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#1 turbowombat Oct 20, 2008 21:32:17	I might be mistaken, but after ascending to godhood didn't Midnight ressurect Mystra? Shouldn't she still be alive and able to manage the weave if Mystra was killed? And where's Helm? You, know the first one to kill Mystra? His name appears no where that I've seen anywhere in the player's guide or camp set for FR. I may have just missed it though; no apologies from WotC yet on the abohrently incomplete or mysteriously absent Index's.
#2 rauric Oct 20, 2008 21:43:34	Midnight/Mystra was killed by Cyric and Helm was killed by Tyr in a duel.
#3 turbowombat Oct 20, 2008 21:53:06	Whoa seriously? Which book was that in, I want to read it (Helm/Tyr) And did you mean that Cyric killed both Midnight and Mystra or that Midnight and Mystra were considered the same god in 4th.
#4 rauric Oct 20, 2008 21:55:44	They were the same god in 2E and 3E. There was no novel that this happened in though. It was mentioned in the 4E campaign book.
#5 turbowombat Oct 20, 2008 22:06:35	What page? and if they were the same god why does the third ed player's guide to faerun mention clerics of midnight having different domains from clerics of mystra? Mystra clerics don't get the Spell domain for example.
#6 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Oct 20, 2008 22:30:39	The Tyr/Helm incident can also be found in The Grand History of the Realms.
#7 lord_karsus Oct 20, 2008 23:04:06	-When Midnight ascended to divinity, at the end of Waterdeep, and became the deity of magic, she became Mystra. That is, her sentience, and the knowledge and experiences of Mystra merged. The same way that the sentience of the original Mystra merged with the knowledge and experiences of Mystryl.
#8 Kobold_Avenger Oct 20, 2008 23:29:01	I have a theory about what novel if any Midnight will die in.. It might be one of the Empheryan Oddsey books. The series that has the alu-fiend from war of the spider queen in it. Afterall the other WoTSQ spin off, The Lady Penitent series, had plenty of god death. Even if Midnight doesn't die in that series I wouldn't be suprised if other gods died. After all, Cyric has summoned to one of the upper planes and I doubt it was so he could relax.
#9 lord_karsus Oct 20, 2008 23:32:39	-It was mentioned that the events within those books will have a great impact on the planar structure of Realmspace, so anything is possible.
#10 Stigger Oct 21, 2008 1:03:51	Don't recall any differentiation of domains between Mystra and Midnight... can't think of anything along those lines I've seen anywhere in print beyond saying that Midnight was taking the name of Mystra and that she was allowing older holy symbols to stand in older temples, and that no-longer eligible clerics due to alignment difference would be allowed to maintain their status as clerics, but that new clerics would have to conform to the new alignments associated with the new Mystra.
#11 suin_bahhar_02 Oct 26, 2008 10:43:29	-It was mentioned that the events within those books will have a great impact on the planar structure of Realmspace, so anything is possible. Any word when the next book in the series sees print? I kinda liked the story, and if its a setup for something grandiose in the planar realms of Fearun it might explain the folding of the shadowplane and negative energy, the collapse of the wheel/tree or the spellplagues effects on the divine domains. Still am enthousiastic for planar lore.
#12 lord_karsus Oct 26, 2008 22:03:35	Any word when the next book in the series sees print? I kinda liked the story, and if its a setup for something grandiose in the planar realms of Fearun it might explain the folding of the shadowplane and negative energy, the collapse of the wheel/tree or the spellplagues effects on the divine domains. Still am enthousiastic for planar lore. -I think the second book is out...
#13 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Oct 27, 2008 12:45:09	The Fractured Sky? A quick internet search told me it'll be out in November.
#14 suin_bahhar_02 Oct 27, 2008 14:12:31	Great news! Thanks for the effort. I just started on Frostfell though, so I'll let the Fractured Sky lay on the shelves for a few. Hmm could this be about the treachery Cyric has planned that leads to a betrayal of friends i.e. Tyr vs Helm? i.e. Homerian Divine Soapera? Or the one where a single betrayal slips the Realms into turmoil?
#15 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Oct 27, 2008 14:32:02	Great news! Thanks for the effort. You're welcome. Hmm could this be about the treachery Cyric has planned that leads to a betrayal of friends i.e. Tyr vs Helm? i.e. Homerian Divine Soapera? Or the one where a single betrayal slips the Realms into turmoil? Could be. We'll know when the book comes out.
#16 suin_bahhar_02 Oct 27, 2008 14:34:03	the Fractured Sky has that RSE ring to it, nay?
#17 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Oct 27, 2008 14:37:13	Well, we've already heard that the Spellplague will be involved with these books, so yes, I'd say there will be RSEs involved.
#18 lord_karsus Oct 27, 2008 15:11:02	The Fractured Sky? A quick internet search told me it'll be out in November. -Hey, I was close.
#19 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Oct 27, 2008 17:36:23	Yes.;)
#20 lord_karsus Oct 29, 2008 11:05:01	-All in all, I find that the way WotC handled this book (and the Twilight War finale, but to a lesser degree) a little puzzling. If the last book does indeed cover the Spellplague, and the cosmology of the setting shifting, it would have made sense to release the final book of the series around the same time as the FRCG/FRPG, not at least a year after it.
#21 suin_bahhar_02 Oct 29, 2008 13:03:55	The Banite character I found intriguing, and the Gossammer Plain introduced Khaanyr Vhok and Alisza for me whom I liked aswell. I was still a bit confused about how Alisza could transplant herself into her child who got saved and raised in the Celestial Realms. Tauran was part of an organisation on Tyr's home domain dedicated to saving and redeeming unborn deviant children? Whom they can raise to adulthood in mere weeks of time on Torils prime? Are Torils unborn souls saved by servants of the good gods? Do they succeed or even attempt that for every child's soul?
#22 lord_karsus Oct 29, 2008 13:39:58	The Banite character I found intriguing, and the Gossammer Plain introduced Khaanyr Vhok and Alisza for me whom I liked aswell. Show -The character wasn't a Banite.
#23 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Oct 29, 2008 19:21:10	-While 99% of this was poetic license, the entire afterlife, with concerns to the Wall, and children/unborn is all facocta. I just learned a new word!
#24 suin_bahhar_02 Oct 29, 2008 19:48:50	Show -The character wasn't a Banite.
#25 lord_karsus Oct 29, 2008 21:35:09	I just learned a new word! -Ah, but can you use it in context? I found the depiction promising in a way but dissapointing aswell. The order Tauran was part of only saves children of fiendish parents, for what reason? -To redeem them, apparently. Note, that it'd make sense for other "orders" to attempt to redeem other races, such as Devils, or Yugoloth, or whatever else. Time on the heavens and the astral goes in odd ways, but temporal oddities in stories still irk me. So staying on the Fugue plane for a few years amounts to only a few days going by on Toril? -Apparently so.
#26 umbralknight Oct 30, 2008 9:58:57	Helm was killed by Tyr in a duel. ... No matter how many times I read that, I never stop being absolutly bewildered.
#27 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Oct 30, 2008 19:57:46	-Ah, but can you use it in context? Yes, and it would not wind up facocta.:P
#28 Zireael Oct 31, 2008 12:58:20	Don't understand how Aliisza could transplant herself into her child. Tyr/Mystra/Helm issue is perfectly clear to me, though I preferred Helm to Tyr.