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#1 Elemental_Elf Dec 03, 2008 18:27:29	I'm not an uber FR fan but I have enjoyed the setting in the past (love the Dalelands). At any rate, I was flipping through the latest FRCS and noticed the Mulhorandi Pantheon disappeared! Did I just miss it or did something bad happen to my man Horus-Re?
#2 erevis_cale_dup Dec 03, 2008 20:36:58	Dark and Empty, they packed up and left.
#3 RUMPLESTIX Dec 03, 2008 21:07:34	The Spell Plague tore Mulhorrand to shreds. After that, the pantheon packed it up and left. I think it is in the FRCG. Actually p. 138 says Mulhorrand's gods departed.
#4 lord_karsus Dec 03, 2008 21:09:31	-Mulhorand (and Unther) were "removed". What is likely is that they've been "teleported" to "Abeir". Because the Mulhorandi went, their deities followed. -That said, it defied comprehension that every single Mulhorandi individual on the face of the planet disappeared. As such, as long as there is one being who worships a member of the Mulhorandi pantheon- Horus-Re, in this case- their "divine window" is still open, and they still have an area of influence. Albeit, it would be a single worshiper, but...
#5 unfamiliar Dec 03, 2008 21:46:11	The History DC 15 result for High Imaskar Lore states that the Mulhorandi gods departed after the Spellplague & that Mulhorand (what was left of it, that is) was "completely barren of civilization." That much we do know. What comes next is just my best guess, but with the empire of Mulhorand pretty much wiped off the map by the Spellplague & most of its surviving citizens dispersed as refugees throughout the rest of Faerun, it makes sense that the Mulhorandi deities simply departed on their own to greener pastures. Considering the fact that they were always interlopers on Faerun as far as gods go (having come from the same world where the Imaskari human slaves were abducted from), they didn't have much reason to stick around after the Spellplague. With hardly any worshipers left on Faerun & an Imaskari ban on worship of the Mulhorandi pantheon, I'm guessing the deities simply returned to their original world, where one can assume there were far greater numbers of people still around to worship them.
#6 Shemeska_the_Marauder Dec 03, 2008 23:08:06	Presumably the 4e design team didn't like them, and like many -many- things in FR, they gutted them out entirely and replaced them with things hitherto without presence in FR, like anything new in the core PoL world, or pet ideas like the Aboleth sovereignty.
#7 lord_karsus Dec 04, 2008 0:04:53	-Hey, I will say, let's not diss on Xxiphu. It's one thing (THE one thing?) I like.
#8 Elemental_Elf Dec 04, 2008 0:10:43	This is really sad news! Mulhorand was one of the biggest draws for me when I first started playing D&D. I loved the entire country, I'm really sad to see it disappear... Still I love the idea of being one of the few remaining Mulhorandi Clerics running around in the world... It has a really cool feel to it Well thank you all for replying so quickly, though I wish you were all bearers of better news
#9 lord_karsus Dec 04, 2008 0:14:20	Well thank you all for replying so quickly, though I wish you were all bearers of better news -Here's some good news: Real estate has become much more available.
#10 Stigger Dec 04, 2008 0:20:13	Except for that whole Dragonborn infestation thing...
#11 lord_karsus Dec 04, 2008 0:31:44	Except for that whole Dragonborn infestation thing... -There are sprays and aerosols to deal with that.
#12 markustay_dup Dec 04, 2008 0:39:08	So does that mean they came back HERE? And if so, can I start worshipping them? I've always been a Baast man....
#13 lord_karsus Dec 04, 2008 0:52:43	So does that mean they came back HERE? And if so, can I start worshipping them? I've always been a Baast man.... -Someone was granting those Egyptian magicians from the Book of Exodus their powers, and the Magi from the east...
#14 yakman Dec 04, 2008 6:57:06	This is really sad news! Mulhorand was one of the biggest draws for me when I first started playing D&D. I loved the entire country, I'm really sad to see it disappear... Still I love the idea of being one of the few remaining Mulhorandi Clerics running around in the world... It has a really cool feel to it Well thank you all for replying so quickly, though I wish you were all bearers of better news well... the whole country isn't quite gone. iirc, there's a city in the Imaskari Empire that is still Mulan (read: last remnant on Faerun of Mulhorond). The Imaskari are in charge, but the local Mulan aren't really happy about the situation....
#15 Scrinoverlord Dec 04, 2008 7:00:17	Except for that whole Dragonborn infestation thing... Oh, you wanna diss the dragonborn, eh? No; we need to kill all the Drow first. Drizzt among them. EXECUTE ORDER 66. Realize, topic starter, it's your world. So maybe the Spellplague left Unther and Mulhorand alone, and High Imaskar/Tymanther exists elsewhere? I see absolutely nothing wrong with twisting Realms lore to your liking/taste. Just about 2/4 of the Realms community thinks the Realms have been "destroyed" and "obliterated", and while I heartily disagree, this isn't the topic to discuss that. THUS, like I said...just modify it to your taste.
#16 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Dec 04, 2008 9:56:05	-Hey, I will say, let's not diss on Xxiphu. Can I do it? Only, I'd replace "d" with another letter.
#17 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Dec 04, 2008 9:58:00	-Someone was granting those Egyptian magicians from the Book of Exodus their powers, and the Magi from the east... I agree, those deities can help wizards in the real world!
#18 lord_karsus Dec 04, 2008 11:37:51	Can I do it? Only, I'd replace "d" with another letter. -'Kiss'? You'd kiss Xxiphu? Eww...I don't know if I want to kiss you anymore. Eww! Gross! Aboleth slime! :P I agree, those deities can help wizards in the real world! -And then, of course, there's all their tales of magic using in actual Egyptian sources. Pyramid hieroglyphics, the Book of the Dead, and so on.
#19 erevis_cale_dup Dec 04, 2008 15:36:27	Dark and Empty,
#20 sfdragon Dec 04, 2008 16:30:11	sharess aka Bast is still in the realms, but thats it
#21 markustay_dup Dec 04, 2008 16:42:51	I think I saw Amun-Ra on the unemploymet line yesterday. :P Dark and Empty, You are starting to make me HATE Paul Kemp's novels now. Just stop, before you turn him into another Drizzt.
#22 uzzy Dec 04, 2008 16:51:57	Clearly, all the Mulhorandi went through a Stargate to escape.
#23 bonzai Dec 04, 2008 17:19:03	Is Set gone too? Having taken over the World Serpents portfolio, he should still have all the Yaunti and various serpent folk as petitioners... Or did they do away with the world serpent too?
#24 erevis_cale_dup Dec 04, 2008 17:35:58	Clearly, all the Mulhorandi went through a Stargate to escape. Show Dark and Empty
#25 lord_karsus Dec 04, 2008 23:33:50	I think I saw Amun-Ra on the unemploymet line yesterday. :P -Imagine, a divine unemployment line... You are starting to make me HATE Paul Kemp's novels now. Just stop, before you turn him into another Drizzt. -Agreed.
#26 sfdragon Dec 05, 2008 3:45:04	Is Set gone too? Having taken over the World Serpents portfolio, he should still have all the Yaunti and various serpent folk as petitioners... Or did they do away with the world serpent too? Set is gone. Sseth rules the yaun-ti, and the world serpent separated and Zehir wants it all
#27 lord_karsus Dec 05, 2008 10:14:17	-Zehir still never got a proper explanation into the setting, did s/he?
#28 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Dec 05, 2008 10:43:45	-'Kiss'? You'd kiss Xxiphu? Eww...I don't know if I want to kiss you anymore. Eww! Gross! Aboleth slime! :P It may be hard to believe, but I was thinking of a cruder word than that.;) -Imagine, a divine unemployment line... I believe it!
#29 lord_karsus Dec 05, 2008 10:56:58	It may be hard to believe, but I was thinking of a cruder word than that.;) -I know, I know (though kiss was the very first thing I saw). -And, FYI, even Aboleth slime would not stop me from kissing you.
#30 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Dec 05, 2008 11:00:05	-I know, I know (though kiss was the very first thing I saw). -And, FYI, even Aboleth slime would not stop me from kissing you. I didn't think so!:D
#31 markustay_dup Dec 05, 2008 11:40:10	Get a room. :P
#32 Stigger Dec 05, 2008 12:59:50	Ah, jealousy rears its ugly head... Guess you're gonna have to find someone to replace LK one of these days Markus. :P :D
#33 markustay_dup Dec 05, 2008 13:09:29	Jealous? Since my divorce, I HATE women. And no... I'm not playing for the other team these days...
#34 todesherr Dec 05, 2008 13:12:22	Talos Killed Them.:D
#35 todesherr Dec 05, 2008 13:13:12	Jealous? Since my divorce, I HATE women. And no... I'm not playing for the other team these days... Me too.
#36 elsenrail Dec 05, 2008 17:01:57	I didn't think so!:D You and LK are my like the the spirits of this forum... just like some treants are for the woods. ;P Without you, it would never be the same.
#37 erevis_cale_dup Dec 05, 2008 18:24:26	Get a room. :P QFT. :P
#38 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Dec 05, 2008 19:55:10	You and LK are my like the the spirits of this forum... just like some treants are for the woods. ;P Without you, it would never be the same. That was sweet, thanks.
#39 lord_karsus Dec 05, 2008 20:44:42	-I am the Treant of the Forgotten Realms forums. -To be useful in making a post, I'll just say, I've always ignored a lot of the Mulhorandi pantheon, per se, and substituted information with the Egyptian Pantheon, from On Hallowed Ground.
#40 gray_richardson Dec 05, 2008 22:53:04	-Zehir still never got a proper explanation into the setting, did s/he? I think I read one of the designers somewhere mention Zehir was an interloper deity. So, I presume he entered into Faerûn from another world sometime after the Spellplague. But what his story is, we haven't been told any more than that. Like you I am curious to know. Perhaps he was traded from another pantheon in exchange for Mask. ;) I noticed he has the portfolio of poison now. And Talona doesn't. That has got to tick her off something fierce. No doubt she will hold bitter resentment against Zehir until she manages to reclaim her lost portfolio. I can see holy wars and bitter conflict between their clergies. I predict lots of plagues wherever Zehir's faithful are populous. I see prominent Talonite priests and church supporters dying from food poisoning, snake bites, insect stings, targeted assassinations, or just plane mysteriously for no obvious reason. It may escalate into an epic plague-off on the scale of Asram in -33 DR when Talona took out Kiputytto in order to claim sole dominion over the portfolio of disease. Of course, if Talona were powerful enough to take on Zehir, she wouldn't have lost the poison sphere in the first place. But perhaps she is biding her time, building her strength and waiting for the right moment to strike...
#41 tyrantbane Dec 06, 2008 0:00:03	She could also receive help from Shar (yeah I know naming her is dangerous, she isnt liked much around here :P)...Maybe Shar has in mind to take both poisons and disease for herself?
#42 old_sage Dec 06, 2008 0:53:07	I think I read one of the designers somewhere mention Zehir was an interloper deity. So, I presume he entered into Faerûn from another world sometime after the Spellplague. The entry for the "Towers of Night' in the FRCG notes that Zehir is an interloper deity.