Zzar prodution question

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#1

dave_the_DM

Apr 03, 2008 12:24:44
Does anyone know whether the Almond liquor is added to the wine before during or after the wine fermentation process.

Thanks!
#2

old_sage

Apr 03, 2008 20:29:17
The process by which Zzar is made was partly noted under the 'House of Good Spirits' entry in Volo's Guide to Waterdeep:- [pg. 152] "(Zzar is made from sluth* by fortifying it with almond liqueur.)"

* "Sluth is dry, sparkling white wine." [pg. 152]
#3

dave_the_DM

Apr 03, 2008 22:02:54
Yes, got that. I'm wanting to actually make some for my game sunday... I was trying to get an idea on a recipe:D
#4

lord_karsus

Apr 03, 2008 22:55:01
Yes, got that. I'm wanting to actually make some for my game sunday... I was trying to get an idea on a recipe:D

-Now, that's hardcore. ;)
#5

daenaan

Apr 03, 2008 23:07:53
Yes, got that. I'm wanting to actually make some for my game sunday... I was trying to get an idea on a recipe:D

Sounds like a fun idea!
#6

markustay63

Apr 04, 2008 1:38:13
Being a homebrewer myself, I would say use a Riesling (probably closest to Sluth) and add a little of the Almond Liquer to taste. If you add the liquer during the fermentation process, you might alter the wine quite a bit, and lose the flavor of your liquer.

Its just like making a Black and Tan, only using wines. ;)
#7

old_sage

Apr 04, 2008 2:09:09
Yes, got that. I'm wanting to actually make some for my game sunday... I was trying to get an idea on a recipe:D

You could try pinging either Elaine or Ed for info in their respective scrolls over at Candlekeep.

Alternatively, maybe George Krashos can lend you some of his wisdom... as I've heard he has some interest in wine. :P
#8

dave_the_DM

Apr 04, 2008 7:04:54
Being a homebrewer myself, I would say use a Riesling (probably closest to Sluth) and add a little of the Almond Liquer to taste. If you add the liquer during the fermentation process, you might alter the wine quite a bit, and lose the flavor of your liquer.

Its just like making a Black and Tan, only using wines. ;)

I was thinking a Pinot Noir as its not to dry and semi sweet. I thought it might mix nicely with the Almond Liqueur.
#9

daenaan

Apr 04, 2008 8:20:08
I was thinking a Pinot Noir as its not to dry and semi sweet. I thought it might mix nicely with the Almond Liqueur.

Pinot Noir is a red... might not mix as well with the almond liqueur. Using a white wine might give better results for taste. Just a thought.
#10

dave_the_DM

Apr 04, 2008 10:18:18
Pinot Noir is a red... might not mix as well with the almond liqueur. Using a white wine might give better results for taste. Just a thought.

Ack, what was I thinking?
#11

daenaan

Apr 04, 2008 10:36:30
Ack, what was I thinking?

Probably you prefer dry / not sweet, generally? Or maybe you've tried a Pinot Gris? Pinot Gris tends to taste... "heavy" (or "earthy", maybe?) for lack of a better term, but is still a nice dry white. For white wines in the realm, I think someone suggested a Riesling (which are great, but tend to be sweeter if they're Californian vs. German). You could also try out a regular Chardonnay, which goes with pretty much anything and is dry / not very sweet IMO. Sauvignon Blancs are also dry whites, although they tend toward a fruity-citrusy flavor.

Gewurtztraminers are what I love, but they're the sweeter of the whites. And super sweets are the Muscats, like a hearty Muscat Canelli dessert wine. Yummy, but super duper sweet.
#12

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Apr 04, 2008 12:09:19
-Now, that's hardcore. ;)

Indeed! I would love it if a DM did something like that.
#13

scathlock

Apr 04, 2008 12:43:52
The process by which Zzar is made was partly noted under the 'House of Good Spirits' entry in Volo's Guide to Waterdeep:- [pg. 152] "(Zzar is made from sluth* by fortifying it with almond liqueur.)"

* "Sluth is dry, sparkling white wine." [pg. 152]

Hmm, perhaps you shouldn't take Riesling or Pinot Gris, but something like, Sekt, Cava or Champagne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkling_wine

Champagne mixed with Amaretto. Wow. I get a hangover headache by just imagining that!
#14

dave_the_DM

Apr 04, 2008 14:23:46
Hmm, perhaps you shouldn't take Riesling or Pinot Gris, but something like, Sekt, Cava or Champagne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparkling_wine

Champagne mixed with Amaretto. Wow. I get a hangover headache by just imagining that!

A good friend of mine suggests a Tosti, Brut, dry. Need a good, dry brut champagne. Sounds like I'm getting close.:D
#15

daenaan

Apr 04, 2008 14:59:03
A good friend of mine suggests a Tosti, Brut, dry. Need a good, dry brut champagne. Sounds like I'm getting close.:D

Oh... whoops! Sorry I didn't read the post saying it needed to be a sparkling wine. Yeah, look for "Yellow Tail" label (fairly inexpensive) or Magura's Brut, or Moet & Chandon's "white star"could work. Some of the Tostis can be quite sweet (though there are also dry Tostis).

Man, this concoction sounds tastier and tastier!
#16

markustay63

Apr 04, 2008 15:33:56
Yeah, I missed the 'Sparkling' part myself. :embarrass

I was going for the extra crisp, dry part.

Anyhow, A nice Monet with some Orange ju… errrr I mean Ameretto… for breakfast… Mmmmmm…

With some Rum-raisen Bread with Honey Butter… I think I'm going to make me an FR breakfast soon. :D
#17

dave_the_DM

Apr 04, 2008 16:31:26
Oh... whoops! Sorry I didn't read the post saying it needed to be a sparkling wine. Yeah, look for "Yellow Tail" label (fairly inexpensive) or Magura's Brut, or Moet & Chandon's "white star"could work. Some of the Tostis can be quite sweet (though there are also dry Tostis).

Man, this concoction sounds tastier and tastier!

Yeah, I know. Don't worry, I'll post the results once I put it together. :D

Thanks for all the help guys and gals!
#18

lord_karsus

Apr 05, 2008 23:38:17
Indeed! I would love it if a DM did something like that.

-Hmm...Mike's hardcore, you'd say?
#19

rinonalyrna_fathomlin

Apr 07, 2008 12:45:41
-Hmm...Mike's hardcore, you'd say?

Yeah, he is. It'd be great if he did something like this one time. *wink wink*
#20

lord_karsus

Apr 07, 2008 13:40:48
-Yeah, yeah, sure.
#21

capnvan

Apr 10, 2008 2:01:31
Pinot Noir is a red... might not mix as well with the almond liqueur. Using a white wine might give better results for taste. Just a thought.

Traditionally, champagne is made with three grapes: chardonnay, pinot noir, and pinot meunier. So, you weren't as far off as you might have thought, in retrospect. And it's possible to make a white wine from a black (or red) grape: blanc de noir, while not as common as blanc de blanc, is a legitimate type of champagne.

I would suggest that if you're going to use an almond liqueur and champagne, keep the proportions light, at least to start: along the lines of 1/2 oz. of amaretto to 6-8 oz. of champagne. I haven't experimented, myself, but that was a typical proportion when I had to make cheap-***** bellinis on the fly without peach nectar. Better to start light than go overboard and be slurping something syrupy. It may be the taste in the Realms, but here, eh, not so much.

Unless you're 19. In which case...
#22

daenaan

Apr 10, 2008 2:32:13
...I haven't experimented, myself, but that was a typical proportion when I had to make cheap-***** bellinis on the fly without peach nectar. Better to start light than go overboard and be slurping something syrupy. It may be the taste in the Realms, but here, eh, not so much.

Unless you're 19. In which case...

If you didn't have peach puree for the bellini... what did they have you use? Surely not peach schnapps? heehee!
#23

capnvan

Apr 10, 2008 2:54:35
Sadly, yes. It's astonishing what people will pay for...
#24

daenaan

Apr 10, 2008 3:51:48
Sadly, yes. It's astonishing what people will pay for...

Heh! :D