I've been reading alot of Fantasy novels lately and I came to a sudden conclusion.
There's hardly any Gnome stories or really interesting or well written Gnome characters.
First let me say that I've been reading a crapload of forgotten realms and Dragonlance novels.
Most of the other core D+D races are featured in abundance. Let's take a look...
1. Elves : They are prominently featured in dragonlance with the laurana character and gilthanas, as well as the elven trilogy which features the 3 different elven races from dragonlance. In forgotten Realms, they are featured with stories about ariel moonblade and other races of elves, especially about the elves of Evermeet. hell even in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, they are featured extensively, with one of the coolest fantasy characters of all time being Legolas. Don't even get me started on Dark Elves, as there is the whole entire Drizzt series and war of the spider queen.
2. Dwarves : They are also featured prominently. There is Gimmli, there is Bruenor Battlehammer from the drizzt series, there is Flint Fireforge from the dragonlance chronicles, there's Ivan and Pikel boulder shoulder from the cleric quintet. there's Athrogate from the drizzt books who is a really cool villain who wields twin morningstars, and of course there is the dwarven nations trilogy from Dragonlance.
3. Humans : there is stridor in LOTR's, there is caramon and raistlin from dragonlance, as well as Elminster and kelbin Arunson from forgotten realms. there also is the seven sisters from the forgotten realms as well as humans in dragonlance like Crisania and goldmoon and riverwind...as well as sturm and huma.
4. Halflings/Hobbits : There of course is all the halflings from the shire in both the LOTR series and the hobbit. there is Regis from the drizzt series as well as several other well thought out characters who are halflings from D+D in the forgotten realms.
5. Kender : There is Tasselhoff burrfoot who is one of the best and most well written characters of all time. There is also several other dragonlance novels which feature kenders including Tales of Uncle Trapspringer and others.
6. Gnomes : .......I got nothing ?????
The only thing I can think of is the gnomes from mount nevermind were featured in one of the spelljammer books...but out of the hundreds of fantasy novels in the forgotten realms and dragonlance series....that can't be it can it ???
I want to read a good gnome story.
does anybody know of one ????
They are one of the featured races in D+D. Why do gnomes get no love ???
It's really crazy to me to think that there's no prominent gnome characters and stories.
They are one of the featured races in the D+D core books. (well except for version 4.0)
There is even storylines about deep gnomes, as belware dissledorp or whatever his name is is featured in the drizzt books. You know, the gnome that drizzt cut off his hands ??
but when it comes to rock gnomes....there's nothing.
It seems like a shame too, because with a gnomes tendancies to be involved with practical jokes and their love for both technology and magic.....I could really see an author making a really cool storyline with them.
Think tasselhoff, if he could cast spells and make gears and golems.
makes me wonder again why gnomes get no love ???
Gnomes like it that way. They perfer to be in the back ground, and not have any spotlight. They have that fade away ability after all. Theyre known as the Forgotten Folk for a reason. Blame it all on those damn Halflings, they always got to be in the spotlight. Any time a writer wants a small quirky character in the book they pick a halfling. So I think its all the Halflings fault, theyre keepin the Gnomes down.
Personally I like Gnomes, Ive played more Gnomish characters than Halflings. Gnomes just seem more interesting to me, they really have their own thing goin, where as Halflings it seems like are just little humans, and have pretty much been assimilated into Human culture IMO.
Gnomes are known to go adventuring only on occasion, betwixt stints as turnip salesmen that is. Occasionally the markets get down and the formally self-respecting purveyors of fine veggies are forces to prostitute their abilities in the form of adventuring.
Asside from Jan Jansen of baldurs gate2, as is vaugely mentioned above,there are the tinkergnomes of mount nevermind.... Which is where gnomes get so little love. Many people think gnome then think technophile with spring-loaded sprocket spitters. Oddly enough, I once had a gnome clockwork assassin, everything on him was mechanical based including gear-shaped-shurikens and the steam-powered-hydraulic-crossbow that was basicly a shoulder mounted balista... Yes I would sneak attack with siege weaponry 
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Gnomes are evil bastards! 
Gnomes are evil bastards!
Thats why I love em!!!
Gnomes are evil bastards!
QFT.
sides their women arent as hot as the nude halfling girls.........
QFT!
the old gray box set had a beautiful Gnome illustration in it, but all the races were beautifuly drawn, Im not sure who the artist is but its some great work, I wish I could find some online so I could post em. Might have to just scan em in.
Gnomes are evil bastards!
QFT.
sides their women arent as hot as the nude halfling girls.........
Perv...You must like miget porn, huh?
Gnomes are evil bastards!
QFT.
sides their women arent as hot as the nude halfling girls.........
Perv...You must like miget porn, huh?
actually no
Ok, I was beginning to think that you were sick in the head...
We can get back to the regularly scheduled spam-fests...
I've known only two people who played a gnome, and only one time each. I certainly never had any interest in playing one so I certainly have no interest in reading about them.
I play the pudgy small gnomes, not what they are currently depicted as. Still, they are vile little bastards!
Gnomes are evil bastards!
QFT.
sides their women arent as hot as the nude halfling girls.........
Perv...You must like miget porn, huh?
Whats wrong with miget porn? Little people need big-love too.
Think about it this way, the average male is porn-star sized to a miget woman and average womens breasts are baywatch-class to Miget men.
And, all women are beautiful naked, regardless of race or +2 to Cha.
And, all women are beautiful naked, regardless of race or +2 to Cha.
I disagree with this part here. I would offer up some pics as proof but that would probably get me banned, aside from earning the enmity of every guy here, most of the ladies too probably.
Right Right
Back to Gnomes and how awesome they are
Gnomes are awesome villians
Uhm well sure they could, but i dont think their capacity for villanry is any greater than any other race.
yes but nobody suspects the gnomes....
Years ago (3.5), having just seen Van Helsing with the gamer group, the DM throws something we didnt expect to see next week: We are sent to a village to save them from an undescribable horror. We were all expecting vampires and such attacking the people, what we got instead was four gnomish crossbowmen:s31.photobucket.com/albums/c374/abaxa/Va... Lines 2,5,8,12
Each armed with A repeater crossbow from Van-helsing on dogback and shooting up the place before riding off. We all sat at the table stunned for 1 round as they went past emptying their drums, truly an indescribable horror. When we finaly beat them and tried to use the supercool crossbows, the DM explained that each requires exotic weapon proficency AND the ability to cast illusion spells (the best way for the DM to expresss how they were able to unload so many arrows without trouble)... for most of us that ment two feats sunk in for one weapon... Pass and sold for gold.
It truly is a shame indeed that Gnomes are hardly featured in the Realms. Especially with Trickster gods like Garl Glittergold and Baravar Cloakshadow. I would read any book with a Rogue/Cleric of Baravar Cloakshadow!!!
I made them the enemies of the great empire that ruled most of the continent, conquered a few centuries before the game started... and they wanted revenge and freedom.
Too bad they went crazy and built mechanical repeating crossbows, zepplins, fire-ball based "bombs" and so on and allied themselves with a evil druid named Marcos the Black who was using their revolt as a distraction from his attempts to summon the forces of Chaos and Elemental Earth to reforge the world in his name. Good times had by all -- especially since units of illusionists would help Marcos accomplish his goals.
I happen to like the various gnome archetypes -- but my picture would give it away......
And, all women are beautiful naked, regardless of race or +2 to Cha.
Speaking as a former college sorority girl, and a girls' softball player prior to that, this is definitely NOT true. And don't get me started on the unfortunate number of heifers in dorms.
There's a great deal of time, effort, money, and hours that go into looking good naked (heck, just to look good in clothes!), and not all women are up to the task.
And sadly, most people's opinions of what actually constitutes that is sorely lacking... unless of course you're into concentration camp chic.
I happen to like the various gnome archetypes -- but my picture would give it away......
Im more intrigued by your user name. Back in high school the people i hung out with decided i needed a nickname, unfortunately all the cool nicknames like snake and spider were already taken so I got stuck with Aardvark, which was shortened to just Vark after awhile. I am not a ghost however.
what about gothic gnomes???
Those are the Ravenloft Gnomes.
See, I just don't see gnomes as truly Goth... Steampunk, now that I can get into for them.
Yes thats how ive always seen the Gnomes, especially the ones from Lantan.
Speaking as a former college sorority girl, and a girls' softball player prior to that, this is definitely NOT true. And don't get me started on the unfortunate number of heifers in dorms.
There's a great deal of time, effort, money, and hours that go into looking good naked (heck, just to look good in clothes!), and not all women are up to the task.
Is that why you went to so much time, effort, and money to use Callisto as your avatar and not your hot self?
To the OP, not sure if you were aware, but in DragonLance, Kender replaced Gnome's as the "curious" race and, therefore, that is why there is no mention of them (except as the Tinkers).
"Let me at' em, let me at' em. I'll splat them"!
Do you remember the first times rolling the dice? Hitting the one--or the 20, depending on your edition--is the ****.
Let me at 'em!! ;(
Gotta love gnomes.
One of our group has just started playing a gnome assassin. It is quite the extraordinary experience. Although, we have only had one session. He spent most of his time on his back in the middle of a swamp trying to free himself from the cloying clutches of the marsh, and only managed to assassinate a zombie.... before strongly considering murdering the mayor of the town we were trying to investigate and save.
Gotta love gnomes.
Unfortunately, evil gnomes seem to be the only ones that get any spotlight. The last gnome I remember reading about was R.A's in the Hunters Blade Trilogy.
Yeah, like I need the headache of using my own image on a public board.
It's a hit or miss thing. Unfortunately, the people who think its a hit or the ones missing something.
Unfortunately, evil gnomes seem to be the only ones that get any spotlight. The last gnome I remember reading about was R.A's in the Hunters Blade Trilogy.
Well this gnome started out evil (I have no idea if he is going to stay that way) because the player in our group playing him was sick to death of playing a "nice guy" while we dragged our (continuously) bleeding carcasses through the Keep on the Shadowfell.
I do tend to prefer gnomes that are neither the crazy tinkerer kind or the evil stabby kind. Still, I have an abiding interest in how communities of hin and gnomes integrate themselves with the larger (and often more numerous races).
ahh the Old Gray Box Set, gotta love it!
Why do Gnomes get no love(from me)?
There was Boddyknock Glinckle (or however that went) in NWN1 too, that psychotic sorcerer who kept nuking civilians on me whenever I used him...
There was a gnome in NWN2. I don't remember his name, but he was a bard. I unlocked him a few weeks before my hard drive got wiped, I never really took him into battle or anything. Which leads me to think,
Why do Gnomes get no love(from me)?
Well, if all gnomes acted like he did, then they deserve no love. Guy was a complete tool.
Reading up on the Battle of Bones, and i came across this little tidbit on the Goblinoid army, to further illustrate how Gnomes have never gotten any love.
"The goal of this offensive assemblage of viciousness was to capture the lands north and west of the Great Desert Anauroch. Overrun the North. was their guttural chant in goblin. (To ensure the proper enthusiasm in the expendable kobold shock troops, this was translated into kobold as Overrun the Gnomes..)"
Grobnar Gnomehands.
There was Boddyknock Glinckle (or however that went) in NWN1 too, that psychotic sorcerer who kept nuking civilians on me whenever I used him...
because you like others may just find them annoying
boddyknock was an arse and gnomehands was annoying, useful but annoying
but yeah halfling death gets old....
and she does die to much, I kept each of them long enough to do each of their side quests in each chapter...
the gnome sorcerer... is actually pretty good for arcane punch
Personnally i think people don´t like Gnomes because we all have that childish misconcept of them , from the stories told in cartoons.
And then there´s always the case of particular grudges , like my group , who doesn´t seem to trust our new player , a Gnome , because it reminds them of an NPC who betrayed them ( and the fact that the miniature is the same one doesn´t help , LOL)
I mean, I literally laughed my ass off when I was offered to play a gnome "fighter".
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****in' gnomes. Go tinker with **** that needs improving--don't try and invent ****.
Other D&D Gnomes are pathetic comic relief.
And LM might get a little upset you called him a twit! of course I havnt seen too much of him latly, but he might come out of hiding just to blast you!
Plus the fact that we with the exception of you Silver are NOT impressed with his username, drove him into hiding yet again.
Eberron Gnomes ARE FR Gnomes! Where do you think Eberron got its high tech level from? Time Traveling Lantanese Gnomes of course!
I would argue with that statement. As far as I am aware, Lantan and it's gnomes didn't even come about until DragonLance set a premise for it by making all gnomes tinkers. Therefore, FR gnomes from Lantan are based off DL gnomes and Eberron gnomes are based off both the former.
But yeah good point there, i forgot about the DL tinkerers, although i think the Lantan Gnomes had a little more success with their inventions, than their cousins on Mt. Nevermind, not that im playing favorites or anything!
1: They have no soul.
2: Seriously, they dont have a soul.
3: They have eyes like sharks!!!
Three simple reasons:
1: They have no soul.
2: Seriously, they dont have a soul.
3: They have eyes like sharks!!!
1: They do so!
2: Seriously, they do! (unless its a juju zombie Gnome, gotta watch out for those!)
3: Ok so they do have eyes like sharks, but sharks are cool!
I'm doin a shout out to all my gnomies!
*fist bump!*
I'm doin a shout out to all my gnomies!
*fist bump!*
*Pop it and lock it!*
I've been reading alot of Fantasy novels lately and I came to a sudden conclusion.They are one of the featured races in D+D. Why do gnomes get no love ???
Probably it's like that movie Willow. Even though Willow was the "star" they had to have someone that the audience could identify with, so we got Madmartigan. Even then it's not a movie people really remember as standing out.
Gnomes and hobbits, they're short. Nothing wrong with that, but kids usually want to identify with characters that are literally larger than life. Girls play dress-up in mom's clothes, Boys play adventurer or fireman.
Never played one, so they must suck. I mean after all I didn't want one of my munchkin uber characters to be a Gnome, they must suck.
Gnomz blowz!
Never played one, so they must suck. I mean after all I did want one of my munchkin uber characters to be a Gnome, they must suck.
Troll uses trolling attack....!Its not very effective...
He's just special...
3000 posts mean nothing.
With all the Gnomz Luvz going on I just felt obligated to be the disenting voice.
:YUCK: Gnomz Luvz Festz!!!111!!11!1!!!111
18D is not a troll.
He's just special...
Damn Skippy!
sides he is in the 3000+ post club
I really wish we could get over this # of posts crap. It completely detracts from those that truly contribute to this place. When I first returned, I initially took the number of posts as a gauge as to how long someone had been around. I've quickly learned that it is simply a method to make oneself feel important--and one will post anything simple to make that number rise.
Damn Skippy!
Keep saying "Skippy" and I'll just picture you with peanut butter slathered all over your balls, with a Shitzu ready for a treat. You'll no longer be "special", just perverted.
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Now, shall we get back to the gnomes...?
sides he is in the 3000+ post club
I really wish we could get over this # of posts crap. It completely detracts from those that truly contribute to this place. When I first returned, I initially took the number of posts as a gauge as to how long someone had been around. I've quickly learned that it is simply a method to make oneself feel important--and one will post anything simple to make that number rise.
Damn Skippy!
Keep saying "Skippy" and I'll just picture you with peanut butter slathered all over your balls, with a Shitzu ready for a treat. You'll no longer be "special", just perverted.
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Now, shall we get back to the gnomes...?
Indeed. Those little gnomes make the best illusionists I've ever seen. The only other race close to match their mischievousness are either pixies, mephits or fairies. Also playing a illusionist gnome gives you a great deal amount of power in that you can solve problems in more interesting ways. Instead of diplomacy, instead of combat or intimidate and instead of even bluff you can change characters surroundings to have them make a active decision that benifits you. And those little gnomey guys have all that in the bag are running out to the get away wagon.
Here's a good quote from Buddy "Aces" Israel from Smokin Aces that puts a good take on illusion.
Buddy 'Aces' Israel: What do you see right now? You see exactly, and only what I choose to show you. That is illusion Ivy, that is the lie that I tell your eyes, makin' the magic happen, in the moment, in that split second... but seeing behind this motherfck'er and knowing... that it's all bullshit.
It was a 3.5 campaign, so Gnomes were still in the closet so to speak.
Indeed. Those little gnomes make the best illusionists I've ever seen. The only other race close to match their mischievousness are either pixies, mephits or fairies. Also playing a illusionist gnome gives you a great deal amount of power in that you can solve problems in more interesting ways. Instead of diplomacy, instead of combat or intimidate and instead of even bluff you can change characters surroundings to have them make a active decision that benifits you....
I agree. Which is why I have always pictured them more as fey, rather than such a prominent race in the Realms. Though, I would still like them to be a playable race.
And, I also agree with Stig. That Buddy "Aces" quote went way weird on me. Felt like I need to be chewing some cow fungi to grasp that.
Shirley its not that werid! I havnt even begun talking about my Gnome character from a Highlander style campaign a friend of mine ran awhile back...
It was a 3.5 campaign, so Gnomes were still in the closet so to speak.
Surely, it was. And stop calling people Shirley--it's offensive and I WILL report you.
This thread is hopeless.
Also, gnomes are awesome and will frak you up.
But, yes, long live the gnomes.
so id offer up a prayer before rolling the die, oddly enough my rolls were even worse once i started doin that! I just might give Bejebus a try.All is lost. The only salvation is Corellon. Accept him into your heart and you shall be saved.
yeah yeah whatever, Torm bless you.
May Bahamut protect you.
May Ilmater guide you.
and May Siamoprhe show you the way....
I was actually worshiping Nai for a time, hes the Elven god of dice you know, and it just so happens that i have a set of Elven dice so id offer up a prayer before rolling the die, oddly enough my rolls were even worse once i started doin that! I just might give Bejebus a try.
Well, what do you want me to do with such dully coloured dice? No self-respecting elf would use dice that plain. Get the clear ones with the blue and red text and I'll see what I can do.
Who would give the Gnomz luvz?
Well, what do you want me to do with such dully coloured dice? No self-respecting elf would use dice that plain. Get the clear ones with the blue and red text and I'll see what I can do.
Yeah the clear ones with the red and blue text are sharp, I would of got them but i didnt see those until after i got the white ones, my wife will kill me if i get more dice, so i guess im stuck with the white ones.
Yeah, there are distinct advantages to having a lover who's both male and female. I highly recommend it.
Ewwwwww!!! Im gonna pass on that one!
Well, I'll see what I can do with what you have. I'll do my best, but with such ugly dice I can't promise much.
And suit yourself. Corellon's a little out of your league anyway.
Something about banning me and having an obligation to file counter-complaints and such. Silly stuff like that.
