Tressyms

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#1

michaeljpastor

Dec 17, 2008 19:53:15
Ok, Tressyms seem to have never been standardized in 3.5 in terms of alignment and type. In the Campaign Setting, they're listed as Animals, but they're listed as an Improved Familiar (which wouldn't be necessary if it was merely an Animal) elsewhere.

This is important for my character because he'd like to take the feat that treats your Animal Companion and your Familiar as one and the same, but have only one feat available.

And are they CG or NG?
#2

BadCatMan

Dec 17, 2008 20:35:33
Tressyms were Chaotic Neutral back in the FRCS 2e, they became Chaotic Good in the FRCS 3e.

Are Tressyms statted out in another 3.x source?

Sandstorm includes the Tressym as a 1st-tier animal companion for Druids and Rangers, if that helps.
#3

michaeljpastor

Dec 17, 2008 20:44:04
Yes, that does help. Can't imagine that a Tressym would be low enough for a first animal companion if it required an Improved Familiar feat otherwise.
#4

angelus_obscura

Dec 18, 2008 0:37:49
IMAGE(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m115/xXMajereXx/celine_by_tierafoxglove.jpg)
#5

BadCatMan

Dec 18, 2008 3:08:28
Ah, an updated Tressym appears in Lost Empires Of Faerun. It gains a bit (well, Darkvision, Low-Light Vision), and becomes a Magical Beast.

A Ranger PC in one of my games recently gained a Tressym animal companion. These are some pics I found around the net:

IMAGE(http://images.elfwood.com/art/k/i/kirstiejw/tressym_forweb.jpg)

IMAGE(http://www.dlogs.net/monsters/MS_015.GIF)
(from the FRCS 2e)
#6

michaeljpastor

Dec 18, 2008 3:37:39
Well dark and low-light vision hardly seems the reason to upgrade it from animal, but thanks for the additional sources. I prefer the illustration in the Campaign Setting, a few pages after its entry. Less cutesy.
#7

angelus_obscura

Dec 18, 2008 11:23:02
I prefer the illustration in the Campaign Setting, a few pages after its entry. Less cutesy.

My post was to be snarky. I suppose I should have written the /snark into my post. :D
#8

markustay_dup

Dec 18, 2008 13:57:31
Monstrous Compendium Annual (2e) #1 listed THREE variations - lesser Winged Cat, Greater Winged cat, and Tressym.
#9

Fireclave

Dec 18, 2008 15:16:06
IMAGE(http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m115/xXMajereXx/celine_by_tierafoxglove.jpg)

AWWW, SO CUTE!!!! I just wanna take it home, make it my familiar and teach it how to immolate my enemies with fire
#10

TomCosta

Dec 18, 2008 15:35:04
Tressym were updated in the monster update web enhancement for the 3.5E Player's Guide and later moreso in Lost Empires. The reason to make them magical beasts, aside from the obvious of being cats with wings, was that they had essentially been magical beasts since their inception.

Winged cats originated, IIRC, in the Al-Qadim monstrous compendium. They were later merged with tressym in 2E's monstrous manual.

All the said, the most official version of them is the Lost Empires version because it is the last and supercedes (and was clearly intended to do so) the other versions. And that said, you can make them whatever you want.
#11

angelus_obscura

Dec 18, 2008 17:14:41
AWWW, SO CUTE!!!! I just wanna take it home, make it my familiar and teach it how to immolate my enemies with fire

I know, right? Don't you just wanna grab it, and love it, and squeeze it, and never ever let it go?!? All it needs is a bell tied to its tail for extra CUTENESS!

anyways ...



I'm gonna go watch ESPN now.
#12

Fireclave

Dec 18, 2008 18:12:57
I know, right? Don't you just wanna grab it, and love it, and squeeze it

...and call him George. No wait, that's rabbits. Nvm.
#13

BadCatMan

Dec 18, 2008 19:58:13
Well dark and low-light vision hardly seems the reason to upgrade it from animal, but thanks for the additional sources. I prefer the illustration in the Campaign Setting, a few pages after its entry. Less cutesy.

I missed that, thanks. "Rothe (the big animal); Tressym (the small one)" I never would guessed.

And these pics here are the fan-made kitten versions, not necessarily representative of the full-grown animal. :P
#14

lord_karsus

Dec 19, 2008 9:34:17
-Now I want one.
#15

markustay_dup

Dec 19, 2008 11:11:20
I want a desiccated one with batwings for my Mulhorandi Sorceror.
#16

18DELTA

Dec 19, 2008 14:20:17
-Speaking of Kitty-Babies. (Yes I am a nerd when it comes to Cats, so sue me ok.) When I was leaving last night for work a cute little black and white stray was walking down the street. I started to tall to it, it went in my back yard. This morning/today my Dog and Cat are freaking out because another Cat has adopted my backyard. He's so skinny I had to feed him! :D I guess I got claimed last night!


18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric, who loves Kitties!)
#17

Stigger

Dec 19, 2008 14:30:05
My image of you is just shattered... if you were a real Cyricist, you'd have eaten kittens by now, not taken them in and let them have the use of your backyard. Bah!

Though I will agree that the one from the 3e FRCS is the best drawing I've seen of them so far.
#18

18DELTA

Dec 19, 2008 16:34:39
- 3 guesses what I named him! :D


18DELTA (Chosen of......) :P
#19

lord_karsus

Dec 19, 2008 16:38:53
1: Dark
2: Empty
3: Dark & Empty
#20

18DELTA

Dec 19, 2008 16:41:48
- Try again. :P


18DELTA (Chosen of...........................................Cyric)
#21

lord_karsus

Dec 19, 2008 16:46:00
-Hey, it is a black cat, so it technically could be 'Dark'.

-Hmm...

1: Shar
2: Mask
3: Cale
#22

18DELTA

Dec 19, 2008 16:47:28
-No, no, and no. :P


18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric!) ;)
#23

Fireclave

Dec 19, 2008 16:50:04
1. Stray
2. Tressym
3. Fireclave
#24

18DELTA

Dec 19, 2008 16:55:31
-No, no, and no. ;)


18DELTA (Here is a hint, it starts with the Letter C) :D
#25

Fireclave

Dec 19, 2008 17:07:21
Cyric?
#26

angelus_obscura

Dec 19, 2008 19:40:11
(Here is a hint, it starts with the Letter C) :D

I got it! It's Cat. Yup, Cat the cat.

psst! ... 18DELTA, what say we go drink to our gods' brilliant plan to whack Mystra?

angelus_obscura (First Son of Mother Dark) ;)
#27

lord_karsus

Dec 19, 2008 19:51:33
I got it! It's Cat. Yup, Cat the cat.

-I know someone with a cat named Cat.

-To get a bit more on topic, in a game I am in, our characters met a flock...a herd...a pack...a wing of Tressym, and stopped a poacher from capturing them. We sent them on their way, but now I want one...
#28

BadCatMan

Dec 19, 2008 20:05:04
A flying cat would be even harder to catch and keep out of mischief, but at least it would stop jumping around and crashing into things. (One cat, one flying leap into my computer and knocking it over, one broken CD.)

Winged cats are actually a real thing, though it's always a serious medical condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winged_cat

IMAGE(http://www.foxnews.com/images/425879/0_21_082708_winged_cat.jpg)
#29

angelus_obscura

Dec 19, 2008 20:11:11
IMAGE(http://www.foxnews.com/images/425879/0_21_082708_winged_cat.jpg)

KITTY!!!!! IMAGE(http://www.smileyhut.com/happy/clap2.gif)

angelus_obscura (Chosen of Shar; keeper of my secret
Show
I loves me kitty.
#30

18DELTA

Dec 19, 2008 22:11:52
I got it! It's Cat. Yup, Cat the cat.

-Ding, ding, ding we have a winner folks! ;) Cat, the cat. :P


18DELTA (Chosen of Cat the Cat!) :D
#31

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Dec 22, 2008 20:53:01
-Now I want one.

I've always wanted one.

Delta, Congratulations on your new arrival.
#32

18DELTA

Dec 23, 2008 9:27:57
-Yeah "KID" is a hoot. :D My new Bestest friend! Thats what I named the cat, in honor of "KID" from "Crypt of the Moaning Diamond".


18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric)
#33

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Dec 23, 2008 12:54:34
Cute name.:D
#34

lord_karsus

Dec 23, 2008 15:29:14
-What's with all of the Kids/Kidds lately?
#35

18DELTA

Jan 12, 2009 2:23:55
-My 4 year old Nephew calls Kid, "Jo-jo". He said if "Jo-jo" ever bites me then he can have him.

-Little dude Kid gives me love nibbles on my toes daily. I will be trying to sleep and Kid will attack my feet. Playful scrawny thing. I am working on the scrawny part. Kid is starting to fill out because he eats so much! :D Its funny when Kid starts to chase the big fat Jabba the Hutt cat we got. I didnt realize how fat or pleasingly plump she is. My dog will get in my lap and bark at Kid. Scarey old dog. So Kid will chase him around. :D


18DELTA (Kid brings joy to my life)
#36

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Jan 12, 2009 11:57:26
That's really cute, thanks for the update.
#37

michaeljpastor

Jan 12, 2009 13:33:00
Ok all you cutesy kitten people, back to the subject at hand here. LOL

I've aways found the monster entries in 3E confusing, particularly when it comes to monster skills. Going with the latest printed edition in Lost Empires, the Skills line says: Balance +12, Climb +4, Hide +16 (+20 in tall grass or trees in leaf*), Listen +3, Move Silently +8, Spot +2

Then in the description, it states: Skills: A tressym receives a +8 racial bonus on Balance checks and a +4 racial bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks. It uses its Dexterity modifi er for Climb checks. *In areas of tall grass or trees in leaf, the tressym’s Hide bonus rises to +8.

Looking at Balance then, he has a +8 racial bonus and the total in the block says +12. Where does the extra 4 come from? Skill points spent ala a character?

There is a Move Silently +4 racial as well, and the block states +8, another difference of 4.

Hide is actually easier to understand but still unclear. the total in the block is +16/+20*. The racial bonus in the description is +4/+8*. The * stat is in tall grass or green trees. That's a different of 12.

So are all these base skill points "spent" by the monster type at its base hit dice as listed? And I presume I get to add skill points to these stats as class skills at full instead of half as it increases Hit Dice, as Animal Companions or Familiar Companions do.
#38

BadCatMan

Jan 12, 2009 17:54:08
Don't forget ability score bonuses and synergy bonuses (probably not relevent yet). There's also size bonuses to a lot of things.

Every monster with racial HD gets skill points due to those HD. Class skills are either mentioned in the entry, under the general type, or I think are whatever the monster spent its points in.

As a Magical Beast, the Tressym gets 2 skill points per die, times 4 for its first. It has Intelligence 12, +1. So it has (2 + 1)*4 = 12 skill points it can spend. It's Tiny, so it gets a +8 to Hide.

The skills bought seem to be: Balance 2, Climb 2, Hide 2, Move Silently 2. Total 8. EDIT: I miscounted earlier, it's correct now. But still a little short.

I can't explain the Listen 2 and Spot 1 though. Perhaps some points were spent cross-class.
#39

Therise

Jan 14, 2009 23:38:11
This kitty needs wings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0ffwDYo00Q

:D :D :D
#40

frostwolf

Jan 15, 2009 0:15:44
Meh. Not nearly as cute as an osquip.