(Not sure if this is the right forum to put this question in, I'm sure Lord Karass will move it if its not...... remember Karass, this is a "General" question)
-The Elven term for 'Sir' would be 'Quess', which translates as 'An Honorable Elven Male'. For a woman, it would be 'Etrielle', or 'Etriel', which translate to '‘Noble Elven Woman’ and 'Noble Elven Girl', respectively.
How about a unisex term?
How about a unisex term?
-Nope.
weird...
How about Questriel? :D
There's no canon word for 'Noble Elf'?
weird...
How about Questriel? :D
Aren't all elves noble (in their own eyes at least?)
I am curious what the elven terms for King and Queen are
Aren't all elves noble (in their own eyes at least?)
I am curious what the elven terms for King and Queen are
In FR, Coronal is used for important elven rulers as an equivalent to King, in the states that have a monarchy. I think it's applicable to either gender, but I can't remember ever seeing a reference to Amlaruil of Evermeet which didn't refer to her as Queen Amlaruil.
There's no canon word for 'Noble Elf'?
-As I said, the terms are 'Quess', which translates as 'An Honorable Elven Male', or 'Etrielle', which translates as ‘Noble Elven Woman'. It's like Spanish, for example, where you have two words for the same thing, depending on gender: Senor and Senorita.
In FR, Coronal is used for important elven rulers as an equivalent to King, in the states that have a monarchy. I think it's applicable to either gender, but I can't remember ever seeing a reference to Amlaruil of Evermeet which didn't refer to her as Queen Amlaruil.
-'Coronal' means, 'Great Speaker/ Wise Elder’. While Coronals are often the leaders of Elven settlements, Coronal =/= King/Queen.
-'Coronal' means, 'Great Speaker/ Wise Elder’. While Coronals are often the leaders of Elven settlements, Coronal =/= King/Queen.
So how often is someone who isn't a ruler described as a Coronal? I don't know of any.
So how often is someone who isn't a ruler described as a Coronal? I don't know of any.
-Queen Amlauril. King Elebeth (Sp?). King Zaor. Treespeaker Rhothomir. All are titles, just like Coronal. Coronal =/= King/Queen/Prince/Princess/Treespeaker, which was the point I was making. Queen Amlauril is not a Coronal. Likewise, Coronal Eltargrim was not a King.
-It'd be akin to titles we have in our world. A Baron is not a Duke. A Duke is not a Regent. Blah, blah, blah.
-Queen Amlauril. King Elebeth (Sp?). King Zaor. Treespeaker Rhothomir. All are titles, just like Coronal. Coronal =/= King/Queen/Prince/Princess/Treespeaker, which was the point I was making. Queen Amlauril is not a Coronal. Likewise, Coronal Eltargrim was not a King.
-It'd be akin to titles we have in our world. A Baron is not a Duke. A Duke is not a Regent. Blah, blah, blah.
But in the case of Amlaruil and Zaor, they rule Evermeet. Rhothomir is clan head of a Tethyrian elf clan. Is Coronal a more specific title, referring to the ruler of a Mythal-city, perhaps? Which since Evermeet is more than a city makes it inappropriate, and since Tethyr isn't a city that's also inappropriate. If it means city-ruler, then translation as King could work; but so could a lot of other titles.
Though I suppose the answer to what a Coronal is, it''s the Elven equivalent to Lord. Which can mean a lot of different things and you're assumed to know which one it is.
-Coronals rule more than just Mythal-clad cities. Coronal Ivósaar Vyshaan was the ruler of Aryvandaar. Coronal Ynoleth was the leader of all of Shantal Othrier. Coronal Hoccar was the leader of all of Jhyrennstar. Coronal Kiyuigh was the leader of all of Uvaeren. Coronal Essyl was the leader of all of Aryselmalyr. Corellon Larethian himself is known as the Coronal of Arvandor.
So, why isn't Amlaruil Coronal of Evermeet? Why was Zaor always King Zaor? Or is it just that the word has been translated as king/queen in their cases? There's some inconsistency here, which doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.
So, why isn't Amlaruil Coronal of Evermeet? Why was Zaor always King Zaor? Or is it just that the word has been translated as king/queen in their cases? There's some inconsistency here, which doesn't make a great deal of sense to me.
-Because, like I said, King/Queen =/= Coronal, just like Duke =/= Baron, Caliph =/= Emir, Earl =/= Marquis, and all that jazz.
'Warrior' is Kerym, or Akh'Velahrn (Cormanthyr).
An Honorable Elven Male' is Quessir, not Quess.
'Warrior' is Kerym, or Akh'Velahrn (Cormanthyr).
-No. 'Quessir' is the plural, whereas 'Quess' is the singular.
Is there a sourcebook that has the whole elven language?
No, because there actually is no "whole elven language", with regards to the FR setting, in real life.
No, because there actually is no "whole elven language", with regards to the FR setting, in real life.
I could have sworn I saw something somewhere. A huge dictionary of Elven in one of the newer books. I dont have too many so Ill check the ones I do have and see if I can find what I am imagining in my head.
I could have sworn I saw something somewhere. A huge dictionary of Elven in one of the newer books. I dont have too many so Ill check the ones I do have and see if I can find what I am imagining in my head.
If you seen something like Languages of Abeir-Toril (not Languages of Middle-Earth), let me know.
I could have sworn I saw something somewhere. A huge dictionary of Elven in one of the newer books. I dont have too many so Ill check the ones I do have and see if I can find what I am imagining in my head.
A dictionary of words isn't quite the same thing as an entire language, though (which was what I was talking about).
18DELTA (Chosen of Cyric) ;)
Would an elven knight be called "sir" or is there another surname?
(Not sure if this is the right forum to put this question in, I'm sure Lord Karass will move it if its not...... remember Karass, this is a "General" question)
Talas Theur ;)
Akh'Velahr is the martial army.
Akh'Faer the spellcasting one.
The ranks are divided (from high rank to low) [most likely class(es)]:
Coronal, master of the akh'velahrn and the akh'faern [any ruler]
Defender by the Arts [Wizard/Archmage(/ElvenHighMage)]
Defender by Arm [Fighter/Wizard/Bladesinger]
Lord Arms-Captain [Ranger or Fighter]
Lord Spell-Captain [Wizard or Sorcerer]
Protector-Officer [Bladesingers or Champions of Correlon)
Akh'Fearn-Officer [Wizard or Sorcerer]
Akh'Velahrn-Officer [Ranger or Fighter]
Protector [Fighter or Champions of Correlon]
Akh'Fearn [Wizards and Sorcerers]
Akh'Velahrn [Warriors, Rangers, Fighters (and Aristocrats ^^)]
The novel Bladesinger made the name for Bladesinger El'Tael. This is probably a realmsian translation of Eltherael, which means Greensword-Knight, but in the elven language found in Races of the Wild. The El'Tael were structured by the hilt i.e. the master bladesinger was the Frst Hilt.
So a warrior hero who perform exceptionally on the battlefield may be heralded as "Kerym quess akh'velahrn Arandel" (Warrior Sir knight by the Arm Arendel)..
or "Quess Arandel'Velahrn"
or does "Akh'velahrn'quess Arandel" sound better?
-You might be thinking of the dictionary in Elves of Faerûn. That is the largest (and most up-to-date) compilation of Elven words and phrases. Unfortunately, there never was one published in any sources, like there was a Dwarven Dictionary in Dwarves Deep. The dictionary I compiled (with the help of a couple of other individuals) is the best source out there, on this matter.
Yeah that was it!
What would an elven knight be called? Why, an Eldarian Treehugger of course
No rimshot for you.
:P
Armathor................. job and title.....Read Elminster the making of the mage & Elminster in Myth Drannor......
-The title 'Armanthor' is more than just a knight. The best equivalent I think there is to Armanthors that we have would be Secret Service Agents.