Can anyone inform me as to if anything has been released yet on if everyones favorite "evil" elf, Elaith Craulnober, has survived to current FR times, and if so whats he up to nowadays.
-Nothing has been mentioned of him, as of yet. He is an Elf, so it is likely that he is still alive, being as that 100 years is not very long for an Elf. It's wholly possible that he met some unseen end. However, if he didn't, again, it is likely he's still alive and up to something, somewhere.
Anyway, I'd say that he is cunning enough that he's still around somewhere. Also, Waterdeep escaped most of the effects of the Spellplague.
One more question if you guys dont mind, what happened to the Seven Sisters, I know there all dead, but how?
They are not all dead.
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I know Storm and Dove are unaccounted for. I heard Laeral was dead on Candlekeep, but when I asked where exactly that was confirmed I did not get an answer. The Simbul is still alive and living in the Dalelands (see the FRCG). Alustriel passed away as per the FRCG. Sylune died in the recent Shadowdale adventure, and Qilue was killed in the final book of the Lady Penitent trilogy.
Thank you for the replies guys, GEV you seem a little more bitter these days than i remember ;) , and LK if anyone knew what the hells going on around here I knew it would be you, well since Kuje left the forums way back in the day anyway, you've become "that guy". One more question if you guys dont mind, what happened to the Seven Sisters, I know there all dead, but how?
-Some of the Seven Sisters, we know what happened to them, and some of them, we don't.
Sylune was killed during a Zhent incursion into Shadowdale in 1374 DR
Qilue sacrificed herself while she was serving as Eilistraee's mortal vessel in 1378 DR.
Alustriel passed away sometime during the 3e to 4e transition.
The Simbul is living "covertly" in Shadowdale, and is no longer the ruler of Alglarond.
Dove, we don't know.
Storm, we don't know.
Laeral, we don't know.
as for Elaith, he is eladrin right?
he is likely still around, but old age would of set in, and he would of likely left for the feywild or myth drannor to live out the rest of his days in peace.
if it was the one in reply to my question Ed said that one of the 2 ladies i mentioned was still alive during the year of the ageless one.
Would you be able to copy and paste that answer here?
Would you be able to copy and paste that answer here?
I could.....
but should I?????
probably shouldnt have vegeta's theme playing right now either.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10427&whichpage=58
Originally posted by The Hooded One
[br]Hello again, all. Ed has returned, his chariot restored, and has responded to many recent questions in this thread with a blizzard of short replies, as follows:
Sir Urza, to respond to your Aug 13th query, back on page 56 of this thread: I wrote about the elves of Golarion (more than would fit in the product Mike McArtor was assembling at the time, of course, so some of it’ll show up elsewhere, too).
Wooly Rupert, Susan Morris edits my Spin A Yarn pieces and then Miranda Horner (the lovely Lady Gumdrop) gets them onto the website. This year, when she was doing so (literally in the hours before I departed for GenCon, and then when I snuck onto a Net-connected computer partway through my journey down), I begged her to find the “long lost on the Wizards site” first Spin A Yarn tale and restore the links - - and she eagerly sleuthed and found and came through for us all! Hurray and much thanks, Lady Miranda!
althen artren, the mountains west of the Dalelands hold just about everything in the way of mineral wealth, from easily-mined surface veins of iron and copper to “tubes” where lodes of gemstones can be found. Unfortunately for delvers of today, most of the easily-found and -accessed veins have been found and worked out in the past, so one must go into the monster-haunted deeps under the earth, braving drow and worse, to gain much (“mining” the ruins of Myth Drannor for gems and metal treasures was far more profitable than mining mountain rock, circa the 1370s, if one managed to survive the demons and devils infesting the place).
sfdragon, Menelvagor, and Kuje: the fates of the Seven are revealed in the FRCS or in Realms novels, or will be revealed in the fullness of time. One of the two ladies sfdragon mentioned is definitely NOT dead in the Year of the Ageless One.
Menelvagor, Elminster is still alive for other reasons, some of which will be revealed in the novel I write after THE SWORD NEVER SLEEPS, if not sooner. I’ll just hint this much: Elminster’s mind is a very crowded place, these days (“these days” meaning days in the Year of the Ageless One). As for your speculations regarding The Simbul: heh, you’re going to be surprised . . .
Ashe Ravenheart: Elminster definitely hasn’t been put in a retirement home, though I’m sure there are many times he wishes he has. The possible perils of bland food, boring routine, dementia, and smells are a lot less daunting than the perils he DOES have to face, trust me. Your guesses re. his “voices” are very good ones, and I’ll just have to correct you by saying [NDA] [NDA] [NDA] and of course [NDA], except when [NDA].
Zandilar, I’m glad you liked The Weaver of Dreams. I wrote it in half a day, once I finally got around to sitting down to do it, and had a lot of fun. I have safely received the file from this year’s Spin A Yarn, but probably won’t get to it until very early 2009.
As for your daughters questions, I’m sorry, but big fat shiny NDAs are indeed still in place. Which, when you think about, should hearten you (hint hint ahem hint).
KnightErrantJR, I believe I did meet your charming daughter on Sunday, but then again: there ARE other kind gentlemen at GenCon (and for that matter, I spend a lot of time at the con being, er, less than gentlemanly).
The Red Walker, glad I could brighten your day. Although we “industry professionals” often use the con as a time to sit and talk business (and meet old friends, too, just as everyone else does) GenCon is for the fans. When I meet you, it may be my two-thousand-and-thirteenth encounter with a gamer that day, but it’s probably your first meeting with me, and the gamer behind you may be awaiting his first meeting with me ever, and so on. Nothing in the world is more important than making you happy, hearing what you have to say (crit as well as kudos), and finding out what you’d like to see. I just wish more gaming company folks never forgot that.
At my first GenCon (Number 8, in Lake Geneva) all the “old pro gamers” were very nice to me, a skinny bespectacled and shy kid from Canada, and I will be d**mned if I’ll do less for gamers I meet now, than they did back then.
I remember meeting some kids from Kenosha at GenCon 23 (I think) in Milwaukee who were just awed by all the games or sale. So they’d spent all their food and “bus home” money by early Saturday, and were facing starvation and a long walk out of the city, so I gave them a hundred bucks for food and drove them home Sunday - - and was more than a little stunned to be introduced, at a much later GenCon, to two young gamers who’d been named after me by their forever-grateful fathers, because of that little, little helping hand.
Anyone who designs games for money is crazy (well, yes, anyone who designs games is crazy, but . . . ). I do this for the friendships and the fun.
And the few lines of cracked soprano I managed to croak out at GenCon (the front of that room was COLD, and since my throat surgery I really need to warm up my voice, to have any upper register or falsetto at all) was from “I’m Called Little Buttercup” from H.M. S. Pinafore (the Gilbert & Sullivan operetta).
Which brings me to wanting to express deep thanks on my part to many, many folks of the Keep who made my GenCon a delight this year, including Garen Thal, Steven Schend, Brian Gute, Jeff Thetford, Brian James (and thanks for putting up with my teasing you re. Toni with such grace and good humour, too!), Jaleigh Johnson, Paul Kemp, Erik Scott de Bie, and Kuje and Wandering_mage and so many, many more. I HOPE I got to meet the Lady K (I did, didn’t I?). I’m forgetting dozens more right now, but please believe me: I don’t WANT to forget or slight you, I’m just getting old and overloaded. (The Lady THO can overload me all by herself when she wants to, believe me. Umm, didn’t think you’d have all that hard a time believing that . . .)
To all scribes: I don’t care if you’ve sworn off the 4e Realms or not, you’re missing out on some GREAT novels if you pass over any of the four books in the “Ed Greenwood Presents Waterdeep” series that I’ve had the pleasure of reviewing thus far. Three of them have been publicly announced, and two were signed and given away as fast as gamers could snap them up at the con. In order of appearance, the three announced tomes are Steven’s BLACKSTAFF TOWER, Jaleigh’s MISTSHORE, and Erik’s DOWNSHADOW. Three very different books, yet all capture the essence of the great city of Waterdeep, and all of them are darned good yarns that I have re-read several times with much pleasure. That preceding sentence also applies to the still-secret fourth book.
And if you’re looking for something a little offbeat, WORLDS OF THEIR OWN debuted at GenCon, too. Jim Lowder ably herded catsXXXX er, thought up and edited this collection of stories by Elaine Cunningham, Paul Kemp, me, James Lowder himself, and such familiar names as J. Robert King, Bob Salvatore, Michael Stackpole, and Gary Gygax: stories we all wrote that are NOT set in shared worlds. Mine is a “sky pirates” sort of story from decades ago, and the other tales are similarly “different from what you’re used to.” A trade paperback in the Planet Stories line from Paizo. End of shameless plugs, I promise.
Edit: Ackkh, I'm getting old! I forgot to mention Monte Cook, Lisa Smedman, Greg Stafford, Will McDermott, etc as contributors to WORLDS OF THEIR OWN. Thank goodness Jim Lowder is nowhere near as forgetful as me, and got stories from them and still others!
I have some urgent matters to clear up after the con, and will plunge right back into lore replies as soon as I can. Which means soon, I promise.
So saith Ed. Who keeps his promises, believe me. (I once had the bruises to prove it, but that’s another story.) [;)]
love to all,
THO
Well, there goes at least one more off my list.
Wait a moment... Dove or Storm are alive? No chance of both?
-Well, one is definitely not dead. The other could definitely not be dead as well. He wasn't talking about that one, though. ;)
-Well, one is definitely not dead. The other could definitely not be dead as well. He wasn't talking about that one, though. ;)
Are you sure that you aren't in politics? Or the legal profession?
Well I shall cross my fingers and hope that Ambara and Ethena both made it... even if I expect that only one did.
Are you sure that you aren't in politics? Or the legal profession?
-I was born a Jew, raised by a Catholic, wholly agnostic, and now studying eastern mysticism. I am a mystery within an enigma in a riddle.
-I was born a Jew, raised by a Catholic, wholly agnostic, and now studying eastern mysticism. I am a mystery within an enigma in a riddle.
Hee.
Iluvrien, in MY Realms all Seven Sisters are still alive.:D
-I was born a Jew, raised by a Catholic, wholly agnostic, and now studying eastern mysticism. I am a mystery within an enigma in a riddle.
No, I think confusing is probably a better adjective, LK. :D
Iluvrien, in MY Realms all Seven Sisters are still alive.:D
Well, if I had a Realms (one I was either running or playing as a game) then they would be in mine too.
I would proffer proper praise (aliteration, good on toast) for this act of heroism in saving the Seven... but LK has already threatened me with violence for doing that once ;).
So, Jolly Good Show.
Well, if I had a Realms (one I was either running or playing as a game) then they would be in mine too.
-Over at The Realms Vault, I began a PbP campaign that stalled, and never got off the ground. Were I to find more players, I'd run it.
I would proffer proper praise (aliteration, good on toast) for this act of heroism in saving the Seven... but LK has already threatened me with violence for doing that once ;).
-He can be taught!
Hee.
Iluvrien, in MY Realms all Seven Sisters are still alive.:D
Ditto!
Back on the (official) topic, how would we stat Elaith? Previous editions had him as a Teu'Tel'Quess Fighter/Mage. Would anyone else consider making him an Eladrin Swordmage?
And I don't see why Elaith would be dead. He's a crafty moon elf, that one, with much power in Waterdeep. If anything I'd think he would be MORE well off than before, after all time lays low many a foe.
And I wonder if his daugter ever takes up the moonblade?
Back on the (official) topic, how would we stat Elaith? Previous editions had him as a Teu'Tel'Quess Fighter/Mage. Would anyone else consider making him an Eladrin Swordmage?
-In 4e terms? I'd say he's a Wizard/Fighter, but I don't know how 4e multiclassing works, really. Fighter with Wizard multiclass feats, something like that.
The Simbul is living "covertly" in Shadowdale, and is no longer the ruler of Alglarond.
The Simbul lives covertly in the Dalelands, not necessarily Shadowdale.
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Well, if I had a Realms (one I was either running or playing as a game) then they would be in mine too.
You have a Realms in your mind.
I would proffer proper praise (aliteration, good on toast) for this act of heroism in saving the Seven... but LK has already threatened me with violence for doing that once ;).
So, Jolly Good Show.
Well, thanks anyway.:P
Ditto!
Back on the (official) topic, how would we stat Elaith? Previous editions had him as a Teu'Tel'Quess Fighter/Mage. Would anyone else consider making him an Eladrin Swordmage?
That could work. Although, maybe multiclass him with wizard, for good measure? He's used magic before that wasn't related to battle.
LK: Yes, you multiclass with feats. Basically, a character has one "main" class and they make take one (and only one) multiclass feat. From what I understand that represents sticking one's toe in a second class rather than truly "splitting one's interests"--you are always going to be more your original class than the second class.
Wow, this thread kinda took on a life all its own. That was an awesome excerpt from Ed, thanks for sharing that. And yes I am in agreement that Elaith is crafty enough to not only have survived but thrived in the preceding years, also I was wondering about his daughter taking up the moonblade too (i wonder how many of those are still around in 1479). To the poster who said hes in the Feywild or moved to Myth Drannor, for one it is possible for Moon Elves for 750 years (although that is the very extreme), and Elaith is nowhere near that old. Two, I highly doubt seeing Elaith move to Myth Drannor, I would think hes pretty much done living in elven settlements ever since he left Evermeet, no hes probably still in Waterdeep doing his thing the way he does. And for the love of god, dont ever call any Moon/Sun elf an Eladrin again, they are Moon elves and Sun elves not celestial beings ;) .
-Elaith would be a persona non grata, more or less, to most Elves, if they knew of some of the things he has done in his past, culminating in the desecration of Elven tombs when he first left Evermeet.
LK: Yes, you multiclass with feats. Basically, a character has one "main" class and they make take one (and only one) multiclass feat. From what I understand that represents sticking one's toe in a second class rather than truly "splitting one's interests"--you are always going to be more your original class than the second class.
-I knew it was something like that, but not having the rules, it confuses me slightly.
-I knew it was something like that, but not having the rules, it confuses me slightly.
Well, you could always look at my PHB again.;) Just ask and you shall receive.
Wow, this thread kinda took on a life all its own. That was an awesome excerpt from Ed, thanks for sharing that. And yes I am in agreement that Elaith is crafty enough to not only have survived but thrived in the preceding years, also I was wondering about his daughter taking up the moonblade too (i wonder how many of those are still around in 1479). To the poster who said hes in the Feywild or moved to Myth Drannor, for one it is possible for Moon Elves for 750 years (although that is the very extreme), and Elaith is nowhere near that old. Two, I highly doubt seeing Elaith move to Myth Drannor, I would think hes pretty much done living in elven settlements ever since he left Evermeet, no hes probably still in Waterdeep doing his thing the way he does. And for the love of god, dont ever call any Moon/Sun elf an Eladrin again, they are Moon elves and Sun elves not celestial beings ;) .
never called them that, only said wouldnt say it.
anyway, i dont think he would of stayed in waterdeep.
his daughter was in waterdeep and was a wizard. if the plague got her, broken hearted he would of left either for the feywild, silverymoon or myth drannor.
on the otherhand some gambling house was mentioned somewhere in waterdeep, what his his gambling house's name?
Well, you could always look at my PHB again.;) Just ask and you shall receive.
-I shall ask, then, and hope to receive.
anyway, i dont think he would of stayed in waterdeep.
his daughter was in waterdeep and was a wizard. if the plague got her, broken hearted he would of left either for the feywild, silverymoon or myth drannor.
-Like I said, Waterdeep is, more or less, his home. I see no reason for him to travel to an Elven realm. While he is Elven by birth, he is not Elven by deed.
Hmmmm... Elaith Craulnober, wasn't he turned into a Luskan Lobster during the spellplague?
-That's as likely as anything else.
In a related matter, I would like to see what became of Elaith's daughter and her Moonblade? Perhaps we could convince Elaine Cunningham to give us a small DDI article to give us some resolution.
-Why? So many people request such things, and I never understand why. Her blade might not exist anymore, anyway, with the Hopeblades and all.
-Why? So many people request such things, and I never understand why. Her blade might not exist anymore, anyway, with the Hopeblades and all.
Mostly just curiosity to see where the story went I suppose. She would be old enough now to be making an impact on the realms. It would be interesting to see how she feels about her father, provided she actually learns who he is.
As for the Hopeblades, my understanding from Blackstaff, was that the Moonblades used were the inert ones.
Mostly just curiosity to see where the story went I suppose. She would be old enough now to be making an impact on the realms. It would be interesting to see how she feels about her father, provided she actually learns who he is.
Azariah? She already knows Elaith is her father (there's a short story in the anthology by Elaine that has her as a character).
Mostly just curiosity to see where the story went I suppose. She would be old enough now to be making an impact on the realms.
-See, this is something I never envisioned. Just because she is a "novel character" with a serious "estate" to be given to her, I never gave it a second thought that she'd ever be a "mover or shaker", on the local level, in the grand scheme of things, nothing.