I once toyed with the idea of sending my players to Faerûn's moon, but they never quite found their way throug the portal in Cormyr that leads there.
Aside from that, I do not know what Atropus is - FR has its own moon, and in 4e the Illusion hiding its 'habitability' has been removed. I will have to check Elder Evils for that one you mentioned - it sounds mildly interesting.
Many do not like the Elder Evil/Aberrations in FR, especially now with 4e forcing them upon us.
Aside from that, I do not know what Atropus is - FR has its own moon, and in 4e the Illusion hiding its 'habitability' has been removed. I will have to check Elder Evils for that one you mentioned - it sounds mildly interesting.
What does 4e do with Elder Evils and Aberrations?
Atropus is a moon that looks like the moon from one of the Zelda games. It travels from world to world raising the corpses of the dead. To top it all off it only has a CR of 23.
I personally will not DM a game with it anytime soon as I believe to pull it off right it takes a really experienced DM.
Im interested in hearing about peoples' experiences with any of the elder evils. :coolcthul
It's in Elder Evils. Basically, it's a traveling moon that goes around the cosmos destroying worlds.
-Unicron!
-I immediately thought of the moon from Majora's Mask...
What does 4e do with Elder Evils and Aberrations?
-With what we know of the debut of the 4-Gotten Realms, there seems to be a heavy push of Aberrations, more so than usual.
-Unicron!
-I immediately thought of the moon from Majora's Mask...
-With what we know of the debut of the 4-Gotten Realms, there seems to be a heavy push of Aberrations, more so than usual.
4e Forgotten Realms is an aberration, so that makes perfect sense.
4e Forgotten Realms is an aberration, so that makes perfect sense.
-Unicron!
Indeed.
Only Unicron was a planet.Indeed.
-One man's moon is another man's planet? I don't know...:embarassed
4e Forgotten Realms is an aberration, so that makes perfect sense.
Spit-take worthy. :D
I like to think of Abeir as Toril's evil psuedo-natural twin. Maybe you can use Atropus as Abeir's Moon? Since so many other things have shifted from that world to Toril, I don't think anyone would notice an extra moon at this point.
Maybe Atropus is Selune's evil twin...
-'Abeir' could theoretically be the "Faerûnian version" of Atropus, just like, say, Ghaunadaur is the "Faerûnian version" of Jubilex.
If Abeir is Toril's 'Dark Twin', then it's moon would be Selune's 'Dark Twin', which would be Shar, which would not only be pretty cool, but it would make some sense - the Shadow Plane and Negative Planes have been rolled into the Shadowfel, so that means Shadowcrap = negative energy/Undead crap.
Shar, as FR's Shadow Deity, should have some sort of deep connection to Undead in 4e, and that moon, Atropus, raises the dead as it passes by.
It might not be what the designer's are doing, but its perfect.
To extend this even further, then Chauntea is Toril, so Abeir must be her dark counterpart... the World Serpent?
Hmmmmm...
It's in Elder Evils. Basically, it's a traveling moon that goes around the cosmos destroying worlds.
Like an evil version of Space: 1999, without the spaceships?
Giant evil moons that travel the galaxy are incredibly dumb. I've never liked "elder evils" and Far Realms crap in my Forgotten Realms. They're fine for Call of Chtulhu games, but they just don't fit with FR.
But think about it...
If Abeir is Toril's 'Dark Twin'...
-Case in point: IF.
Giant evil moons that travel the galaxy are incredibly dumb. I've never liked "elder evils" and Far Realms crap in my Forgotten Realms. They're fine for Call of Chtulhu games, but they just don't fit with FR.
-Some of it works, some of it doesn't. Like all things. Pandorym, one of the entities in that book, made his...her...IT's debut in the Forgotten Realms (Darkvision), and then was added into that Elder Evils book afterwards. In Pandorym's case, I think it worked. An entity summoned and captured by the Imaskari that has power on par with deities, conjured to defeat deities.
-Not that that really means much, I don't think. I don't see how this would effect the average person in any major way.
-Yeah, I never was into that "edition" of Transformers too much. Beast Wars, now that was my thing growing up. Loved Beast Wars.
BLASPHEMY!!!!!!
why OH why would the coolest robot EVER! (Optimus Prime) will want to become a MONKEY!!!! ( I hate monkeys....)
When I was 8 years old I rmmember watcing the animated transformers movie and that was the first time I ever cried in a movie (when Prime dies)
Personally, if I were to go that route, I would use Mongo from Flash Gordon. Not the terrible new Sci-Fi series, the original series, in all its glory.
Spit-take worthy. :D
I like to think of Abeir as Toril's evil psuedo-natural twin. Maybe you can use Atropus as Abeir's Moon? Since so many other things have shifted from that world to Toril, I don't think anyone would notice an extra moon at this point.
Maybe Atropus is Selune's evil twin...
There's already an story arc in the book for FR and eberron and it's qute good and a sa matter of fact I am to run an atropus campain in FR next sunday....
Well the realms do you elder evils of their own since forever. Dendar and Kezef? And that ridiculous elf-eater thing. Anyway Atropus could hide among the tears of Selune. would make it harder to spot initially.
That's actually the story I think
BLASPHEMY!!!!!!
why OH why would the coolest robot EVER! (Optimus Prime) will want to become a MONKEY!!!! ( I hate monkeys....)
When I was 8 years old I rmmember watcing the animated transformers movie and that was the first time I ever cried in a movie (when Prime dies)
-Optimus Primal, not Prime.
-I believe that, in the Transformers continuity, Beast Wars took place on Earth a long, long time ago. Optimus Primal was like, like a "proto-type" of Optimus Prime. Something like that.
There's already an story arc in the book for FR and eberron and it's qute good and a sa matter of fact I am to run an atropus campain in FR next sunday....
-I like it when Core books have things like, "In the Forgotten Realms...", or "In Eberron...".
speaking of Selune, the illusion is gone correct?
-I did kinda already post:
-And, since it's relevant, I might as well mention that the illusions masking the civilization on Selûne are going to be gone in the 4-Gotten Realms, so...
-Not that that really means much, I don't think. I don't see how this would effect the average person in any major way.
-I did kinda already post:
why wouldn't it effect much? what would be visible to the naked eye I wonder?
why wouldn't it effect much? what would be visible to the naked eye I wonder?
-This is how I think of it: With the naked eye, how much detail can we see of our own moon. Not very much, such that people often see a "face" and all of that. With the naked eye, the "view" of Selûnian settlements would be just as bad, I'd think.
It's not so much what the people from Faerun would see, as much as what the paranoid xenophobes from Selune would do if they thought people can see them.
-They'd put shades on their windows. And, if I do say so myself, it's about time!
(...) They'd put shades on their windows. And, if I do say so myself, it's about time!
Remember, with all Netheril products and imports, caveat emptor! ;)
Remember, with all Netheril products and imports, caveat emptor! ;)
-Hey, being the Archmage of Archmages, and the leader of Netheril, I gotta sell my product, what can I say? ;)
Anyway an invasion by a massive fleet of moth-ships from paranoid Illusionists from Selune is long overdue. The realms are so peaceful, we need to shake things up!
The realms are so peaceful, we need to shake things up!
-Give it a month or so. ;) :D
I had the feeling that 4E would not have a dozen RSEs . . . part of the attraction.
-The "Opening Act" is a big RSE, so...Take that as you will.
I had the feeling that 4E would not have a dozen RSEs . . . part of the attraction.
once the novels starting coming for 4e we will be back to RSEs I am sure
once the novels starting coming for 4e we will be back to RSEs I am sure
-Good point. If there aren't going to be sourcebooks making changes to the world, then it's going to be all dependent on the novels. I guess DDI stuff will be canon, though...
-Good point. If there aren't going to be sourcebooks making changes to the world, then it's going to be all dependent on the novels. I guess DDI stuff will be canon, though...
DDi will have canon I guess, but I am sure it won't have RSE
DDi will have canon I guess, but I am sure it won't have RSE
-You'd think that. There's a 50% chance- either they will, or they won't.
-I don't think we have to "worry" about Unicron, here, attacking, though. ;)