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#1 paulstrait May 29, 2009 0:36:37	Does anyone know how Eldath died? She used to be the goddess of quiet places, springs, pools stillness, peace, waterfalls, and druid groves. Since she isn't in the 4e FRCG, I assume she died, but I can't find a reference explaining how it happened.
#2 gomeztoo May 29, 2009 1:47:48	I prefer to think of her as low-key rather than dead. Eldath could very well be an arch-fey originally (a nymph), who after the spellplague became an exarch who is not powerful enough to keep a clergy. she migth reside in the feywild, and only occasionally appear on Toril, perhaps to aid good-aligned travelers who visit certain ponds, but not otherwise interfering much. Remember rhat just because something isn't mentioned doesn't mean it doens't exist. Gomez
#3 iakhovas May 29, 2009 9:13:44	I agree with Gomez
#4 JudgeDookie May 29, 2009 9:17:44	Yeah, yeah. None of our favorite gods died. Nobody got booty stomped, french fried or butt pickled. Wizards is just like Burger King: Have it your way.
#5 markustay63 May 29, 2009 9:26:18	Should we then expect a visit from Kingons? :P Eldath probably went to the Elemental Plane of Roman Baths... Formerly known as San Francisco...
#6 Stigger May 29, 2009 10:37:45	What in the nine hells is a "Kingon"? :P
#7 markustay63 May 29, 2009 10:46:58	You just had to ask...
#8 lord_karsus May 29, 2009 11:01:36	Does anyone know how Eldath died? She used to be the goddess of quiet places, springs, pools stillness, peace, waterfalls, and druid groves. Since she isn't in the 4e FRCG, I assume she died, but I can't find a reference explaining how it happened. -According to Rich Baker, deities who do not appear in the FRCG, there's a reason they aren't listed in the FRCG. Eldath, for whatever reason, may have left Realmspace, taking her clergy with her. Perhaps she was killed, and her church toppled into disarray without it's leader. Ultimatley, she isn't around, but the book doesn't provide us with a reason why. Remember rhat just because something isn't mentioned doesn't mean it doens't exist. -Except on the matter of deities, where Rich Baker has specifically mentioned that if a deity isn't listed, there's a reason for them not being around any longer, and not just an editing oversight.
#9 markustay63 May 29, 2009 11:07:34	Until such a time when an in-house author needs said deity for something, in which case they will make a miraculous re-emergence. There is NO canon... merely... suggestions... On a related note, 'Eldath' would make a very cool name for a plumbing-fixture company. And fitting.
#10 lord_karsus May 29, 2009 11:09:04	Until such a time when an in-house author needs said deity for something, in which case they will make a miraculous re-emergence. -That's where "leaving" comes into play. Theoretically, she left, she took her church with her, the found some new place to live, she didn't like it there, and moves back to the old neighborhood. Deific resurrection works too, but that's just plain old boring, and played out in the setting.
#11 iakhovas May 29, 2009 12:30:48	The list of FR gods is mostly set, but that doesn't preclude beings that used to be perceived as dieties as being "something else" in the 4E cosmos. :P
#12 Iluvrien May 29, 2009 13:06:20	...especially if they are not overly powerful, or can be easily described as an antagonist, or can be used as the inspiration for a character to start out on the paths to Great and Mighty Deeds. Personally, I believe the reason that Eldath was retired was the "Ave Maria" problem referred to in one of the preview books: "How can we make Good monsters/characters/deities interesting?".
#13 Stigger May 29, 2009 19:53:45	You just had to ask... Oh gods above and below help me...
#14 redglacier May 30, 2009 14:38:29	She's not dead in my homebrew!: Eldath Neutral Good(4E:'Good') Intermediate Goddess Portfolios: Peace, pacifism, nonviolence, diplomacy, quiet places, stillness, freshwater(springs, pools, oases, waterfalls, lakes, rivers, fountains, wells...) The Faerunian pantheon absorbed/killed the other human pantheons of Toril in the years immediately following the Spellplague's end, so she has a presence in Zakhara, where her church is very popular(hence her rise in power).
#15 gomeztoo May 30, 2009 15:37:26	-According to Rich Baker, deities who do not appear in the FRCG, there's a reason they aren't listed in the FRCG. But the reason need not be 'she's dead'. It could simply be 'she is not powerful enough to enpower a church'. I liked Eldath, but I can see how a combat-oriented system has no real place for PCs that worship a deity that tells them not to fight... Gomez
#16 nightseer May 30, 2009 15:57:43	You just had to ask... Sweet, sweet Lady Shar that had to be the funniest thing I have seen in quite awhile. So... Stigger when will you don a Kingon suit and give Dookie the Kingon Nipple Pinch? :P
#17 lord_karsus May 30, 2009 17:12:50	Portfolios: Peace, pacifism, nonviolence, diplomacy, quiet places, stillness, freshwater(springs, pools, oases, waterfalls, lakes, rivers, fountains, wells...) ...she has a presence in Zakhara, where her church is very popular(hence her rise in power). -That would be a good place for her. But the reason need not be 'she's dead'. It could simply be 'she is not powerful enough to enpower a church'. -Which is why I specifically said that when deities are not listed, there are reasons for them not being included, which may include: Eldath, for whatever reason, may have left Realmspace, taking her clergy with her. Perhaps she was killed, and her church toppled into disarray without it's leader. Ultimatley, she isn't around, but the book doesn't provide us with a reason why.
#18 markustay63 May 31, 2009 7:26:58	She is currently living in Kara-Tur, on the Guge-Shou border, inhabiting the Yellow Thunder Falls. Where she is known as "the Goddess of the Golden Flow". :D
#19 nightseer May 31, 2009 8:12:35	How the mighty have fallen. So she is the Goddess of Golden Showers? :embarrass
#20 markustay63 May 31, 2009 14:15:13	PRECISELY, Robin! She's also added economics into her portfolio - she's a big fan of Reaganomics and it's 'trickle-down' effect. :D
#21 rauric May 31, 2009 21:23:04	To the OP. Don't assume she died. Like Gome and Brian said you can probably still have her in your take on the Realms but there is just no mention of her. Maybe there are so few of her followers left that her faith just does not get any "press" anymore. Just like any RPG concept if you like her and the DM allows it use her faith. Just have fun.
#22 nightseer May 31, 2009 21:45:21	PRECISELY, Robin! She's also added economics into her portfolio - she's a big fan of Reaganomics and it's 'trickle-down' effect. :D So Waukeen ate Eldath then?
#23 Stigger May 31, 2009 22:55:08	No, Waukeen likes economic policies that actually work, as opposed to ones we've known haven't worked since Victoriana, yet which refuse to just curl up and die as they should...
#24 sier_labeguileuse_dup May 31, 2009 23:35:03	Actually, Eldath just moved to San Francisco. She opened a spa.
#25 Kno Jun 01, 2009 10:44:47	that's a possibility, she first escaped to Yellowstone through the Elminster's portal
#26 markustay63 Jun 01, 2009 11:26:14	And the Spa doubles as a Temple to Our Lady of the Golden Flow. Its healing waters are said to relieve the pain and anguish of Purple Nerpals.
#27 Stigger Jun 01, 2009 14:29:29	Just ewww...
#28 nightseer Jun 01, 2009 15:34:20	The "Kingon Nipple Pinch"? :P
#29 lord_karsus Jun 01, 2009 17:37:10	-Back to Eldath, please. No more talk of golden showers, or purple nurples.
#30 nightseer Jun 01, 2009 22:37:22	...yes back to Eldath. Say, she did have pretty eyes. ;) :D
#31 Stigger Jun 01, 2009 23:36:02	She had eyes? Sorry, never got above her neck in that dress she was in... :D
#32 gomeztoo Jun 08, 2009 6:31:48	Yeah, yeah. None of our favorite gods died. And now we know that, no, she didn't ;) Gomez
#33 Iluvrien Jun 08, 2009 11:45:23	Excellent, I look forward to forthcoming articles about her clergy, church, their beliefs and doings in the 1400s.