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Where have all the Phaerimm gone? Long time passing

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#1
delroland
Aug 28, 2008 23:40:17 Right, so this is just a timeline question: did the Netherese wipe out the Phaerimm before or after the Spellplague?
#2
krownhunter07
Aug 28, 2008 23:43:12
Right, so this is just a timeline question: did the Netherese wipe out the Phaerimm before or after the Spellplague?

I believe before, but I'll look it up and give you a proper answer.
#3
lord_karsus
Aug 28, 2008 23:45:30
Right, so this is just a timeline question: did the Netherese wipe out the Phaerimm before or after the Spellplague?

-They began hunting the Phaerimm when they returned to the Prime Material Plane in 1372 DR.
#4
strife026
Aug 29, 2008 3:35:13 I would say they finished off the phaerimm after the spellplague happened. Since Netheril came back in 1372, there just isnt enough time between then and the spellplague (13 yrs) to track and eliminate all of them. Plus, being that the phaerimm are very magical in nature, with the total "changing" of how magic works would put them at a huge disadvantage and would be able to be wiped out so much easier after the spellplague occured.
#5
banpai
Aug 29, 2008 6:03:44 I am pretty shure that they are not all dead. Considering the fact that Myth Drannor had quite many of them and that you only need one to impregnate whatever you want to create new worm monsters....

No the phaerim are just clever, they have been decimated yes, but now they have to create a new generation - which isn´t really the hard part - but they have to wait some decades until they develop some usefull spells.
#6
lord_karsus
Aug 29, 2008 10:39:38
Plus, being that the phaerimm are very magical in nature, with the total "changing" of how magic works would put them at a huge disadvantage and would be able to be wiped out so much easier after the spellplague occured.

-Note, that same disadvantage would have to be placed on the Shadovar as well.
#7
ikki
Aug 29, 2008 12:55:12
I am pretty shure that they are not all dead. Considering the fact that Myth Drannor had quite many of them and that you only need one to impregnate whatever you want to create new worm monsters....

No the phaerim are just clever, they have been decimated yes, but now they have to create a new generation - which isn´t really the hard part - but they have to wait some decades until they develop some usefull spells.

And besides, all you need is a single scale of a phaerimm.. enough to make a simulcra.. that injects its egg into a freshly captured orc/ogre/villager :P
Again and again, keep the couple of hundred hidden away in a demiplane, just waiting to be unleashed.
#8
banpai
Aug 29, 2008 13:38:03
And besides, all you need is a single scale of a phaerimm.. enough to make a simulcra.. that injects its egg into a freshly captured orc/ogre/villager :P
Again and again, keep the couple of hundred hidden away in a demiplane, just waiting to be unleashed.

Nice plan, would be a nice way to chause the shades some trouble.
#9
karazhan
Aug 29, 2008 13:59:26 Well, considering that the phaerimm are aberrations, I would think an ironic twist would be to have a huge influx of them from the transplanted lands of Abeir. After all, with the Shadovar thinking them now extinct a land of aberrations might just be where they originally came from.
#10
strife026
Aug 29, 2008 18:14:07 Since people are still thinking that maybe some phaerimm may still be alive in the realms somewhere, the truth is they are gone. On pg 220 of the FRCG, under the Deep Wastes Lore section, it clearly states that the phaerimm are EXTINCT. So by cannon, no more phaerimm exist(at least in the realms). However, they can still be created by how they were originally brought to being through a magical ritual and there are probably at least one or two in the Multiverse doing there own evil things, but "Abeir" Toril has no phaerimms anymore.
#11
krownhunter07
Aug 29, 2008 18:18:57 It also talks about the memory spire that pops up in their land at different places... it's said to contain a corpse of one as well as items that are the bane of shades...
#12
strife026
Aug 29, 2008 18:35:12
Note, that same disadvantage would have to be placed on the Shadovar as well.

I thought of that while writing about the phaerimm, but i left it out for two reasons. First is that although the Shadovar are definitely magic users, but they also have a high martial side to them that the phaerimm just do not possess and that would give them a distinct advantage in combat, especially with spell casting being unreliable during the spell plague(ignores contradictory evidence in the Undead novel). The second is even though the shadow weave fell apart during the spell plague, the Shades of Nethril were probably better off than a lot of others during the spell plague due to their relationship with the Shadowplane (Shadowfell if you must). With the trade of part of their souls for shadowstuff to become a Shade i just think it gave them a better understanding of how magic(shadow magic more specifically) changed through their own nature and that also gave them an advantage that the phaerimm lacked.
#13
strife026
Aug 29, 2008 18:37:00 double post nooooooooooooo
#14
karazhan
Aug 29, 2008 22:14:36 In terms of the guide, it says nothing about Abeir and the phaerimm. There could easily be phaerimm in those lands transported during the spellplague.
#15
lord_karsus
Aug 30, 2008 11:49:59 -We also aren't fully sure how the Phaerimm came to be. They existed at multiple points of time, acting as the banes of various different cultures. In theory, the Phaerimm could be some kind of "natural response" to abuses of magic (a la the WEAPONs from Final Fantasy VII, for those who have played it) created by Chauntea, and simply manifest themselves as when abuses of magic begin.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 delroland Aug 28, 2008 23:40:17	Right, so this is just a timeline question: did the Netherese wipe out the Phaerimm before or after the Spellplague?
#2 krownhunter07 Aug 28, 2008 23:43:12	Right, so this is just a timeline question: did the Netherese wipe out the Phaerimm before or after the Spellplague? I believe before, but I'll look it up and give you a proper answer.
#3 lord_karsus Aug 28, 2008 23:45:30	Right, so this is just a timeline question: did the Netherese wipe out the Phaerimm before or after the Spellplague? -They began hunting the Phaerimm when they returned to the Prime Material Plane in 1372 DR.
#4 strife026 Aug 29, 2008 3:35:13	I would say they finished off the phaerimm after the spellplague happened. Since Netheril came back in 1372, there just isnt enough time between then and the spellplague (13 yrs) to track and eliminate all of them. Plus, being that the phaerimm are very magical in nature, with the total "changing" of how magic works would put them at a huge disadvantage and would be able to be wiped out so much easier after the spellplague occured.
#5 banpai Aug 29, 2008 6:03:44	I am pretty shure that they are not all dead. Considering the fact that Myth Drannor had quite many of them and that you only need one to impregnate whatever you want to create new worm monsters.... No the phaerim are just clever, they have been decimated yes, but now they have to create a new generation - which isn´t really the hard part - but they have to wait some decades until they develop some usefull spells.
#6 lord_karsus Aug 29, 2008 10:39:38	Plus, being that the phaerimm are very magical in nature, with the total "changing" of how magic works would put them at a huge disadvantage and would be able to be wiped out so much easier after the spellplague occured. -Note, that same disadvantage would have to be placed on the Shadovar as well.
#7 ikki Aug 29, 2008 12:55:12	I am pretty shure that they are not all dead. Considering the fact that Myth Drannor had quite many of them and that you only need one to impregnate whatever you want to create new worm monsters.... No the phaerim are just clever, they have been decimated yes, but now they have to create a new generation - which isn´t really the hard part - but they have to wait some decades until they develop some usefull spells. And besides, all you need is a single scale of a phaerimm.. enough to make a simulcra.. that injects its egg into a freshly captured orc/ogre/villager :P Again and again, keep the couple of hundred hidden away in a demiplane, just waiting to be unleashed.
#8 banpai Aug 29, 2008 13:38:03	And besides, all you need is a single scale of a phaerimm.. enough to make a simulcra.. that injects its egg into a freshly captured orc/ogre/villager :P Again and again, keep the couple of hundred hidden away in a demiplane, just waiting to be unleashed. Nice plan, would be a nice way to chause the shades some trouble.
#9 karazhan Aug 29, 2008 13:59:26	Well, considering that the phaerimm are aberrations, I would think an ironic twist would be to have a huge influx of them from the transplanted lands of Abeir. After all, with the Shadovar thinking them now extinct a land of aberrations might just be where they originally came from.
#10 strife026 Aug 29, 2008 18:14:07	Since people are still thinking that maybe some phaerimm may still be alive in the realms somewhere, the truth is they are gone. On pg 220 of the FRCG, under the Deep Wastes Lore section, it clearly states that the phaerimm are EXTINCT. So by cannon, no more phaerimm exist(at least in the realms). However, they can still be created by how they were originally brought to being through a magical ritual and there are probably at least one or two in the Multiverse doing there own evil things, but "Abeir" Toril has no phaerimms anymore.
#11 krownhunter07 Aug 29, 2008 18:18:57	It also talks about the memory spire that pops up in their land at different places... it's said to contain a corpse of one as well as items that are the bane of shades...
#12 strife026 Aug 29, 2008 18:35:12	Note, that same disadvantage would have to be placed on the Shadovar as well. I thought of that while writing about the phaerimm, but i left it out for two reasons. First is that although the Shadovar are definitely magic users, but they also have a high martial side to them that the phaerimm just do not possess and that would give them a distinct advantage in combat, especially with spell casting being unreliable during the spell plague(ignores contradictory evidence in the Undead novel). The second is even though the shadow weave fell apart during the spell plague, the Shades of Nethril were probably better off than a lot of others during the spell plague due to their relationship with the Shadowplane (Shadowfell if you must). With the trade of part of their souls for shadowstuff to become a Shade i just think it gave them a better understanding of how magic(shadow magic more specifically) changed through their own nature and that also gave them an advantage that the phaerimm lacked.
#13 strife026 Aug 29, 2008 18:37:00	double post nooooooooooooo
#14 karazhan Aug 29, 2008 22:14:36	In terms of the guide, it says nothing about Abeir and the phaerimm. There could easily be phaerimm in those lands transported during the spellplague.
#15 lord_karsus Aug 30, 2008 11:49:59	-We also aren't fully sure how the Phaerimm came to be. They existed at multiple points of time, acting as the banes of various different cultures. In theory, the Phaerimm could be some kind of "natural response" to abuses of magic (a la the WEAPONs from Final Fantasy VII, for those who have played it) created by Chauntea, and simply manifest themselves as when abuses of magic begin.