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#1 Mr_Miscellany Sep 06, 2011 16:57:18	What could cause an entire noble family from Waterdeep to abruptly leave the city and set up shop in another city? I'm working on expanding a rumor for the Current Clack: Neverwinter Edition thread and could use some help generating ideas for this topic.
#2 sfdragon Sep 06, 2011 17:12:36	reputation buisness ventures loss of fortunes divine visions
#3 Mr_Miscellany Sep 06, 2011 18:48:18	@SFDragon: Brilliant! I hadn't even thought of divine visions/divine intervention of some kind. @Everyone: OK, here's a list of general reasons I have so far: Threat of natural disaster facing the city. Too much competition. Threat against the noble family From other nobles. From the Masked Lords and/or Magistrates. Magical curse. Offer of rulership somewhere else. To avoid punishment for crimes or presumed crimes. The possibility of acquiring great wealth, but that would require the entire family’s efforts to obtain. War between nobles (covert or overt). Ploy of a dragon (or worse) False offer of riches or power Ploy of someone seeking revenge on the family An elderly elf seeks revenge on the family by first displacing them, then humiliating them, then destroying them for some past action against the elf, or against the elf’s kin or homeland. Attrition of family members. Divine visions. Brilliant! (sfdragon). A combination of the above. Of these, which are the most likely to drive several families out of the city at once? Also, are there any other reasons you can think of that I haven't listed?
#4 sfdragon Sep 06, 2011 19:03:29	there is also: reclaim former holdings in the city.... kind of wonder though. the floating tower is part of the halls of selune( er something or other) temple from ancient netheril.... wonder what would happen if some selunite would have taken the eye of selune there and perform the ritual ... if that would bring selunarra back from the gates of the moon...... but that would fall under divine vision would it not
#5 eriksdb Sep 06, 2011 19:58:22	If an entire noble family were to pick up and leave Waterdeep for Neverwinter, the excuse would have to be something big. Like exile from Waterdeep, or bankruptcy in Waterdeep, or MAJOR scandal in Waterdeep, or LOTS of land to reclaim in Neverwinter. I could Neverember inviting along a noble family to share in the business opportunities in Neverwinter--particularly if he gets a cut of their profits. I suggest serious scandal. And if you want a scandal-monger, I have just the antlered fey'ri warlock to offer for the job. Her rates aren't cheap, but she gets the job done. Cheers
#6 sfdragon Sep 06, 2011 20:38:19	the one from downshadow??  yeah she'd do it... right up until it no longer suited her.. Selune's moons though, gossip could do the job and its free or atleast cheaper than her rates I'm sure
#7 eriksdb Sep 07, 2011 10:17:45	the one from downshadow??  yeah she'd do it... right up until it no longer suited her.. Selune's moons though, gossip could do the job and its free or atleast cheaper than her rates I'm sure     That's the one--Fayne, the Trickster of Waterdeep. Sure, gossip will do the trick, but spreading the word appropriately and with the effect that you want takes an experienced hand. And for that you'll want a professional. Fortunately for you, Fayne offers a discount if the task is particularly . . . delicious. Cheers
#8 sfdragon Sep 07, 2011 17:38:50	now only if we had a writeup for the trickster of waterdeep..... and a 4e racial of the feyri... sounds like a DDI article. hahahahaha said it before you Erik. funny, it doesnt sound funyy when I do it
#9 Mr_Miscellany Sep 10, 2011 23:49:53	Hello Erik, I've yet to read Downshadow (I'm currently reading Blackstaff Tower), but Fayne sounds interesting and perhaps useful. Another reason I figured a noble family to leave the city is if they were the cause (or believed to be the cause) of a city-wide calamity, such as a plague.
#10 crzyhawk Sep 11, 2011 14:26:05	Debt and opportunity could be a powerful motivator.  If an old, and at one time powerful family found itself on hard times, liquidating their Waterdhavian assets and packing up for the savage north might be an attractive option.  Their coin would likely go farther as people would be more desperate, and land and power could be there for the taking.  Laws are less of an issue.  It would be the equivalent of people "headed west" in the US frontier days.  Neverwinter is the wild west of Faerun, and the "cattle barons" will have longswords and fireballs instead of six guns and Winchesters.
#11 Mr_Miscellany Sep 11, 2011 21:56:48	Their coin would likely go farther as people would be more desperate, and land and power could be there for the taking.  Laws are less of an issue.  It would be the equivalent of people "headed west" in the US frontier days.  Neverwinter is the wild west of Faerun, and the "cattle barons" will have longswords and fireballs instead of six guns and Winchesters. That's an awesome way to put it! I wonder if such a family would be brave enough to settle on open lands instead of moving into Neverwinter proper? Might depend on whether there's an empty castle or hold somewhere waiting for them to occupy...
#12 sfdragon Sep 11, 2011 23:17:57	Neverwinter is more like the Phlan of 4e than much anything else. building walls outside the city prosper to enclose new houses and farms would not be to hard
#13 Mr_Miscellany Sep 12, 2011 10:49:43	Neverwinter is more like the Phlan of 4e than much anything else. building walls outside the city prosper to enclose new houses and farms would not be to hard  Brilliant! I could see nobles looking to expand away from the section dominated by the Chasm (i.e. on the other side of the river) and perhaps hiring expatriate dwarves from the North or dwarves unhappy with their life in Waterdeep. You guys rock!