I was seriously hoping that they would have killed him off in the 100 year gap but no luck. If they had, they may have brought out an ongoing book series about another character. Mayhap it be a bout someone interesting.
I was seriously hoping that they would have killed him off in the 100 year gap but no luck.
Then WotC would (apparently) lose quite a lot of profit.
I personally think the Drizzt series ran its course years ago (how books about Drizzt and Co. do we need?), but I'm not surprised at all that WotC chose to keep Drizzt alive for the new Realms.
Seriously invent a new character & then use him adnuseum
19 novels is a little to much. Thats not including the comic book remakes that recently came out. I mean its just getting silly now. A new book is coming out where Drizzt becomes a sailor.
Seriously invent a new character & then use him adnuseum
He's been a sailor... Many times as I recall. Also, the comic are the Drizzt and Co. books being retold in a new format. Yes, WotC is going to milk Drizzt for all he's worth. Just like Marvel Comics did with Wolverine in the 90's. It's the nature of the beast.
Not 'old' per se, but rather have that old-timer attitude toward things - a feeling of utter disgust at how the world has turned out, and a sense of bitterness since the loss of everyone he's held dear.
Then use him as the narrator for other character's stories, both by RAS and others. Put him in the background, where he can regale the 'kiddies' with tales of the old days, during the "Age of Heroes".
He'd make the PERFECT narrator for a series of anthologies set during the lost century. I'd even read that.... ;)
He's been a sailor... Many times as I recall.
Yes, Drizzt as a sailor--more specifically a pirate hunter--is nothing new. He sailed with Deudermont (along with Catti-brie) during the five year gap between Siege of Darkness and Passage to Dawn. That's a significant chunk of time that has not been touched on that much in the novels.
I would like to read more of the emo introductions of his as a new Drizzt chapter starts such as the Orc Kings prologue. This might give insight into long lived elves view on the world and the passage of time.
Well then, just read all the italicized monolouges at the beginning of each and every "Book" within each and every Drizzt novel (even the few that don't feature him!).
http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Wizards/Products/default.aspx?doc=239607200
would seem to be Drizzt's latest novel.
But I can't work out if it's set post-Spellplague, or during Drizzt's sailing years (the Sea Sprite is present).
This, The Stone Of Tymora 1 - The Stowaway
http://ww2.wizards.com/Books/Wizards/Products/default.aspx?doc=239607200
would seem to be Drizzt's latest novel.
Actually, it's Maimun's novel*--Drizzt has only a side role.
But I can't work out if it's set post-Spellplague, or during Drizzt's sailing years (the Sea Sprite is present).
It takes place around the time of The Halfling's Gem (I own the book and have started reading it).
*Maimun--the protagonist of said novel and "the stowaway".
What I would like to see - even though I have no intentions of reading any post-1385 novels - is Drizzt as an 'old man', the way he is presented in the Orc King prologue & epilogues.
-For Drizzt to be an 'old man', it's going to take a lot more than 100 years, considering he was something silly like 86 or something to that effect, in 1372 DR.
I have the old version of The Crystal Shard that says Drizzt is 200 years old (LK, I'll show it to you next time we meet).
-Maybe he's been hit in the head so many times, he doesn't know his age anymore. We already know that he suffers from multiple personality disorder...
In one of the Hunter's Blades Trilogy books he mentions to Innovindil that he has not yet seen a century. In the original version of The Crystal Shard he may have said that he was 200, but after Salvatore wrote the prequel trilogy, he went through the Icewind Dale trilogy and revised stuff that he had changed. He mentions having done this in the introduction from the collection book of the Icewind Dale trilogy.
-If only it were truly that easy to rewrite the rules of reality...
...I really don't know what people dislike so much about Drizzt Do'Urden.
Cattie-Brie is dead, probably, so there goes his hot Human hook up. I wonder if he'll ever get another shot at that Pegasus ridin' nympho elf?
I digress....Drizzt is an establishment folks. An institution, and I for one read book after book because I can't stand not knowing where the Purple One is on a yearly basis. I hate all this new time jumpin...spellplaugin'....WHY THE HELL DID CYRIC SHANK MYSTRA!!>!>!>!>!>?!?!....stuff.
Ahem. I would like to point out that the Blackstaff, Elminster, Erevis Cale, and numerous others (who are probably all dead now because 4e BLOWS) have just as much lore and history to tell as Drizzt does.....yet no one complains so much, at least in comparison, about the crap they've shoveled out about them.
Drizzt is like a wet fart. Fun to do for a few years, but then when you're chaffing and sitting on a hemmorhoid donut, you kinda hope Obould snaps his pretty little neck and bangs Alustriel.
...I really don't know what people dislike so much about Drizzt Do'Urden.
I think most people dislike Drizzts fans and not Drizzt himself.
I think most people dislike Drizzts fans and not Drizzt himself.
Well, I've read plenty of actual criticism of Drizzt and how he is written. Heck, I've written my share of criticism. That said, I think I still agree with you--people seem to be more annoyed by Drizzt's more overzealous fans than the character himself.
In the original version of The Crystal Shard he may have said that he was 200, but after Salvatore wrote the prequel trilogy, he went through the Icewind Dale trilogy and revised stuff that he had changed. He mentions having done this in the introduction from the collection book of the Icewind Dale trilogy.
Yes, I recall reading that. RAS said he didn't want to be held back by what he wrote before.
Also, the story of how Drizzt obtained Guenhwyvar is a bit different in the original version of TCS.
Perhaps he now resides in the Realms Forgotten. The FR setting says that the two worlds traded parts of each other with one another, so perhaps Drizzt was in the wrong place at the wrong time and ended up in a different world.
That's unlikely, considering the prologue of The Orc King.
I think most people dislike Drizzts fans and not Drizzt himself.
Nope I don't like Drizzt....he is the Wolverine of the Realms. Never liked him....never will.
He cheats like Wolverine.
I wish Cyric had killed him instead....though I am sure Drizzt would have won. He wins everything.He is overexposed...that is why I don't like him.
Nope I don't like Drizzt....he is the Wolverine of the Realms. Never liked him....never will.
He cheats like Wolverine.
He is overexposed...that is why I don't like him.
You know what Drizzt needs? A Cyclops to his Wolverine. Someone so powerful, that it leaves him going "Somtimes Summers, I remember why your in charge."*
*Astonishing X-Men Issue #8: Story Title: Dangerous – part 2
I hate drizzt clones.
I hate all the threads on that subject.
and old man elminster is still alive
I think most people dislike Drizzts fans and not Drizzt himself.
Well, I've read plenty of actual criticism of Drizzt and how he is written. Heck, I've written my share of criticism. That said, I think I still agree with you--people seem to be more annoyed by Drizzt's more overzealous fans than the character himself.
-Right. It's the overzealousness- that's a good word to use.
-He is a "beaten to death" character, though, sure. Not as bad as Wolverine, but...
ie. Bruenor likely had a relationship with that dwarven cleric, you know Drizzt and Catte-brie finally hooked up (and since half drow exist its safe to assume they had at least one), and I'm wondering what ever became of Wulfgars adopted daughter (the one from the dutchy where he and his pal from Luskan got accused of raping the soon to be baroness)
As for Drizzt hate, yeah it's primarily the fan boyish 1001 angsty drow that surfaced after Salvatore wrote the books but as some have indicated its Drizzt himself that irks them. Cause he is indeed the 'wolverine' of the DnD universe I mean even back in 2nd ed elves couldn't be ressurected yet somehow he was after Enterei killed him.
As for 19 books being enough...look at Dragonlance. How badly did old TSR beat the dead horse that was the companions of the lance? I mean every companion had at least one trilogy about him/her and/or his closest companion(s) Though old Rastilin had no less than 3 trilogies he took part in....on top of that you had the origins, the back history, the actual war of the lance they were involved with, the epilogue of that war then their off spring and how the companions interacted with THEM and the next age. I mean seriously, Rastilin got even more paper presence AFTER he left mortal concerns and joined the gods or was trapped in the abyss or whatever...
Kill off Drizzt and you'd likely have another 20 books of how he's fighting at Corellons side directly against Lloth.
While it's safe to assume that Bruenor (remember towards the end of the long series he was already two boots in and just needing that extra shove to get the rest of him in), Rumblebelly, Catte-brie and Wulfgar are all now in the ground, I'm more interested in what has become of their offspring.
-None of them might have had offspring. Wulfgar had Colton, but she was adopted, and he did give her up to be raised by her actual parent, so, even that's a stretch.
The original series, 18 to 20 books in all, pretty much ran its course. Currently they're introducing a young readers book featuring our favorite dark elf.
I wouldn't mind if Drizzt went on a series of high adventures, but rather than a single group, have him meet up with different characters under different circumstances. Sure you need some sort of collective background for the stories, but one that more about Drizzt just going along in life and still having great adventures.
Maybe they could start it with a collection of short stories about Drizzt. Kinda set the tone for the new books.
Could even have it in the sense that he's been up in the north so long, that he's no longer known to anybody south of the spine of the world. But maybe the world's changed enough that people don't go for thier swords the moment he shows his face either. Just a lone drow drifting through life, tangentally making his mark, while helping characters along the way get through thier own collective tough times.
I dont know or think that Drizz't really was know very much to the south of the lands he came from and adventurered in.
-Depends. He is primarily "based" in Icewind Dale, but has been known to venture elsewhere, from time to time (Calimshan, for example). I wouldn't say his exploits or reputation are universally known, though, no.
Drizzt is fighting airship pirates in Eberron... or havn't you heard?
I don't think so, man.
Then WotC would (apparently) lose quite a lot of profit.
I personally think the Drizzt series ran its course years ago (how books about Drizzt and Co. do we need?), but I'm not surprised at all that WotC chose to keep Drizzt alive for the new Realms.
You know, as much as a Drizzt fan (but not fanboy, I hope) as I was in the late 80's & 90's, I too found myself hoping for an end to Drizzt (and his endless whinging.)
It would've been nice to read books about his & Cattie-Brie's kids, though, and their dusky-skinned half-elven adventures. (Just as long as they didn't pull any Jacen & Jaina Solo crap. GAH!!!)
Kill off Drizzt and you'd likely have another 20 books of how he's fighting at Corellons side directly against Lloth.
While finding out Drizzt was hangin with Correllon, I REALLY don't need 20 books worth of that... or even 20 paragraphs of that. Just an aside mention in the novel of a new series would have been plenty enough, thank you.
It would've been nice to read books about his & Cattie-Brie's kids, though, and their dusky-skinned half-elven adventures...
-Ugh, that probably would have made it worse. Think about how cliche that would have been.
-Ugh, that probably would have made it worse. Think about how cliche that would have been.
Hence my disclaimer about the Solo twins.
I bought the Pirate king yesterday... I like his books and I dont' want the character to live his next 700 year in obscurity.
-Most Drow don't live to see 700, let alone see it in obscurity. Suffice to say, most Drow who live to that age are usually important and/or powerful people (Matron Yvonnel Baenre, Gromph Baenre (?) various Drowliches out there).
Gromph Baenre (?)
Yes I think somewhere it was said that he has a magical brooch which was made of a horn from a unicorn and gave him eternal youth.
And if I remeber right Yvonnel Baenre was over 2000 years old
Also, Drizzt books are still good, just skip the whining at the beginning of the chapters and its fine. I've done that for the last 6 books and I find that it releaved my growing frustration. Listen to him fight and talk to his friends and the books are great, its when he talks to himself or to you that it starts to drive me batty! And why was he talking during the Sellsword books?
Personally, I don't think you're going to see Drizzt much in 4th ed. I've heard and read that RA doesn't care for the new world and isn't thrilled with direction its taking, so he may just stop writing about Drizzt after Ghost King.
...I really don't know what people dislike so much about Drizzt Do'Urden.
I have to agree with most people here that it's the fanbois, the drizzt-clones especially. Especially now that drow are a core race with no level adjustment, you won't be able to swing a dead cat in FR without hitting a chatoic good rebel yearning to throw off the reputation of their evil kin.
I LIKE the drow, but I accept that they're EVIL. Only drow character concept I ever came up with was a drow monk/assasin, and he was evil. Worshipped Vhareaun instead of Lolth, but evil nonetheless.
Ran a campaign where the drow were invading the surface in a major war to wipe out surface elves, and had a player want to play a 1/2 drow. No problem with that at first, then he made that character a ranger who wielded 2 scimitars. Fate intervened and in the first game session that character went down due to a critical hit from a hobgoblin (rolling openly, too:D the gods of dice had spoken).
Cattie-Brie is dead, probably, so there goes his hot Human hook up. I wonder if he'll ever get another shot at that Pegasus ridin' nympho elf?
Not to mention all of his other human friends, companions and enemies. Wulfgar is dead, as is Artemis. If RAS decides to write another Drizzt book, he's gonna have a character hung up on a lot of angst. Or possibly dealing with his now-adult 1/2 elf children ;) .
WHY THE HELL DID CYRIC SHANK MYSTRA!!>!>!>!>!>?!?!
Did you...read the Avatar Trilogy? (kind of a misnomer, since the "trilogy" had 5 books). Cyric was insane. Completely bat-s**t crazy. And let's not forget that he was the god of MURDER. Murder was his business. Asking why Cyric murdered anyone would be akin to asking why Silvanus allowed a new tree to grow, why Sune allowed Bob and Jane to fall in love, or why Lathander (Amaunator) allowed the sun to shine.
Ahem. I would like to point out that the Blackstaff, Elminster, Erevis Cale, and numerous others (who are probably all dead now because 4e BLOWS) have just as much lore and history to tell as Drizzt does.....yet no one complains so much, at least in comparison, about the crap they've shoveled out about them.
Elminster is the only one of those who's had such an immense amount of both material and hype, and btw, he's still alive. Blackstaff is a major feature within the world of Realmslore (much more so, in fact, to most of the people within the Realms than Drizzt himself), but yet does not have such a suffocating amount of novels, comics, videogames, and imitators from players of DnD.
This comes back to the fans being the problem. how many people do you know make a character that you can just LOOK at and say "yeah, that's basically Elminster"?
Even if you know some the number isn't as high as Drizzt clones.
I have a buddy who argued with me about it. About how Drizzt apparently was not powerful of a character, because of how he was written in the novels, when in the 3.5e FRCS he's stated as a high-level character. I think this assumption that the novels = the character in the RPG is one of the problems.
That and Drizzt fans are obnoxious and among the most prominent of all Realms fans. I mean, you're effectively unable to play a Drow ranger (regardless of alignment) without references being made to Drizzt because of these people. Because the character was so annoyingly popular.
(My personal philosophy is that there is no good reason why sentient beings of native origin [Material plane beings with a culture and intelligence over 3] cannot make their own decisions after coming to understanding. So while Drow culture is CE (though I argue it is LE), good Drow should exist - Drizzt may be a particular case because he survived and wasn't murdered, or something. I use this same philosophy in my games - Dragons in particular can be ANY alignment, based on an individual preference.)
Personally, I think Drizzt could be a good way to introduce people into what happened during the Spellplague, as someone who was alive during it. RAS can easily write a whole series of novels about it, to give people a more "first hand account" in a prequel form over the current setting. But ultimately its up to him.
I have a buddy who argued with me about it. About how Drizzt apparently was not powerful of a character, because of how he was written in the novels, when in the 3.5e FRCS he's stated as a high-level character. I think this assumption that the novels = the character in the RPG is one of the problems.
Drizzt is CR 18. That's high level, but not epic level.
Personally, I think Drizzt could be a good way to introduce people into what happened during the Spellplague, as someone who was alive during it. RAS can easily write a whole series of novels about it, to give people a more "first hand account" in a prequel form over the current setting. But ultimately its up to him.
And WotC.
Drizzt is CR 18. That's high level, but not epic level.
High level, yes. I never claimed it was epic. Some of the encounters Drizzt has in the novels are more "realistic" than they would be if he were in the same situation on a table top. That's what my friend was using to support his argument how "Drizzt isn't that powerful".
If he's statted as CR 18, then he is powerful in game terms. That's almost epic level.
That's all I meant.
Yeah... you're right he' the "Wolverine" of the realms. Sells a lot of books influences the world despite his relatively low powerlevel. Kills things he has no buisness solo'ing. In the end though he's great product and realisitically not going anywhere for a long long time, thankfully.
I'm sorry people have ruined the fun for you.
What...the word.. Iconic? No.
Flagship. Like it or not Drizzt is the flagship title of the realms...for now.
Though really I await someone writing something that rivals it by selling more books.
You know, as much as a Drizzt fan (but not fanboy, I hope) as I was in the late 80's & 90's, I too found myself hoping for an end to Drizzt (and his endless whinging.)
It would've been nice to read books about his & Cattie-Brie's kids, though, and their dusky-skinned half-elven adventures. (Just as long as they didn't pull any Jacen & Jaina Solo crap. GAH!!!)
SIGNED!!!
P.S.: My believe in mankind has been reinvigorated. :D
I have to agree with most people here that it's the fanbois, the drizzt-clones especially. Especially now that drow are a core race with no level adjustment, you won't be able to swing a dead cat in FR without hitting a chaotic good rebel yearning to throw off the reputation of their evil kin.
The ultimate take on Drizzt fanbois
What I would like to see - even though I have no intentions of reading any post-1385 novels - is Drizzt as an 'old man', the way he is presented in the Orc King prologue & epilogues.
Not 'old' per se, but rather have that old-timer attitude toward things - a feeling of utter disgust at how the world has turned out, and a sense of bitterness since the loss of everyone he's held dear.
Then use him as the narrator for other character's stories, both by RAS and others. Put him in the background, where he can regale the 'kiddies' with tales of the old days, during the "Age of Heroes".
He'd make the PERFECT narrator for a series of anthologies set during the lost century. I'd even read that.... ;)
That would be all kinds of awesome. Especially if he still had an active role in shaping events. I know an overwhelming number of FR fans hate Drizzt, but a lot of us (those of us who dont feel the need to pick apart every little thing about the character) grew up reading about him and the companions, and actually like the character. Id buy books just to see what Drizzt's insights and attitudes were in the new age.
-He is still in the north, fighting to protect the Orcs of the Kingdom of Many-Arrows from "bigoted" Humans and Elves.
fighting to protect the orcs?? why?? and when does he get to protecting those who hate?? thx
fighting to protect the orcs?? why?? and when does he get to protecting those who hate?? thx
-Because, apparently, he's seen how prejudiced and bigoted these people are, and being the victim of prejudice and bigotry himself (though, in his opinion. I see nothing wrong with shunning and/or fearing a Drow.), he doesn't want them to suffer. A huge turn-around, sure, but...
R.A.S?
Rebels
Against
Stereotypes
I figured it out....Punch and Smokeweed on me!
LOL
I'm sure WoTC hasn't forgotten about Drizzt.
The original series, 18 to 20 books in all, pretty much ran its course. Currently they're introducing a young readers book featuring our favorite dark elf.
I wouldn't mind if Drizzt went on a series of high adventures, but rather than a single group, have him meet up with different characters under different circumstances. Sure you need some sort of collective background for the stories, but one that more about Drizzt just going along in life and still having great adventures.
Maybe they could start it with a collection of short stories about Drizzt. Kinda set the tone for the new books.
Could even have it in the sense that he's been up in the north so long, that he's no longer known to anybody south of the spine of the world. But maybe the world's changed enough that people don't go for thier swords the moment he shows his face either. Just a lone drow drifting through life, tangentally making his mark, while helping characters along the way get through thier own collective tough times.
This sounds a lot like the Conan books that Robert E. Howard wrote. You have a few characters that you see more often than others, but it's mostly Conan running around killing things on "a series of high adventures". Not that I'd mind a series of Drizzt books like that, but I will say that I think the books that focus on a specific group of people rather than a lone adventurer tend to be more entertaining and a little deeper.
Is it just me or does RAS seem to be having a constant theme in his writing? The " rebelling agaisnt the stereotype of your race theme"? Drizzt: paladin drow, Bruenor: non isolationist dwarf, Obould: Orc who makes peace not war, Njolhem : good goblin, etc...
-It's why I dislike his literature so much- as in, pushing a theme, as opposed to telling stories of the setting. I appreciate symbolism as much as the next guy, if not more, but I like my literature clear cut. My "works of literature", I like symbolism. My "fantasy novels that I read for the stories", I want stories, not symbolism.
P.S. check out my last post in entreri, jarlaxle, arthrogate thread. Explains what happen to an overzealous fanboy in one of our parties from years ago.
I see your point. Any good recommendations for forgotten realms novels that I should pick up. (Still gonna read Drizzt and Raist novels though)
-There's plenty of good Forgotten Realms novels. Here's my advice, as always: Pick up a short story collection, Realms of X. There;s various themes- magic, Dragons, Elves, war, the Underdark, mystery. There's plenty of stories by plenty of authors featuring various people and places. By doing so, you'll get familiar with some of the writing of Forgotten Realms authors, and some characters, and related books might pique your interest.
Bruenor: non isolationist dwarf
Well, kind of--Bruenor is the type of character who has grave responsibilities but would rather be out adventuring. With him I don't think it's just a racial thing.
Obould: Orc who makes peace not war
Obould does make war.
Njolhem : good goblin, etc...
Well, we only ever had Njolheim's word on that, IIRC.
Oh, also, Drizzt isn't a paladin per se.
As I sit and stare at all 19 novels, the reprints of the 19 novels with super cool new artwork, the hardback collection of the 19 novels sans new artwork, the new book which illustrates and highlight points of interest of the 19 novels with the new artwork +director commentary and blooper reel...
...I really don't know what people dislike so much about Drizzt Do'Urden.
Cattie-Brie is dead, probably, so there goes his hot Human hook up. I wonder if he'll ever get another shot at that Pegasus ridin' nympho elf?
I digress....Drizzt is an establishment folks. An institution, and I for one read book after book because I can't stand not knowing where the Purple One is on a yearly basis. I hate all this new time jumpin...spellplaugin'....WHY THE HELL DID CYRIC SHANK MYSTRA!!>!>!>!>!>?!?!....stuff.
Ahem. I would like to point out that the Blackstaff, Elminster, Erevis Cale, and numerous others (who are probably all dead now because 4e BLOWS) have just as much lore and history to tell as Drizzt does.....yet no one complains so much, at least in comparison, about the crap they've shoveled out about them.
Drizzt is like a wet fart. Fun to do for a few years, but then when you're chaffing and sitting on a hemmorhoid donut, you kinda hope Obould snaps his pretty little neck and bangs Alustriel.
I largely agree with this post, with the exception of a few details.
1. "Why" did Cyric kill Mystra.
As it so happens, he's the god of murder. As it also so happens, the way in which it was written was entirely implausible and ridiculous that I have refused to deal with anything 4E-Realms related that has come after that. If the greatest change we've witnessed to the Realms was brought about like that, I have no interest in what transpires thereafter. As far as I'm concerned, that book and everything after it never existed.
2. Elminster and Erevis Cale dead.
Blackstaff is definitely dead. He died in 1374 DR. His spirit remains in Blackstaff tower, but Khelben is long gone. Elminster, however, I have seen a brief note on when I perused through the 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (which left a very sour taste in my mouth). He's alive... but I can't say he's doing well. As for Erevis Cale... he's most likely dead, given that I don't think Mask appears in 4E FR and therefore Erevis isn't anyone's Chosen. But, perhaps Mask is just in hiding -- who would have thought, from the god of intrigue.
The ultimate take on Drizzt fanbois
That's epic. I actually wanted to write a story about a drow elf who was the only remaining evil drow of Menzoberranzan and his quest to slay all the emo dual-wielding Drizzt-imitators.
people wine about how cleche he is, but frankly he was there the good drow ranger steriotype came from, so you can't realy strike him for lack of origenality.
Look at it like the Drizzt's rivel Entiri was pretty much the same undeveloped killing machien through like 15 books, and people loved him for it, but when he got his own spin-off and showed development the books where poorly rated, and people wined.
Drizzt has grown to the proportion where he is not allowed to change, because the people who are still buying books are the people who like him as is and would be anoyed if something changed, but he is weel enuff known that he is widely scrutenised for his lack of change.
my advice is this, don't look at the series as one series, take it a step at a time so 20 books in it does not seem like he is going no where.
honestly don't you just wish ratialy oppresed people rased by the equivelent of serial killers, with like five close freinds that he will shortly be outliving would just get over it?
2. Elminster and Erevis Cale dead.
Blackstaff is definitely dead. He died in 1374 DR. His spirit remains in Blackstaff tower, but Khelben is long gone. Elminster, however, I have seen a brief note on when I perused through the 4E Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide (which left a very sour taste in my mouth). He's alive... but I can't say he's doing well.
So then what's with the "2. Elminster and Erevis Cale dead." title?
So then what's with the "2. Elminster and Erevis Cale dead." title?
-I think it's supposed to be "They are dead for now, but we all know that, since they are successful characters, they'll be back at some point."
-That's not to say, of course, that Khelben was not a successful character, of course.
Blackstaff is definitely dead. He died in 1374 DR. His spirit remains in Blackstaff tower, but Khelben is long gone.
Not quite.
According to Steven Schend... "For all intents and purposes, they [the spirits in Blackstaff Tower] seem to be spirits/ghosts, but in actuality, they are copies of full personalities and memory templates but NOT the souls/essences."
Obould: True about that one too. But he did make peace with humans and dwarves and the other goodly races surrounding him.(Pre 4e don't know what his status is now other than he is dead supposedly as Obould IV is in charge)
Bruenor: Right again. 0-3 here. Was putting him in with the Lance dwarves my bad.
Obould: True about that one too. But he did make peace with humans and dwarves and the other goodly races surrounding him.
-Though, let's be frank here: Obould didn't even consider peace until:
(A) He had carved out a large swath of territory in the North for his own.
(B) His armies had stalled against the armies he was fighting against.
(C) His rule was being threatened by the powerful Orcs who came from the Underdark, summoned by...Gnark?
Obould did make war and was utterly ruthless when he did. However along the way for whatever the reason was he became more "noble?" no that's not right but I'm sure you can get the gist of what I'm trying to put forward here tight?
-I think it's supposed to be "They are dead for now, but we all know that, since they are successful characters, they'll be back at some point."
But my point was that Elminster is still alive...
Obould did make war and was utterly ruthless when he did. However along the way for whatever the reason was he became more "noble?" no that's not right but I'm sure you can get the gist of what I'm trying to put forward here tight?
Noble definitely isn't a good word for Obould. He was a "wife-beater".
But my point was that Elminster is still alive...
-Amend that to be "IF they die, we all know that, since they are successful characters, they'll be back at some point" then.
Nevermind, I think I just misunderstood someone's post. My bad. :p
But you weren't wrong. Obould isn't a nice guy, not by a long shot. Comparing him to Drizzt is off. What he is, which is rare, is an orc with a vision. Doesn't make him less brutal, he just understands when to pull back and when to make nice in order for his kingdom to profit. Best character Salvatore has written since early Jarlaxle.
The current Obould (IV) is a descendent of the original (or it could like "Caesar" in Roman times, a name that became a title who knows)
The current Obould (IV) is a descendent of the original (or it could like "Caesar" in Roman times, a name that became a title who knows)
-The Obould who started the war in the first place was not the "original" Obould, either. Other Oboulds preceded him.
The first one I know of is the one who first invaded Felbar, lost it later and than startet the big orc campaign to conquer parts of the silver marshes and found the kingdom of Many Arrows.
Who was the original Obould?
The first one I know of is the one who first invaded Felbar, lost it later and than startet the big orc campaign to conquer parts of the silver marshes and found the kingdom of Many Arrows.
Even that Obould might not have been "the first Obould" (unless, of course, he is explicitly stated to be).
Homeland
Exile
Sojourn
The Crystal Shard
Streams of Silver
Legacy
Starless Night
Seige of Darkness
Passage to(of) Dawn
Silent Blade(Heres where some the characters split off)
These next 2 do not have to be read in order
Servant of the Shard(Artemis/Jarlaxle)
Spine of the world(Wulfgar)
Ok these two have to be read in order
Promise of the Witch King(Artemis/Jarlaxle)
Road of the Patriarch(Artemis/Jarlaxle)
These continue the main storyline.
The Thousand Orcs
The Lone Drow
The Two Swords
The Orc King
The Pirate King
The Ghost King(2009)
Plus a few short stories that take place in the "REALMS OF" series that i cant think of right now. But that is the order of which they Should be read. All take place pre 4e.
"The Thousand Orcs"