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| #1frbrazilOct 28, 2008 11:41:36 | As far as I’m able to recall Cormanthyr history, the line of Irithyl Coronals came to an end when Aravae Irithyl died mysteriously, and since Cormanthyr was restored, the Coronal post is occupied by Ilsevele Miritar. Coronal Ilsevele Miritar is married to Fflar Starbrow Melruth, and again, as far as I know, they have no children, consequently, no heir apparent to the throne of Cormanthyr --and if they do have, this won't be a problem, see below. I’d like to discuss the possibility of a dissident branch of the Irithyl family have survived the roll of the years, without being noticed, which finally ascends to the Cormanthyr throne when Ilsevele pass on to Arvandor –or not, the succession decision is more about the Ruler’s Blade will than blood-line itself, so this branch may not become the ruler of Cormanthyr again. The point is, I’m assuming that somehow this extant branch will be needed to secure the re-establishment of the elven race in Cormanthor Forest, towards the next tubulent century, until current year (1479 DR). Is worth mentioning that the term “branch” refers to an individual ancestral elf, directly related to an Irithyl Coronal, whose unique surviving descendant (by the year of 1380 DR, aprox.) is a moon-elf or a half-moon-elf living in the Western Hearthlands or Silver Marches, or near the High Forest. I’d like to find a genealogical instance suitable for this case. I’ve been thinking about Coronal Miisphyr Irithyl as possible “parental” name, but I can’t find information concerning his history; all I know is his role in the Dlardrageth House “problem”. I wouldn’t like to change the past history more than I’m already changing, you know –if is said that by 146 DR the only living Irithyl are Aravae and Eltargrim, then my “branch” needs to have been forgotten before 146 DR. I need help. What do you think? |
| #218DELTAOct 28, 2008 15:32:17 | -They were in the "Feywild". ;) 18DELTA ![]() |
| #3StiggerOct 28, 2008 15:32:55 | Do it anyway, previous lore be damned... say it was just a child that was never recognized by the Irithyl line, but which still held their blood anyway. There's not a great deal of stigma attached to being a bastard in elven society, given that they rarely marry in the first place, at least not formally, and are more than happy with consort status for a few centuries. Maybe it was a child from a politically unacceptable tryst or something... could be a lot of reasons for an unacknowledged heir to exist that would keep prior lore intact. Just interpret it as the only living Irithyl heirs commonly known and you're fine... could be interesting if even they don't know about it until grandmother tells them as she prepares to pass on to Arvandor, and maybe gives them something to prove it... a letter or something no one knew about except grandma. Tons of ways to do it really without stepping on canon if that's a concern. |
| #4lord_karsusOct 28, 2008 18:15:38 | -The physical bloodline can most certainly survive. An Elf who was of the Irithyl line, who married into, and became part of another Elven House, would be carrying the Irithyl bloodline within him/her, and would pass it on to his/her children. Likewise, if a member of the Irithyl family did something of note, he/she could have theoretically started his/her own House. In such a case, the patron/matron would carry the Irithyl bloodline, and would pass said blood down the generations. -The main problem would be the blood thinning as it passed from generation to generation. |
| #5rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 28, 2008 18:59:14 | I agree with the others--this is a fine (and plausible) idea and I think you should run with it.![]() |
| #6frbrazilOct 29, 2008 22:32:53 | Thank you for your answers. I really appreciate your messages. I’ve been thinking about it, and, well, the following ideas are what I could come up with. Cormanthyr – Empire of the Elves [pg. 83] supplement mentions Coronal Miirphys Irithyl as responsible, along with other High Magi, for freeing Cormanthyr from the influence of Dlardrageth House. I thought this could be a good point to start the history of my “extant Irithyl branch”. There’re no reasons to believe that the Dlardrageth House of Cormanthyr had any other direct relation to Countess Sarya or Dlardrageth House of Hellgate Keep (formerly Ascalhorn) than the obvious, that is, both branches are descendants of the same Dlardrageth sun elves that once inhabited Arcorar. This must be stated because the Dlardrageth House (Hellgate Keep branch) role in Faerûn was very well developed, already fully covered –and I don’t feel like attaching my history to this plot would be good. Also, save if it gets a mention in the novels WotC published within the USA, there’re no references to any plot involving the Dlardrageth House of Cormanthyr in the books I could refer to when writing this “history” (Cormanthyr, Lost Empires of Faerûn, The Grand History of the Realms –Candlekeep and WotC publications, though they’re basically the same –, Lord of Darkness, the Campaign Setting and Silver Marches). Here we go. Although Tannivh Irithyl succeeded Miirphys as Cormanthyr’s fifth Coronal, reigning was also up to another Irithyl member; that was Miirphys’ son –and from this arises the first issue to be solved. Had Miirphys had sons or daughters? I’m assuming Tannivh was deeply related to Irithyl blood line, but not enough to be considered Miirphys’ son. Continuing; Miirphys’ son, whose name is actually unimportant (do you know a good one?), was born during the Forth Rysar, shortly after his father and the High Magi imprisoned the Trio Nefarious, in -1198 DR. He could be older and born during the third Rysar, but I need him to be a little immature. This Irithyl individual grow and soon saw himself trapped in a terrible plot articulated by the Dlardrageth of Cormanthyr, in order to reach the royal line and install themselves as ruling House over Cormanthyr. Obviously they knew what to do with Ruler’s Blade, which is not canon to me, since I can’t think of a good explanation for this point –second problem here. The thing is, by the year of -850 DR, Miirphys’ son was seduced by one of the Dlardrageth’s most beautiful member (a half-fiend or minor tiefling), and from this union a male tiefling moon-elf was born in approximately -820 DR. Fortunately, by the time the Miirphys’ grandson was born, Dlardrageth House and relates were already been watched closely by Cormanthyr forces, because their involvement in many of the tragic events during last centuries was uncovered. Before the end of that century (-800 DR), the Dlardrageth Keep was put down by the Coronal and allied forces (see note below). But Miirphys’ son wasn’t only seduced; somehow he had helped Dlardrageth House to achieve some other minor goals. And even though he had been deceived, Miirphys’ son cried the death of that half-fiend, without knowing really why. Soon he succumbed to the fear of his future as Coronal –he knew what happen to those who try to command without the Blade’s approbation. Basically he thought the blade wouldn’t accept him, first because he collaborated (innocently) against Cormanthyr and secondly because he spared a demon –his son, Miirphys’ grandson. Then he told his father (Miirphys) about his deepest wish to renounce his destiny as fifth Coronal, and in fact explained his reasons (the paragraph above). Coronal Miirphys agreed bitterly, and he left Cormanthor with his son. Miirphys’ son and grandson were last seen living close to the forest today we know as King’s Forest, in Cormyr. Their whereabouts was lost with the roll of the years. Since the genealogy of the Irithyl never mentioned a demon-born relative, Miirphys’s son is believed to have died fighting the Dlardrageth House –but this is what mentions the lore, and because a very few have survived (I can think about only one individual living able to tell this history), this is the accepted. It was so widely accepted, that when Aravae was born everyone believed she and Eltargrim were the last Irithyl. However, somewhere in Cormyr or adjacent areas another Irithyl was living (obviously a descendant of Miirphys’ grandson, and not the tiefling moon-elf himself). The only capable to tell the truth about this is Srinshee –who was first seen during the Forth Rysar and comes back, after a long time in Arvandor, recently, to crown the seventh Coronal, Isvele Miritar. In my plans, Miirphys’ grandson will be raised carefully, and in two or three generations, as the blood thins, the evil also will disappear –no more roles for Dlardrageths in Faerûn [LOL]; I simply couldn’t think of a better situation to suit a dissident member, whose destiny and whereabouts was completely forgotten. Tell me what you think. Feel free to correct misspells and, specially, the errors retrieving information about the past of Cormanthyr, confusions and other problems you notice. Thanks in advance. NOTE: Cormanthyr doesn't states exactly when the Dlardrageth House of Cormanthyr, along with their Keep, were "pacified". Under the "Dlardrageth Keep" description, in page 83, this can be found: ...apparently, the House Dlardrageth consorted with incubi and succubi and other lower planar creatures to breed a stronger race and increase their own power. This tactic, unheard of since the atrocities that led to the Descent of the Drow, drove the Coronal Miirphys and the High Mages of Cormanthyr to bind the entire clan of corrupt elves and their evil allies (and consorts) within their ancestral villa more than 3,500 years ago. Given the fact that the same book states 650 DR as present time, "3,500 year ago" would take us back to -2850 DR, that is the Second Rysar, when Sakrattars Irithyl was Coronal, and not Miirphys. Either the Coronal name is wrong, or calculator failed helping us. That's it. I'm assuming the Coronal's name is perfectly correct. ^^ |
| #7frbrazilOct 29, 2008 22:46:59 | -The main problem would be the blood thinning as it passed from generation to generation. This is my next task, I’ll think about a manner to minimize the magnitude of blood thinning with the time. I agree with the others--this is a fine (and plausible) idea and I think you should run with it. Thank you. I'll be running something with this background soon (my players will be introduced to a new campaign this saturday, or late in sunday), and fortunately one of my players requires all kind of information, from the basics to the virtually unknown --he's the motivation for such attempt to reconstruct the past of this supposed-Irithyl-heir. After all, reading and digging the Realms history is something of singular fun. Do it anyway, previous lore be damned... So be it! LOL -They were in the "Feywild". ;) o0' |
| #8lord_karsusOct 29, 2008 22:48:16 | This is my next task, I’ll think about a manner to minimize the magnitude of blood thinning with the time. -Where magic is involved, where there's a will, there's a way. |
| #9frbrazilOct 29, 2008 23:01:33 | Exactly, well said. And if the royal blood line couldn't be spared, there're the baelnorns. But still, it would take at least five long generations to reach 1780 DR, from -820 DR. A huge problem. |
| #10lord_karsusOct 29, 2008 23:14:19 | -Perhaps, an individual is put in stasis, guarded by Baelnorn, as divinations looking into the future tell of dire plots to completely eradicate the Irithyl bloodline? |
| #11frbrazilOct 29, 2008 23:32:47 | A simple baelnorn, or maybe Srinshee herself, THE baelnorn. When she perceived that the dispute amongst Noble Houses would eventually weaken the stability of Cormanthyr irreversibly, culminating a few years later with Myth Dannor’s destruction (I’m for Srishee as one of the few who knew what was yet to come), she took the sword, found the last one of the Irithyls and fled to Arvandor. LK, I’m about to kick Isvele Miritar off the map LOL |
| #12lord_karsusOct 29, 2008 23:33:32 | LK, I’m about to kick Isvele Miritar off the map LOL -Meh, good riddance. I never liked her. |
| #13frbrazilOct 29, 2008 23:38:23 | At least Isvele is a great name. I don’t know how it is rigorously pronounced in English, but in Portuguese it sounds good. |
| #14ZireaelOct 30, 2008 13:42:12 | It's Ilsevele. The story is great. Keep the marriages to elves or half-elves and the pure bloodline would survive up till anytime you want. |
| #15rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 30, 2008 20:34:26 | Thank you. I'll be running something with this background soon (my players will be introduced to a new campaign this saturday, or late in sunday), and fortunately one of my players requires all kind of information, from the basics to the virtually unknown --he's the motivation for such attempt to reconstruct the past of this supposed-Irithyl-heir. After all, reading and digging the Realms history is something of singular fun. You're welcome. I read the background, and I think it would work just fine. There seems to be very little detail about the Irithyls to begin with, so there is plenty of room to make up your own details.And I have to say, I'm not fond of Ilsevele Miritar myself--good on you if you kick her out. ;) |
| #16frbrazilOct 31, 2008 12:23:29 | It's Ilsevele. Exatcly, you're right. My bad. Ilsevele Miritar --still a great name. Thanks for the heads-up; I would keep spelling it incorrectly. The story is great. Keep the marriages to elves or half-elves and the pure bloodline would survive up till anytime you want. Good idea! :D You're welcome. I'll come back later, next week or so, to tell what happened. Thank you. |
| #17ZireaelOct 31, 2008 13:03:29 | Another idea: the date given in Cormanthyr is perfectly correct. The future Coronal Miisphyr was well alive (or at least could have) by -2850 DR, in Second Rysar. Using his later title is merely an anachronism. And you can keep Tannivh as his son. The unknown one could be older or younger, it doesn't matter, for because he renounced his role as a Coronal, Tannivh succeeded. And if you don't want to change the dates with M's son and the Dlardrageth, you can just say this particular one has somehow escaped imprisonment within the Keep (hunting or something). |
| #18rinonalyrna_fathomlinOct 31, 2008 13:24:55 | I'll come back later, next week or so, to tell what happened. Thank you. You're welcome. I look forward to hearing about what happens. |