Anybody's guess. I suspect he's human from the shirtless, plateless, roman legionaire pic out of Dragon magazine.
umm It looked like roman legion armor to me.
as for what race he is, he is a god.
as for what he was, is anybody's guess. human, half-orc, half fiend etc...
I dont think he would of been an orc, as they tend to deal with STR more than Fear.
Anybody's guess. I suspect he's human from the shirtless, plateless, roman legionaire pic out of Dragon magazine.
umm It looked like roman legion armor to me.
as for what race he is, he is a god.
He was mortal orginally. He won his divinity from Jergal
I say he is a Bearded Gnome...
I agree
I say he is a Bearded Gnome...
I agree
Hmmmm, you guys might be on to something there. Im under the impression that Bane,Bhaal, and Mykrul all adventured together back in the day, and adventuring parties are seldom comprised of all humans, so perhaps Bane was the Gnome, Bhaal was quick so maybe he was a halfling, Mykrul was the Necromancer of the group, so maybe he was the token human, not that other races couldnt be a Necromancer, but most Necromancers ive met have been human.
Anybody's guess. I suspect he's human from the shirtless, plateless, roman legionaire pic out of Dragon magazine.
Note that this is not the FR Bane. It's a different deity that just happens to have the same name.
About FR Bane's origin: According to what Storm saw in Bane's memories in the guy possessed by a remnant of Bane's divine essence, he hailed from a far away place that's vastly different from Faerun.
The Ultimate Tyrant would be an Elf.
thats just what he'd want you to think.
Bane is actually a Member of a energy based life forms, that call themselves the Q continuum.
Bane is a Q
might be yuan-ti
can anyone show these pics you have to reference from?
and
I fear thats what he wants you to do...
might be yuan-ti
Maybe Malaug himself risen to Godhood?
can anyone show these pics you have to reference from?
and
The bottom one shold have: "This is Sparta!" on the bottom of it...
Though the thing I find funny about this adventureing band of would be gods is this
Bane is the fighter....Bhaal is the rogue...Myrkul is the wizard....there is no cleric mentioned at all.
So three possiblities
1)There was a person in this group who didn't become a god....
2) Shar disguised as a human went along with them.
3) Over the course of there adventuring careers Bane and Bhaal got killed and turned into undead by Myrkul.
Of course I answeared this question when a group of PCs wiped out Zhentarim leadership....they was not happy at all to meet the Bride of Bane...but that is another story.
In most of the FR novels I have read, the party lacks a cleric (and if there are any, they are so woe-fully inadequate that the party needs potions anyway).
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BTW what is that black shadowy humanoid at his feet in picture 2? (I'm guessing maybe the remains of Iyachtu Xvim (sp) ?)
Yup, that one depicts Banes return to power, bursting forth from Xvim.
Who knows what he did with loviathar and we don't know who or what was Xvim's "mom".
It says in FRCS Xvim is the son of Bane and "a demon" which seems weird to me since demons are CE and Bane is LE
Half-ogre , half giant, half- orc, cambion, Goliath
any of these would make since and would work
I still maintain that he was human, or at least half-human.
Well if he was half orc he'd also be half human
I know, he is a Yoda Race, unstatable.;)
That is untill he gets stated out in a MM or MB.
I know, he is a Yoda Race, unstatable.;)
What? You think Bane is a muppet?
I thought of something. Are there any pictures from the 2nd edition books of him?
No i dont believe there was, he was dead during that time period so they didnt do much with him. But any way that wouldnt really help us any as gods could appear pretty much however they wanted. There is a picture of Bane's son, Iyachtu Xvim in the Faiths and Avatars book, and he looks very human. Bane took a human avatar during the time of troubles, most of his worshippers were human and Bane's chosen, the Baneliches, were all humans (at least im pretty sure). So all in all id say Bane was human. If we want a definite answer, some one will have to ask Ed Greenwood.
And yeah I see Jergal as being an insectoid. Ive heard that he is a Spellweaver (from Dragon Magazine 338) but they dont look very bug like, like Jergal is ussually shown as being. Was there a bug like Creator race? If not Id say there should be.
And Yeah John, that makes perfect sense! I wonder what sort of pick up lines Bane uses? "Hey baby wanna feel my horns?"
Yeah I was thinking that the Spell Weaver was a 2e creature, it seems like I remember seeing it in an older issue of Dragon, but the one I listed was the only reference I could find. It could be that the Monsterous Compendium Anual is their first appreance, Im not sure.
And Yeah John, that makes perfect sense! I wonder what sort of pick up lines Bane uses? "Hey baby wanna feel my horns?"
I am thinking that the Spell weaver first appeared in either Spell Jammer or Planescape first...well I can check the plane scape stuff later.
And of course it makes perfect sense...I came up with it. ;)
It is not a Spelljammer creature and pretty sure it is not a Placescape one. I thought it was a FR one but since you FR buffs didn't say so, guess he isn't from Toril.
Monstrous Compendium Annual gathered monsters from everywhere, including Dragon and Dungeon mags.
But with the 2 pages description, I am thinking Greyhawk.
You are right they are not in planescape.
I have no idea where they came from beyond the MC annual....
all I know of the batrhowever it wsa spell is that they were aquatic.
dont suppose he was a tri-kreen do you? they are pretty alien
And as for why humans would worship him, look at the portfolios he had, Death, Murder, and Strife, many humans would be drawn to that as a path of power. I couldnt see many of his worshipers as being very nice people.
Oh man, we've totally derailed this thread to the topic of what race is Jergal now. Still interesting stuff. And yeah he is obviously an ancient god, but I wonder how old exactly he is? Could he be older than Shar and Selune? Maybe he came from a world that existed before Realmspace was even created, the last survivor of the world, sort of like the Realms equivelent of Galactus.
And as for why humans would worship him, look at the portfolios he had, Death, Murder, and Strife, many humans would be drawn to that as a path of power. I couldnt see many of his worshipers as being very nice people.
I think you are right....and I think that is why he gaved up his powers to Bane and company...one morning he woked up and looked at his whorshippers and went.."Urggh"
Someone tried to say that but no one payed attention.
So again, of the 3 pictures, only the FIRST TWO are Bane.
The last one is a different god from a different world who is the god of war and for some stupid reason WotC named him Bane as well.
Back to the original topic: where does it say Bane had a human avatar in the ToT?
Most (if not all) gods in the time of troubles did not take avatar forms and instead possessed people.
Bane for awhile possessed Fzoul Chembryl. That he chose a human to possess does not necessarily prove he was a human
I know this is kind of an old thread but I noticed something: in the FRCS on the page where it talks about the return of Bane it said he appeared as a knight with black armor. So why does the picture not reflect that?
Thats really one of those unanswerable questions, theres plenty of instances were the artwork does not match up with whats supposed to be going on. Kinda like when buying a comic book, and whatever scene is depicted on the cover almost never actually happens.
They way I see it, in this case, I think the pic has it right, but Bane didnt want people to think that he just popped out nude, so he created a vision of a black armoured knight for his worshippers.
I know, he is a Yoda Race, unstatable.;)
I believe this is the correct answer. Bane is an evil Yoda.
"Fear me, you will. Dying now, you shall be!"
I know, he is a Yoda Race, unstatable.;)
I believe this is the correct answer. Bane is an evil Yoda.
"Fear me, you will. Dying now, you shall be!"
I must say, I whole-heartily DISAGREE!!!!!
Bane looks nothing at all like a muppet!
It's also possible his most common appearance changes according to how his worshipers think he should look. As artists over the centuries depicted him looking fiercer and more nonhuman, Bane himself began to change whether he wanted to or not.
The intent in the illustrations is to make him look demonic. He doesn't look like an orc.
In any case, it's impossible to judge what he was as a mortal by his current appearance.
And the spell weaver was first introduced in Dragon #163. They were created by Ed O'Connell.
And the spell weaver was first introduced in Dragon #163. They were created by Ed O'Connell.
Ah, much thanx for that, I was thinking that they were in Dragon first, but I had no idea which issue, Thank you!!!
so it it has been said, know that it has not been written
A friend of mine wants to know what the holy symbol of Bane looks like.
The text describes it as "green rays shooting out of a black hand" (approximated from Polish), green being the key word here. In the drawing in F&P and FRCS, the hand is black, the background is green, but the rays themselves are beige!
Well, on the topic of artwork and text description not matching.
A friend of mine wants to know what the holy symbol of Bane looks like.
The text describes it as "green rays shooting out of a black hand" (approximated from Polish), green being the key word here. In the drawing in F&P and FRCS, the hand is black, the background is green, but the rays themselves are beige!
This one?
www.wizards.com/dnd/images/fp_gallery/fp...
Well, on the topic of artwork and text description not matching.
A friend of mine wants to know what the holy symbol of Bane looks like.
The text describes it as "green rays shooting out of a black hand" (approximated from Polish), green being the key word here. In the drawing in F&P and FRCS, the hand is black, the background is green, but the rays themselves are beige!
This one?
www.wizards.com/dnd/images/fp_gallery/fp...
Yeah, this one. So? Which one is correct? Drawing or text?
"History/Relationship: Even as a human, Bane wanted nothing more than to become the most feared, respected tyrant the world had ever known.[...]
Hence, the calculating despot joined forces with the similarly driven humans Bhaal and Myrkul in a pact of mutual assistance that would end in the apotheosis of the entire trio."
So Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul were humans, as mortals. As gods, they can appear as they wish.
From Faiths and Pantheons:
"History/Relationship: Even as a human, Bane wanted nothing more than to become the most feared, respected tyrant the world had ever known.[...]
Hence, the calculating despot joined forces with the similarly driven humans Bhaal and Myrkul in a pact of mutual assistance that would end in the apotheosis of the entire trio."
So Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul were humans, as mortals. As gods, they can appear as they wish.
Thank you for that, I was thinking that there was something somewhere that stated specifically that they were humans but couldnt find it!
And yeah I see Jergal as being an insectoid. Ive heard that he is a Spellweaver (from Dragon Magazine 338) but they dont look very bug like, like Jergal is ussually shown as being. Was there a bug like Creator race? If not Id say there should be.
And Yeah John, that makes perfect sense! I wonder what sort of pick up lines Bane uses? "Hey baby wanna feel my horns?"
Yeah I was thinking that the Spell Weaver was a 2e creature, it seems like I remember seeing it in an older issue of Dragon, but the one I listed was the only reference I could find. It could be that the Monsterous Compendium Anual is their first appreance, Im not sure.
And Yeah John, that makes perfect sense! I wonder what sort of pick up lines Bane uses? "Hey baby wanna feel my horns?"
I am thinking that the Spell weaver first appeared in either Spell Jammer or Planescape first...well I can check the plane scape stuff later.
And of course it makes perfect sense...I came up with it. ;)
It is not a Spelljammer creature and pretty sure it is not a Placescape one. I thought it was a FR one but since you FR buffs didn't say so, guess he isn't from Toril.
Monstrous Compendium Annual gathered monsters from everywhere, including Dragon and Dungeon mags.
But with the 2 pages description, I am thinking Greyhawk.
You are right they are not in planescape.
I have no idea where they came from beyond the MC annual....
all I know of the batrhowever it wsa spell is that they were aquatic.
dont suppose he was a tri-kreen do you? they are pretty alien
And as for why humans would worship him, look at the portfolios he had, Death, Murder, and Strife, many humans would be drawn to that as a path of power. I couldnt see many of his worshipers as being very nice people.
Oh man, we've totally derailed this thread to the topic of what race is Jergal now. Still interesting stuff. And yeah he is obviously an ancient god, but I wonder how old exactly he is? Could he be older than Shar and Selune? Maybe he came from a world that existed before Realmspace was even created, the last survivor of the world, sort of like the Realms equivelent of Galactus.
And as for why humans would worship him, look at the portfolios he had, Death, Murder, and Strife, many humans would be drawn to that as a path of power. I couldnt see many of his worshipers as being very nice people.
I think you are right....and I think that is why he gaved up his powers to Bane and company...one morning he woked up and looked at his whorshippers and went.."Urggh"
Someone tried to say that but no one payed attention.
So again, of the 3 pictures, only the FIRST TWO are Bane.
The last one is a different god from a different world who is the god of war and for some stupid reason WotC named him Bane as well.
Back to the original topic: where does it say Bane had a human avatar in the ToT?
Most (if not all) gods in the time of troubles did not take avatar forms and instead possessed people.
Bane for awhile possessed Fzoul Chembryl. That he chose a human to possess does not necessarily prove he was a human
I know this is kind of an old thread but I noticed something: in the FRCS on the page where it talks about the return of Bane it said he appeared as a knight with black armor. So why does the picture not reflect that?
Thats really one of those unanswerable questions, theres plenty of instances were the artwork does not match up with whats supposed to be going on. Kinda like when buying a comic book, and whatever scene is depicted on the cover almost never actually happens.
They way I see it, in this case, I think the pic has it right, but Bane didnt want people to think that he just popped out nude, so he created a vision of a black armoured knight for his worshippers.
I know, he is a Yoda Race, unstatable.;)
I believe this is the correct answer. Bane is an evil Yoda.
"Fear me, you will. Dying now, you shall be!"
I know, he is a Yoda Race, unstatable.;)
I believe this is the correct answer. Bane is an evil Yoda.
"Fear me, you will. Dying now, you shall be!"
I must say, I whole-heartily DISAGREE!!!!!
Bane looks nothing at all like a muppet!
It's also possible his most common appearance changes according to how his worshipers think he should look. As artists over the centuries depicted him looking fiercer and more nonhuman, Bane himself began to change whether he wanted to or not.
The intent in the illustrations is to make him look demonic. He doesn't look like an orc.
In any case, it's impossible to judge what he was as a mortal by his current appearance.
And the spell weaver was first introduced in Dragon #163. They were created by Ed O'Connell.
And the spell weaver was first introduced in Dragon #163. They were created by Ed O'Connell.
Ah, much thanx for that, I was thinking that they were in Dragon first, but I had no idea which issue, Thank you!!!
so it it has been said, know that it has not been written
A friend of mine wants to know what the holy symbol of Bane looks like.
The text describes it as "green rays shooting out of a black hand" (approximated from Polish), green being the key word here. In the drawing in F&P and FRCS, the hand is black, the background is green, but the rays themselves are beige!
Well, on the topic of artwork and text description not matching.
A friend of mine wants to know what the holy symbol of Bane looks like.
The text describes it as "green rays shooting out of a black hand" (approximated from Polish), green being the key word here. In the drawing in F&P and FRCS, the hand is black, the background is green, but the rays themselves are beige!
This one?
www.wizards.com/dnd/images/fp_gallery/fp...
Well, on the topic of artwork and text description not matching.
A friend of mine wants to know what the holy symbol of Bane looks like.
The text describes it as "green rays shooting out of a black hand" (approximated from Polish), green being the key word here. In the drawing in F&P and FRCS, the hand is black, the background is green, but the rays themselves are beige!
This one?
www.wizards.com/dnd/images/fp_gallery/fp...
Yeah, this one. So? Which one is correct? Drawing or text?
"History/Relationship: Even as a human, Bane wanted nothing more than to become the most feared, respected tyrant the world had ever known.[...]
Hence, the calculating despot joined forces with the similarly driven humans Bhaal and Myrkul in a pact of mutual assistance that would end in the apotheosis of the entire trio."
So Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul were humans, as mortals. As gods, they can appear as they wish.
From Faiths and Pantheons:
"History/Relationship: Even as a human, Bane wanted nothing more than to become the most feared, respected tyrant the world had ever known.[...]
Hence, the calculating despot joined forces with the similarly driven humans Bhaal and Myrkul in a pact of mutual assistance that would end in the apotheosis of the entire trio."
So Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul were humans, as mortals. As gods, they can appear as they wish.
Thank you for that, I was thinking that there was something somewhere that stated specifically that they were humans but couldnt find it!