Which gods did the first elves worship?

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#1

kiaransalee

Feb 13, 2008 14:09:13
In A Grand History of the Realms, it is written that when the first elves migrated to Toril, they didn't worship the Seldarine. Who did they worship?
#2

lord_karsus

Feb 13, 2008 15:13:39
-It is very likely the very first Elves, the Wood Elves who came to Realmspace circa -27,000, worshipped the Seelie Court. The Elves of Tintageer, who migrated later, did, however.
#3

markustay_dup

Feb 13, 2008 16:42:18
Me. :D


Seriously, I think that GHotR specifically mentioned something about them turning to indigenous gods after their arrival (the Yuir Totems?).

Don't have my books here, so I can't check that.

But yeah, what LK said about the Gray (Gold and Silver) Elves, as per Evermeet: Isle of Elves.
#4

lord_karsus

Feb 13, 2008 18:38:58
Seriously, I think that GHotR specifically mentioned something about them turning to indigenous gods after their arrival (the Yuir Totems?).

-The Wood Elves who eventually found their way in the Yuirwood, and probably the Star Elves who found themselves in the same situation, took up worship the the indiginous Yuir pantheon, correct.
#5

old_sage

Feb 13, 2008 20:13:37
There were 10 gods in the Yuir pantheon, 5 of which were unnamed. In addition to the Simbul [this was an ancient god of the Yuir pantheon worshipped by humans that once resided in the Yuir {the Simbul herself takes her name from this particular deity}] we know of Magnar the Bear, Relkath of the Infinite Branches [sounds from the name like he could be an aspect of Emmantiensien] merged with Rilifane Ralathil, Elekarashae, and Zandilar the Dancer who merged with Bast to become Sharess. There really isn't anything more specific about these particular deities.
#6

lord_karsus

Feb 13, 2008 21:49:49
-Information about the Yuir deities, as well as other members of the Seldarine, can be found in Elves of Faerûn.
#7

kiaransalee

Feb 14, 2008 0:50:43
Where can I find Elves of Faerûn?
#8

lord_karsus

Feb 14, 2008 6:28:57
Where can I find Elves of Faerûn?



-There is a link to it in my signature.
#9

alediran

Feb 14, 2008 6:48:02
Which links to http://www.forgottenrealmsvault.com. You need to register in the boards to see the Elven Netbook section.
#10

lord_karsus

Feb 14, 2008 6:52:01
You need to register in the boards to see the Elven Netbook section.

-Really? I didn't know that...Well, oh well, what's done is done.
#11

alediran

Feb 14, 2008 6:53:02
-Really? I didn't know that...Well, oh well, what's done is done.

The idea is to attract people so they stay . I really want to create a good comunity there.
#12

thelemming

Feb 14, 2008 7:03:26


-There is a link to it in my signature.

*ahem* but there is no signature to your postings at the moment.
#13

lord_karsus

Feb 14, 2008 7:24:59
*ahem* but there is no signature to your postings at the moment.

-One's signature only appears in their first post on the page...*ahem*
#14

ripvanwormer

Jun 25, 2008 22:23:12
Vanathor, the Golden Harpist, is Bahamut's advisor and bard, appearing as a gold dragon with a swirl of rainbow colors on his breast. The master of all things musical, Vanathor dwells with the Platinum Dragon in his palace. He is on good terms with all the gods of music, especially Corellon Larethian. He sometimes appears as a handsome half-elven bard. Some myths say he was actually a dead god from an ancient pantheon, given new life by Bahamut's magic.
--From "Spawn of Tiamat, Children of Bahamut" by Keith Francis Stohm in Dragon #260.

It seems possible that Vanathor was once a member of the Yuir pantheon.
#15

merrikcale

Jun 25, 2008 22:25:08
Where can I find Elves of Faerûn?

the what?
#16

ripvanwormer

Jun 25, 2008 22:37:07
the what?

This.
#17

nymrohd

Jun 26, 2008 7:49:39
Also take notice that the Lythari, pretty much the only well-known subrace that still retains its connection to Faerie, worshipped the Seelie Court as well.
#18

xhereticx

Jun 26, 2008 17:52:44
Take note that some of them could have worshipped the Unseelie Court as well.;)
#19

lord_karsus

Jun 26, 2008 17:54:50
Vanathor, the Golden Harpist, is Bahamut's advisor and bard, appearing as a gold dragon with a swirl of rainbow colors on his breast. The master of all things musical, Vanathor dwells with the Platinum Dragon in his palace. He is on good terms with all the gods of music, especially Corellon Larethian. He sometimes appears as a handsome half-elven bard. Some myths say he was actually a dead god from an ancient pantheon, given new life by Bahamut's magic.
--From "Spawn of Tiamat, Children of Bahamut" by Keith Francis Stohm in Dragon #260.

It seems possible that Vanathor was once a member of the Yuir pantheon.

-Interesting. Personally speaking, I am all for the "Lost" members of the Yuir pantheon being "discovered". Note, though, that the Yuir deities were originally worshiped by the indiginous Humans, and then by the Elves who came to the Yuir.

the what?

-See, you are getting yourself in trouble now. :P
#20

xhereticx

Jun 26, 2008 17:56:20
-Interesting. Personally speaking, I am all for the "Lost" members of the Yuir pantheon being "discovered". Note, though, that the Yuir deities were originally worshiped by the indiginous Humans, and then by the Elves who came to the Yuir.

Wait, then which deities did the Star Elves originally worship?
#21

lord_karsus

Jun 26, 2008 17:58:01
Wait, then which deities did the Star Elves originally worship?

-First, we'd need to know more about their origins. They write-up says that they all have the strongest affinity to Corellon Larethian.

-Note that the Star Elves aren't the Elves in question. They came to the Yuir later. The Yuir was already inhabited by "Green Elves", the ones I call Wood Elves.
#22

green_elven_vampire

Jun 26, 2008 18:01:10
Does it truly matter anymore? 4ED retconned the crap out of the Realms!
#23

xhereticx

Jun 26, 2008 18:02:03
-Note that the Star Elves aren't the Elves in question. They came to the Yuir later. The Yuir was already inhabited by "Green Elves", the ones I call Wood Elves.

Ahh, you are speaking of the elves in the Yuir forest. I though you meant the star elves that retreated to Sildeyuir.
#24

lord_karsus

Jun 26, 2008 18:04:59
Ahh, you are speaking of the elves in the Yuir forest. I though you meant the star elves that retreated to Sildeyuir.

-Nope. More about the Star Elves that I can possibly type right now, as well as the Sildeyuir, where the 'u' gets those two dots on top () can be found in Elves of Faerûn, if any of those "burning" questions remain.

-As of right now, there isn't an article on the Yuir itself, but that is certainly something that will eventually be included.
#25

ripvanwormer

Jun 26, 2008 23:35:55
Note, though, that the Yuir deities were originally worshiped by the indiginous Humans, and then by the Elves who came to the Yuir.

That would fit with him appearing as a half-elf, I think.
#26

alkasyn

Jun 27, 2008 2:41:07
What about Borem the mud guy, who Bane and his troupe killed on their quest to godhood? Could he have been one of those Yuir dieties?
#27

suin_bahhar_02

Jun 27, 2008 10:35:26
In ancient times on other primes green or wood elves tended to worship of ancestral animal spirits (like the Sioux: bear, wolf, coyote) next to the Unseelie and Seelie gods. As a mix of animal and feyspirits The Yuir gods resembled those spirits closely so their adaptation is quite logical.
#28

merrikcale

Jun 27, 2008 11:00:19
Does it truly matter anymore? 4ED retconned the crap out of the Realms!

for some reason, I sense you are not a big fan of the 4th edition
#29

lord_karsus

Jun 27, 2008 11:46:15
That would fit with him appearing as a half-elf, I think.

-Meaning that the indigenous Humans worshiped the deities, and then later on, when the Elves arrived in the area, they "resurrected" the worship of these deities. I don't have my books in front of me (I'll try to get the definitive answer by sometime later today), but I believe that the indigenous Humans were gone when the Elves arrived. If this was the case, I don't see why they would see one (or all) of these deities as Half-Elves. If the two groups coexisted, then that'd make a lot more sense. All in all, for the most sense, it depends on what Demihuman Deities says.

What about Borem the mud guy, who Bane and his troupe killed on their quest to godhood? Could he have been one of those Yuir dieties?

-I don't believe so, no.
#30

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Jun 27, 2008 12:40:10
for some reason, I sense you are not a big fan of the 4th edition

I'm even getting the idea that he doesn't like the 4E Realms!
#31

lord_karsus

Jun 27, 2008 12:57:16
-That, I cannot believe.
#32

merrikcale

Jun 28, 2008 12:54:33
I'm even getting the idea that he doesn't like the 4E Realms!

blasphemy
#33

ripvanwormer

Jun 29, 2008 17:15:12
-Meaning that the indigenous Humans worshiped the deities, and then later on, when the Elves arrived in the area, they "resurrected" the worship of these deities. I don't have my books in front of me (I'll try to get the definitive answer by sometime later today), but I believe that the indigenous Humans were gone when the Elves arrived. If this was the case, I don't see why they would see one (or all) of these deities as Half-Elves.

I was thinking that the "true" appearance of the deities (how they appeared at rest or while meeting with their proxies and other gods in the Outer Planes) might have evolved slowly as they accepted new worshippers, but the depictions of the god by the races in question would probably have been as whatever the depictors looked like. Well, except for those gods who were big trees or bears.
#34

lord_karsus

Jun 29, 2008 20:25:38
I was thinking that the "true" appearance of the deities (how they appeared at rest or while meeting with their proxies and other gods in the Outer Planes) might have evolved slowly as they accepted new worshippers, but the depictions of the god by the races in question would probably have been as whatever the depictors looked like. Well, except for those gods who were big trees or bears.

-Me, personally, I favor the other "approach"- that there is an objective, definitive appearance of the deity. That doesn't negate your hypothesis, however. It's a good one.