Places that do survive
* Anauroch
* Cormyr
* Dalelands
*The Dragon Coast
* Evereska
* High Forest
* Luruar (previously known as the Silver Marches)
* Moonshae Isles
*The Moonsea
* Myth Drannor
* Proskur
* Sea of Fallen Stars
* Sembia
* Spellgard (a.k.a Saharelgard)
* Stonelands
* Stormhorns
* Sword Coast
* Tunlands
Places that don't survive
* Sespech
* Chondath
* Western Chessenta
* Muhorand
* Maztica
* Halruaa
Been catching up on my realms lore. Can Someone point me to articles on the fate of Zhentarim, Waterdeep and Zhentil Keep?
The initial article on Countdown to the Realms talks about Wtaerdeep. I haven't read the new book, Swordmage, yet but it involves the Moonsea and may discuss the Zhents
Year of the Ageless One
by Rich Baker
Had the waterdeep info. Skipped it when I looking for Cormyr info.
Thanks for the heads up.
Been catching up on my realms lore. Can Someone point me to articles on the fate of Zhentarim, Waterdeep and Zhentil Keep?
By the Year of Blue Fire, Bane is positioning himself for the new Realms. As the Zhentarim have become his--assuming Cyricist's have been expelled, as it seemed to be--I imagine the Zhentarim to hold the same, if not a more dominant hold in the Realms.
With the rise of the Netherese I see them weakening. Plus the Elves in Cormanthor. Cormyr is more powerful than ever before. All kinds of other groups poping up as competition. They might be just gathering strength.
But I see their role as the uber evil network shrinking.
Why I think the zhentarim are shrinking.
With the rise of the Netherese I see them weakening. Plus the Elves in Cormanthor. Cormyr is more powerful than ever before. All kinds of other groups poping up as competition. They might be just gathering strength.
But I see their role as the uber evil network shrinking.
Very good point. As is, I don't see the Zhents up and disappearing.
*The Moonsea
*The Dragon Coast
Zhentil Keep (Special)
CORE-S1 Shades of the Zhentarim
Zhentil Keep is a city with a storied history, even if most of the tale is not fit for innocent ears. A mission to find the wayward son of a wealthy merchant leads deep into the secrets, deceptions, and brutal power on which the dreaded Zhentarim built their ominous keep. A Living Forgotten Realms two-round special adventure set in Zhentil Keep for characters levels 1-4.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1034201
None of that says the Zhents still exists. They're referred to in past tense
-Rich Baker has confirmed that they will still be around, albeit in a slightly differet form.
-Most places "survive" the Spellplague.
-Rich Baker has confirmed that they will still be around, albeit in a slightly differet form.
With the RPGA Living Forgotten Realms adventure titled "Shades of the Zhentarim", I think we have a pretty good guess as to how their form has changed in 4e
With the RPGA Living Forgotten Realms adventure titled "Shades of the Zhentarim", I think we have a pretty good guess as to how their form has changed in 4e
ugh. I hope not. I'm very sick of shades
With the RPGA Living Forgotten Realms adventure titled "Shades of the Zhentarim", I think we have a pretty good guess as to how their form has changed in 4e
-I don't take that as literal. I interpret that not as saying that the Shades are working for/with the Zhents. Instead, the Zhents are perhaps only a shade of their former selves.
-I don't take that as literal. I interpret that not as saying that the Shades are working for/with the Zhents. Instead, the Zhents are perhaps only a shade of their former selves.
Agreed. The Shadowvar give lip service to Shar, not Bane.
If there do end up being Shades in the Zhents, then it is due to some ritual they may have performed, much like Cale did. True Shadowvar are devoted to their empire and nothing else.
At least, for now.
As long as they don't wear those silly 'tall hats'.
Anyhow, thats conjecture, but they do seem to be getting a Mercenary touch to them.
For information on the world post-1375 DR, refer to my FAQ over at CK.
I haven't updated it in awhile, but that is because we haven't received a Realmslore article in awhile. Also note I include a link to the Enworld threads that are very comprehensive about the 4e rules, if that interests you as well.
I 'think', going by what little was in that "headless Zhent" thing, that the Zhents will become a power similar to Germany in the 1700's - A miltant nation that rents its troops out to others - like the German Hessians.
Thats fine
-I don't take that as literal. I interpret that not as saying that the Shades are working for/with the Zhents. Instead, the Zhents are perhaps only a shade of their former selves.
Yeah, I don't take that as literal, either.
Yeah, I don't take that as literal, either.
I hope you are right. Obviously, the shades are going to have an impact on the 4E realms as it is. But to take over the Zhents would be too too much
I hope you are right. Obviously, the shades are going to have an impact on the 4E realms as it is. But to take over the Zhents would be too too much
They have their "empire" to build. Why risk involving themselves with the Zhents? That's not calculating, just chaotic.
They have their "empire" to build. Why risk involving themselves with the Zhents? That's not calculating, just chaotic.
I agree but someone implied the Zhents would be shades
I agree but someone implied the Zhents would be shades
Got ya. Just checking. ;)
People can run away with this, you know. I'd hate to have to track you down and spank you for being a corrupter.
Got ya. Just checking. ;)
People can run away with this, you know. I'd hate to have to track you down and spank you for being a corrupter.
you wouldn't be the first
Cacti... for starters. There's actually tons of life in a desert, just most of its nocturnal.
Exactly.
anauroch isn't a desert anymore, according to the Count Down to the Realms article, plants are starting to grow there due to the influence of the Shadovar.
Though from what I read of the same article, it's only *starting* to grow. Anauroch is a huge place. There's still lots of desert, just not as much as there used to be.
anauroch isn't a desert anymore, according to the Count Down to the Realms article, plants are starting to grow there due to the influence of the Shadovar.
-It happens. Look at what Israel did to the neighborhood when they moved in. That said, the Phaerimm's magic must have been thrown off by the Spellplague, thus, a recession.
Cacti... for starters. There's actually tons of life in a desert, just most of its nocturnal.
Certainly, nice and cool then. But most environments have a more active "night life" really
-There is probably a joke in there, somewhere.
insert one at your own leisure
Obviously you're not a David Attenborough fan...
meaning?
Meaning that if you were, you'd probably be aware of just how active the desert really is at night for small creatures.
didn't I say that?
-Will the Forgotten Realms survive the Spellplague? Deep philosophical question...
no. They have already died
didn't I say that?
Not that I saw...
and I'll agree that they're already dead in all likelihood. We'll have to wait to perform an autopsy when they finally release the corpse.
Certainly, nice and cool then. But most environments have a more active "night life" really
here is where I say that
Wow, I read that poorly when I first looked it... my apologies good sir, I am indeed in the wrong there. :D
no problem. We're still good
-Will the Forgotten Realms survive the Spellplague? Deep philosophical question...
Oh man. Clearly this thread isn't about that. If you want to ***** about the 4th ed FR not being FR there's other threads.
Oh man. Clearly this thread isn't about that. If you want to ***** about the 4th ed FR not being FR there's other threads.
Every thread is about that really.
Every thread is about that really.
If your aim is to drive off anyone who might actually enjoy the game, then you're well on your way to succeeding
Personally I don't know why you have to ruin what other people enjoy. I'm not going into your 3.5e discussions and saying how much your game sucks.Oh man. Clearly this thread isn't about that. If you want to ***** about the 4th ed FR not being FR there's other threads.
Chill out. LK was just making a joke.
Oh man. Clearly this thread isn't about that. If you want to ***** about the 4th ed FR not being FR there's other threads.
-What is the topic of this thread? "What survives the spellplague?". Thus, the question applies to this thread.
If your aim is to drive off anyone who might actually enjoy the game, then you're well on your way to succeeding
I am not trying to ruin anything. LK asked a ?. I am merely pointing out that many threads are or turn into that. How my comment to LK means "your game sucks" frankly escapes me. Perhaps you haven't noticed but many people seem to be discussing the conversion of the Realms into 4e
So, chill out
I am merely pointing out that many threads are or turn into that.
Yes, and I'm just sick of it. I've read "4e FR isn't FR" to last me a lifetime. I wish people would stop turning threads into that discussion which is clearly where LK's comment was going (I can't see what else he could mean).
Yes, and I'm just sick of it. I've read "4e FR isn't FR" to last me a lifetime. I wish people would stop turning threads into that discussion which is clearly where LK's comment was going (I can't see what else he could mean).
Whether or not you are sick of it does not change the fact that everyone is discussing it.
And as Rhee stated, I believe LK was making a sarcastic comment about that very fact
Whether or not you are sick of it does not change the fact that everyone is discussing it.
And I wish people would stick to the threads dedicated to such discussions, rather then spread it through every thread.
My apologies if LK was being sarcastic and didn't intend to set off yet another "Is 4e FR, FR?" discussion.
And I wish people would stick to the threads dedicated to such discussions, rather then spread it through every thread.
The fact is this is about the spellplague which lends itself to discuss the virtues of 4E realms. Its not like this thread is about paladin orders in the Sword Coast or Turmish exports
My apologies if LK was being sarcastic and didn't intend to set off yet another "Is 4e FR, FR?" discussion.
You have to ask him if he was just being sarcastic. It would be my assumption but ya never know
And for the record, No. 4E FR is not FR.
As to the whole hating the 4e haters... the whole thread is pretty much based on idle speculation, and will be until August for the most part, barring revelations in DDi/Dragon, and its a given that such speculation is going to attract the hater element. Its the nature of the beast, so deal and either put up with it, or move on. Sorry if you don't like it, but freedom of speech and all that...
but freedom of speech and all that...
You don't have freedom of speech at the WotC forum. Try to swear and you'll quickly realise this.
Besides if they can complain about 4e in every thread, then I get to complain about them in certain threads. Unless a WizO comes along, but none have yet.
At any rate, I see no reason for you not to complain if you so choose, so long as you keep it within the CoC, but don't presume to tell others to shut up and not voice their opinions. That doesn't really contribute to a meaningful debate, and only adds fuel to the fire, so to speak, so in a lot of respects by complaining about them, you're contributing to keeping them going. Stop arguing with them, put them on ignore, report them, whatever, but don't give them more ammunition if you truly want them to stop... if you can see the logic there.
Bad taste, inconsistent logic, dumbed down lore, and Chris Perkins in a pirate hat, standing on Ed Greenwood's literary corpse,yanking his crank and shouting "I killed Mystra! I'm a man now!" while he stares out at the world through his fake eyepatch.
- ORCS! -
I don't think it sucks canal water... I doubt there's much that's truly that bad. Toilet water perhaps, but not canal water...
nah. canal water.
perhaps I should have said "stinks on ice"
I am not trying to ruin anything. LK asked a ?. I am merely pointing out that many threads are or turn into that. How my comment to LK means "your game sucks" frankly escapes me. Perhaps you haven't noticed but many people seem to be discussing the conversion of the Realms into 4e
So, chill out
-Thanks, Merrik, for saying that my game sucks. I appreciate that.
You don't have freedom of speech at the WotC forum. Try to swear and you'll quickly realise this.
Besides if they can complain about 4e in every thread, then I get to complain about them in certain threads. Unless a WizO comes along, but none have yet.
-One has 'Freedom of Speech', so long as they adhere to the CoC, which can be found at the top of your browser.
-Thanks, Merrik, for saying that my game sucks. I appreciate that.
I never said that
I never said that
-Yes, I know. I am poking fun at your expense.
-Yes, I know. I am poking fun at your expense.
oh. well then, your welcome