places like Evermeet, Waterdeep, Silverymoon, Shade (and possibly even Cormyr) from much harm.
Thus, I would think city-states like Zhentil Keep and Westgate would double their efforts to steal away any lore or knowledge about Mythals and the like, at whatever cost.
After all, just because the Spellplague happened once does not mean it couldn’t happen again on one scale or another. There is also the issue of jealousy and pride, as those places that were protected might be seen as ‘better’ (read: better leadership and more powerful) than those that were not.
The prosperous realms may also draw survivors and population away from those places that suffered, further reducing the power and influence of the later.
-M.
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Aye, you rez the thread but how about rezzing your activity around these boards? ;)
It seems like FRs one theme will be how magic is more feared than it was in the past. It is interesting since 100 years before that if you were were a caster you probably rueled something or controled someone who did. Now you may be hiding from the rulers.
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-You know, ironically enough, I was talking about you today. Are you like a Chosen, perhaps? Mention your name, and you hear the next seven words or so...
;)
Just kidding. I like the attention actually. :P
So I'm totally digging H1 and can't wait for H2.
My players already want to pursue a semi-alternate timeline where they get to make characters that are descendents and/or some kind of follower/adherent characters that were trained or came from places built by their original 3E characters 100 years ago in the Realms.
I'm starting to get lots of good ideas on how to encorporate H1 and H2 (see recent post in my H1 thread) into the 'future' Realms.
My players are split on whether to wait for the 4E books to be released (only really need the PHB to get going since H1 is like 70-80 pages long and has all the stats/encounters built in with rules on how to run it --no need for a 4E DMG just yet) or to keep playing now with the pregenerated characters that come with H1.
If you feel discontent or severely dislike FR 4e, please avoid this thread, it isn't meant for you and I ask that you kindly not post off-topic (unpleasant) things regarding the new direction of the Realms.
So, again, I say welcome and lets get our 4gotten Realms (positive) talk on!
-Such a thread already exists, HERE. Continue discussion there, and I'll have the two threads merged.
Hmm, I didn't see that before...
Edit; A side note, it isn't exactly the same thing. This thread is open to all ideas and thoughts on 4e FR.
The thread you linked asks for specific ideas covering;
What I recommend be posted here are:
1. Campaign arc ideas
2. Adventure ideas
3. Sources of political/economic intrigue to explore
4. Character ideas (player or non-player)
5. New perspectives on old locales and how they can provide a rich gaming experience
I thank you for your participation.
This is a more general and open thread then the one linked. I'd ask if you would not have them merged, thank you.
I can't wait... well, I have to, but still.
Much of the complaints at the present come from a downgrade in all areas of the Realms. Quality of Maps, Quality of Lore, Loss of major areas, and loss of gods all being a good basis to note.
When the FRCG is released, we'll better be able to understand and take sides in regards to the level of enjoyment to be found there. As it stands now, what little information we have, and the diagrams to go by, bespeak a drastically downplayed world.
Ignoring entirely personal taste for lore, and going soley by a point by point comparrison of existing material vs material to be presented.
-RW
Comparing what we know of the Realms (old and new) is doomed to fail because we don't know that much.
This is more to discuss what we do know and go from there.
Happy gaming, regardless.
By the way, I'm surprised you're using the term "4gotten Realms", after all the arguing about how negative/disdainful that term is.
I rather liked the article about Gontal. I wouldn't use Gontal in the Realms (most likely) and there probably could have been more "meat" to it, but I could tell Ed had a hand in writing it.
By the way, I'm surprised you're using the term "4gotten Realms", after all the arguing about how negative/disdainful that term is.
lol, I had heard about it being used in a negative way and thought I'd turn it on it's head to be used in a positive sense.
And I agree that the new fluff we see can be useful outside of the Realms. I think that is a major selling point they're trying to get across to people now, that just because it is for a particular setting, it doesn't mean it can't be Incorporated into your own. (I know this has been true for most editions, but they seem to be actively encouraging it now, IMHO)
And I agree that the new fluff we see can be useful outside of the Realms. I think that is a major selling point they're trying to get across to people now, that just because it is for a particular setting, it doesn't mean it can't be Incorporated into your own. (I know this has been true for most editions, but they seem to be actively encouraging it now, IMHO)
Yes, in fact the designers have stated as much.
The feeling of something new, which I was looking forward to as well, doesn't outweigh that which we have been shown. Things like the "Headless Zhent", and the quality of maps has in all regards decreased, with the sole exception of the map with the cormyr update.
So until the FRCG is released, and things are elaborated on, I don't think we can make a fair comparrison, without being biased by past or current dislikes.
-RW
By the way, I'm surprised you're using the term "4gotten Realms", after all the arguing about how negative/disdainful that term is.
I noticed it to. The OP may want to change the thread title. ;)
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I agree, however, that the Cormyr map was awesome.
Other than that I like the bare bones feel of the settings, it harkens back to the original gray box set. This way you can flavor the new lore as you want and also import any old lore you want to include.
Bel
And pie.
Not necessarily in that order.
Hmm, a campaign involving a secret alliance between New Netheril and Shou Lung...I was thinking due to the recent growth of the number of Shou towns in Faerun, you can do something insidious with that idea;)
GhotR canon: At the end of 3e, an emissary travels from T'u Lung to Mulhorand, for whatever reason.
Extrapolation:
Mulhorand has ancient 'bad blood' with the Imaskari, and Shou Lung is technically an Imaskar survivor state, so....
I can see Mulhorand and T'u Lung planning a huge two-prong assault on Shou Lung, which would change the east quite a bit in 4e.
Maybe I'll be able to have my 3e Kara-Tur netbook finished by the time 5e rolls around. :embarrass
Wonder if we can get WotC to let the gentleman who did the Cormyr map or Markustay redo them for web distribution? That'd be a nice touch.
Which edition of Thieves World you using? I have all the old, original stuff. I never read any of the later novels (after everything changed), and when I bought the 3e Thieves World sourcbook I was very dissapointed that it was set in the post-Ranke world.
The setting/city does make for an EXCELLENT Westgate.
There's a great name reference for the series here if you're stuck for an NPC name.